Don't impeach until you have the votes? Is that in the constitution?

[shockey80]

Jefferson and Adams are rolling over in their graves. I am so happy the founding fathers didn't say this, Don't fight the revolution until we know we can win.

Waiting to start impeachment hearings against Trump is dereliction of duty. Trump has committed so many high crimes and misdemeanors people have lost count. The Democrats in the house should have started impeachment hearings immediately. Make the case to the American voters. Force the Republicans to vote. If they refuse to convict that's their fucking problem. If the majority of the American people don't think Trump should be impeached after the House makes their case , that's their problem. Then the American people deserve Trump.

With every passing day Trumps crimes become normalized. He is a traitor. He lied to the American people about an attack on American. He has lied to the America people thousands of times. He has obstructed justice hundreds of times. He is subject too blackmail. He is a major national security risk. The house has a job to do in order to uphold the constitution and the rule of law. Waiting is not part of that job.

If Jefferson and Adams were alive today do you really believe they would be saying, let's wait till we have enough votes to start impeachment hearings or let's wait for the Mueller report? No fucking way.

[Generic Brad]

1. If you don't have the senate votes, it's all for naught

Patience. Death by a thousand cuts. He may be toxic to us, but his loyalists are not there yet. I want a strike out - not a swing and a miss.

[Firestorm49]

9. Agreed

[Tribalceltic]

12. I disagree

Impeachment would bring many hidden items out, and put them together, if the Senate does not convict, at least some damage will be done.

On the Matter of Pence being as bad or worse, he does not have the political power to do much on his own.

[Chin music]

18. +1

[theophilus]

27. Horrible idea. Many of those "hidden items" would be guns brandished by RWs as they

stormed the networks that try to broadcast even a modicum of truth. I think the backlash from the 30 percent would make any "statement" made by the Dems in the House not worth it. Time will tell. We are on dangerous ground in many ways.

[uponit7771]

29. They would do that without impeachment, they'll make up a reason like PizzaGate. They're not the

... smartest people in the first place.

[J_William_Ryan]

31. And

among that damage getting Trump reelected.

[beachbum bob]

13. totally disagree. Force McConnel and his fellow gop senators to DEFEND criminal actions by trump...

we do not need a conviction but we do need the public spectacle of GOP refusing to stand up for rule of law and the constitution. THAT CAN BE THE ELECTION ISSUE FOR 2020 and 2022

[Chin music]

19. +1

[uponit7771]

28. This is false on its face, force them to take a position then call them on it during elections

[spanone]

2. K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[Renew Deal]

3. Don't impeach until you have the report

Then impeach when you have the facts

[Chin music]

20. They have Muellers findings already i thought....

Every day they wait is another fracture in American civility. Plus it begins the END of the"no collusion" mantra.

[Renew Deal]

33. They do?

You have a source for that?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

40. Mueller's investigation could take another 5 years

The conspiracies he is unravelling are a huge ball of shit. It could take years to investigate them all.

The world can't wait.

[marylandblue]

4. I think they would do what they we are doing. They were politicians

and they weren't stupid. They knew you have to build your case. We are investigating. It doesn't matter if you call these investigations impeachment hearings or not. As of yet, we lack the confirmed facts for a case. We have a lot of unconfirmed and highly suggestive facts. But that's not enough. But we can't even get the most important testimony in open hearings yet.

[malaise]

5. Get thee to the greatest page

NOW!

[Fullduplexxx]

6. Neither is the law of unintended consequences or blowback

[Jake Stern]

7. Don't want half assed impeachment

If the House impeaches and the Senate acquits - Trump is exonerated. The media will proclaim his innocence and he and his supporters will be rubbing his "vindication" in our faces for years to come.

This is a one shot deal so we need all the evidence we can gather to make sure it sticks.

[samnsara]

8. we...have...one...chance....

[DinahMoeHum]

10. If you aim for the king, you better not miss. . .

. . .just sayin'. . .

