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(42,759 posts)This is ridiculous.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)tblue37
(65,403 posts)malaise
(269,048 posts)or else
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)and are brilliant, but a lot of the populace is basically willfully stupid, naive and easily led. Certainly not all, but many. I have an awful lot of WTF's each day.
malaise
(269,048 posts)That's true of most populations
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I was pleasantly shocked they would be that enlightened here in my part of Texas.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)judge would issue a warrant for this?
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)Doctors and nurses routinely ask patients about any drug use, as it can help them in their diagnosis and treatment of the patient. I can't imagine anyone working in a hospital reporting it.
The whole thing is unbelievable. What a waste of taxpayer dollars. If this was a top priority, then that police department is overstaffed.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)One cop said that someone reported the smell of marijuana coming from the room. Could have been a visitor or another patient.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)And, if they were vaping, that also does not smell like weed. It is one little puff that faintly smells of bail, bubblegum, lemon, whatever the flavoring is you choose. Mine smells/tastes like Girl Scout lemon cookies.
You cannot smoke anything in a hospital, there are smoke detectors all over, and any whiff of any type of smoke will be discovered ASAP. That person is a liar.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)That's what it sounds like to me. Maybe someone overheard him talking about using marijuana and then claimed to have smelled it. Then you have to ask yourself, what kind of a person would do that?
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)RWNJ wannabe goody two shoes.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)onethatcares
(16,172 posts)to search anyone/any place.
Cop says, "I smell marijuana" even though it could be a patchouli sachet or some other spice.
Pretty ambiguous imho.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)I'm sure whoever said "I smell marijuana" was lying and I'll bet those police would have rather been somewhere else. I am assuming they were just following orders. Its a good thing they sent three cops, as it looked like a really dangerous situation.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Cops usually don't like being recorded.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)And being recorded would make them more subdued, though I can't imagine them getting too aggressive in a hospital setting.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)The family could sue the place.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)because it discourages people from being honest with their doctors about what they are taking if anything they are taking is illegal. It is critical that doctors know anything you have taken that might interact with anything they might prescribe.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)If the hospital reported to the cops that the patient is using thc to treat his illness - yes it would be a Hippa violation.
But we all know it was reported as "smelling marijuana" which isn't HIPPA protected. Neither is "he said he has marijuna" or "I heard him say it he has it"
Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Ask 20 people their opinion on HIPPA and you'll get 21 answers. You would be amazed at how much misunderstanding of HIPAA exists.
I've found that doctors and nurses are usually way off since they specialize in healthcare, NOT information security and what they know about HIPPA they learned in a half day seminar.
While I don't specialize in HIPPA per se, it's a big part of my information security practice mostly because I have alot of hospital as clients.
The patient probably has a pretty good civil case, but wouldn't based on HIPPA as HIPPA doesn't provide for violated patient to collect on the HIPPA violation claim. (Any fine is paid to the government, NOT the patient and almost all cases are resolved by guidance not monetary penalty)
(Just for the record I believe weed should be legal EVERYWHERE btw, just in case you thought I was defending the cops here)
Here's a pretty good article on HIPPA if you are interested in learning more
https://www.hipaajournal.com/sue-for-hipaa-violation/
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)The hospital is legally entitled to give permission.
It doesn't have the protections of a home, apartment, even a car.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)about when authority discards common decency. Police have leeway
Canoe52
(2,948 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Clean Missouri act which ends gerrymandering, and defeated right-to-work (again).
Canoe52
(2,948 posts)But Im from rural Illinois, and a family member is a reich wing repug now over in your state, so my opinion comes from a pretty jaded view of the heartland. But glad things are starting to change there.
Say hi to my brother it you see him, Hes easy to spot, hell be the one wearing a red maga hat.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)enough liberals around here to keep each other sane.
RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)If you have stage 4 cancer, in the hospital ... you might as freaking well take the good stuff they're freely giving you. I don't care WHAT you tell me, THC is nowhere near the painkiller for serious pain that strong opioids are, it just isn't. It may help with mild to medium pain (for some), but this is stage 4 cancer. It's admirable to try to tough it out with sub-par pain relief, but ... man, I really don't see the value.
If you can beat the Stage IV, you can quit the opioids later, should you develop physical addiction, I'd betcha. You're friggin' tough, you can do it!
AGAIN, it should be his choice, and TOTALLY RIDICULOUS of the cops. But it's also a bad choice by the Patient IMHO. And it's especially bad idea to TELL the docs at hospital if you live in a state where medicinal is still illegal. They likely are REQUIRED legally to report this to the cops (or at minimum by the conglomerate that owns the hospital).
Seedersandleechers
(3,044 posts)medical MJ was passed in Mo in November and is soon to take effect. They are in a Boliver, Mo.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)That's what I'd do ... or if you really don't need the pain killers, you CAN refuse to take them, I'm quite sure of that. You don't have to tell the doc you have a substitute.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)I use CBD with .03 THC during a migraine....works much better than any big pharmacy drug.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)But yeah, FOR SURE. It's awesome for both those things, plus appetite enhancement.
Every cancer patient should be allowed THC, ABSOLUTELY 1000%!!!
And I guess if it's enough for the pain, too, more power to 'em.
Personally if I had Stage IV cancer, I'd be taking both ... cause to ME, THC is a shit painkiller. I've tried it, believe me ... more than once. It's okay for mild pain, but I cannot possibly imagine it would cover stage IV cancer pain adequately.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Minor aches and pains it helps possibly because it's a relaxant as well, but can't imagine it would make a dent in any chronic 10 (on the pain scale) pain....
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Pain killers can have brutal side effects. If there is a way to go more natural rather than toxic, I am all in.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Oh, and I suppose you could always OD and die, but presumably the docs know how to handle that ... in a hospital.
And there's nothing 'toxic' about opioids (not the kind they're going to give you in hospital, anyway). Where did you hear they're 'toxic'?
They're also natural, btw ... you have heard of opium poppies, right?
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Opium poppies are different than the chemicals created in a lab. I have just seen too many people suffer from opioids. They can be brutal. I wouldn't touch fentanyl or oxycodone. The sedation and nausea can be overwhelming. Not everyone tolerates it the same even in a prescription dose. But it is always an individual decision.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)of the plant Same with Codeine.
It's true that some opioids including morphine (interestingly, since it's the MOST natural) and meperidine (a pure synthetic known as Demerol) are considered unsafe for long term use, due to build up in the body of unhealthy metabolites, but that's over the course of years.
And propoxyphene (pure synthetic branded as Darvon/Darvocet) is now banned period due to possibility of heart rhythm issues.
The rest of 'em though ... including Codeine, Hydro/Oxycodone, Fentanyl, Dilaudid (hydromorphone), Opana (oxymorphone) are considered safe to take indefinitely (last I read), and exhibit no known toxicity to the organs of the body, including the brain.
Most drugs when you first start taking them, including THC, Nicotine and Alcohol ... can produce nausea and sedation (or the opposite of sedation). Opioids are actually one of the best-tolerated drugs there are. You may not 'feel well' at first, but most people's bodies adjust pretty quickly. Reason being, they are, at their heart, artificial endorphins. They work the same as your bodies own pain-relieving mechanism. You know how people and animals, when they're extremely stressed (i.e. fight or flight), don't feel pain the same way? Opioids mimic that, using the exact same pathways.
And that's why they're a BITCH to quit. Because your body STOPS MAKING endorphins, while at the same time, overproducing adrenaline ... it does so in order to offset the sedative effect of the introduced exogenous endorphins and keep you awake, basically ...
So when you quit, you feel incredibly wired and panicky, due to excess adrenaline, with at the same time, pain emanating from EVERYWHERE, because you have no natural painkillers, cause your body has stopped producing them on it's own ... there was no need, you see ... it has nothing to do with any 'toxins', however. It's just completely predictable, and very NATURAL ... human biology.
This all being said, the case at hand here is Stage IV cancer patient ... I would 100% and ENTIRELY recommend using THC if possible over opioids to deal with pain. It's CLEARLY safer, and much, much, MUCH less addictive. But if you're already dyin' ... I'm just sayin' ... you might as well use the stuff that actually works, for real, IMHO.
In terms of 'it's going to kill you', at a biological level, opioids are only *slightly* more harmful than THC ... but that's assuming you don't OD, or get so addicted you end up offing yourself due to the suffering that opioid addiction brings ... which is not present with THC, obviously.