[dalton99a]

11. Don't bring up a bill unless it's pre-approved by the president

- the Constitution according to Mitch McConnell

[brooklynite]

14. You what else isn't in the constitution? Losing elections.

If Donald Trump is impeached and not convicted, he will claim that he was exonerated, and his prospects for re-election will shoot up (see: Clinton impeachment). Add to that, voter will complain that once again, their kitchen table issues were being ignored while the Democrats wasted time on a pointless impeach spectacle.

[Poiuyt]

15. I seem to recall the Democrats losing the White House after the Clinton impeachment

I don't think the Clinton impeachment was as devastating for the republicans as is generally perceived.

[marylandblue]

16. It didn't hurt Clinton, and Gore made a mistake by running away from Clinton

and picking Clinton critic Leiberman as his VP.

[Chin music]

22. SO true. I was horrified by that.

[Buckeyeblue]

39. Correct. If Gore had sent out Clinton to campaign for him, I think he would have won.

He would have gotten the best of Bill Clinton, because a Gore win would have been a plus for Clinton's legacy. But when he turned his back on Bill, Bill lost interest. Who can blame him.

[shockey80]

17. Correct.

If the Democrats wait there will be no impeachment hearings at all. The closer we get to the election the less likely there'll be impeachment hearings. There is already a mountain of proof. Start the impeachment hearings now and then the American people can decide their own fate.

Not impeaching Trump will normalize everything he has done. That would be the end of our democracy.

[Chin music]

23. Yes. Then they switch to the 'This is all political" meme.

Get it started...it can last as long as they want.

[Chin music]

21. +1

[brooklynite]

38. Check out the 1998 Election and what happened to Newt Gingrich.

[Doremus]

24. Dominionist President Pence. I'll stick with the devil I know, thanks. nt

[shockey80]

25. Do not fall victim to fear.

[Vinca]

26. If he is impeached without Republican votes to actually get the job done, this will backfire "bigly"

on Democrats. Trump's entire campaign will be based on his victimhood. He wallows in victimhood. A failed impeachment is the biggest gift we could give him. Better to beat him in 2020 (if there aren't enough GOP votes for impeachment) and make the new Democratic POTUS promise not to pardon him. I want his orange ass in jail. If Republicans put country over party, Trump would already be gone.

[madville]

30. We all know Trump is going to pardon everyone except Cohen after the election

Win or lose. Just my theory but I believe Trump will pardon Pence and then resign a week before leaving. Pence will then pardon him for basically every federal law on the books.

[Enoki33]

32. May be way off base here - but l suspect we may not even need a

impeachment trial. Why give tRump’s racist supporters a premature reason to make him into some kind of deplorable martyr? Better to continue and slowly intensify the five House investigations while educating with public hearings. Let the people do the impeachment at the polls, and the justice system the actual trials thereafter. This might be the smart political approach.The problem with this plan is it all depends on protecting the integrity of our voting systems.

[Nevermypresident]

34. At this juncture, I agree, whether there are enough votes in the Senate or not. As we get

closer and closer to 2020 debates and the actual "campaign season", it will be too late. If the House majority are not going to bring forth articles of impeachment and the resulting mpeachment investigation, they sure as hell won't do it then.

Whatever strategy our Democratic leadership is employing now regarding impeachment proceedings in the House, they are guessing too, unless they know when the Mueller/Barr report is going to be provided to Congress. There's not a guarantee Congress wont get a watered down version from Barr. Then the time consuming legal "fighting" will begin, and take more time.

IMO, we are running out of time. Bottom line, I fear asshole being re-elected again more than I fear any repercussions from a unsuccessful impeachment vote in the Senate. Remember, when the House does an impeachment investigation, open hearings with all these witnesses is typical. Get all the abuse of power/crimes/obstruction out to the public so hopefully even if impeachment fails (because of unpatriotic Senate rethugs), he will lose in 2020.

[LongtimeAZDem]

35. It's not in the Constitution, it's common sense. If we impeach and fail to remove, Trump wins

[shockey80]

37. I do not agree.

[CatWoman]

41. may I ask why

your proposal seems pretty reckless and not well thought out (to me, anyway).

[lame54]

36. It's a simple math problem...

We only get one shot at this
Losing is not an option
It will only empower Trump