But IT STILL SHOULD BE UP TO THE PATIENT 100%!!!
robbob
(3,531 posts)Long term use can cause permanent liver damage. So yeah, toxic.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)I take one medication for epilepsy. And I used to have my liver checked regularly for this very reason. I think too often big pharma tries to minimize the long term effects.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)You're 100% correct to distrust big pharma, to be clear. YES they would do what you say.
But opioids have been studied in depth since WAY before the days of 'big pharma', and it's been done WORLD WIDE. Looking at them is not at all like looking at some brand-new patented Epilepsy med that's only been studied by hand-picked 'researchers' to pass FDA approval.
We know a TREMENDOUS amount about these drugs, and the research goes back many, many decades.
Opioids are, at their heart, natural medications, which work in very, very well understood ways, and work upon very, very ancient neural pathways (in terms of our evolutionary heritage ... hell, BIRDS get hooked on opioids!).
There's nothing very complex about them, or their mechanism ... they are, essentially, endorphins, originally created in the plant kingdom.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Maybe some OTHER drugs ... Rx or otherwise ... such as ... acetaminophen for example can cause liver damage... but opioids aren't known to cause liver damage. Or damage to any other organs for that matter.
A FEW of them, such as Morphine and Demerol are not recommended for long-term use due to build up of unhealthy metabolites, but most of them have zero known toxicity to the organs of the body.
All due respect, you're incorrect, my friend
robbob
(3,531 posts)Point #1: there is a semantic point of clarification needed, in both my post and the poster I was originally defending, between prescription painkillers and pure opioids. I dont remember if the original article mentions specifically what pain management protocol the patient was on, but in fact many medications used for pain management do indeed cause liver damage, and,
Point #2: while I am no expert on the effects of opioids, and in fact believe the long term affects are much milder then the anti drug brigade would have you believe, a quick google search of opioids+liver damage produces lots of links that suggest a correlation.
So, when referring to pure opioids, toxic might be too strong a word, but prescription painkillers might in fact include a wide variety of medications that are not good for the liver, and opioids can, in fact, be harmful over the long term.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Nothing I love more than a consensus with my fellow Dems
On edit: I think it's kinda fascinating the level of DU'ers ... uh ... disdain for ZOMG OXYCONTIN ... when in reality, it's a far more 'humane' alternative to the common oxycodone formulation that existed before it, that being Percocet. It's the difference between taking pure Oxycodone (Oxy), which is almost entirely non-toxic ... vs taking a small amount of Oxycodone and a copious amount of liver-destroying Acetaminophen (Percocet) in every pill.
In fact, prior to about 1998, unless you had advanced cancer, as a patient, you were NOT getting an acetaminophen-free version of an opioid. You got either Vicodin (hydrocodone + acetaminophen) or Percocet. Or if you had a decent doc, you could maybe get Percodan, which was Oxy+Aspirin, which is much less toxic. Not HEALTHY by any stretch, but not 'as bad'.
And the unavailability of pure opioids was done PURPOSEFULLY. The DEA literally wanted to make sure you'd poison yourself, destroy your liver ... before you got seriously hooked on opioids, so they insisted they ONLY allow pure opioids to people on the verge of death from cancer or the like.
Needless to say, it didn't work very well (or ... maybe it worked great, not sure), and 10's of 1000's of people ended up wrecking their livers and dying young, because the opioids hooked 'em, then they'd end up taking the equivalent of 30, 40, 90 Extra Strength Tylenols every freaking day to get their 'fix'. Or they moved to heroin, which maybe saved their lives, paradoxically enough.
robbob
(3,531 posts)And thats no bullshit! 😁
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)robbob
(3,531 posts)Even just in formulating my original post I made sure to do SOME research rather then just fire from the hip! I found out a few things: many of the links I read do indeed point out that its less the opioids and more the other drugs they combo it with that cause the liver damage. And also, whatever liver damage caused by long term opioid use is a result of the slowing of the metabolism which is an effect of the drug, rather then any toxicity in the drug itself.
Ive also heard over the years things relating to your points on edit: heroin and pure codeine (naturally derived from plant source) are among the least harmful ways to treat severe pain. Heroin of course has already been demonized beyond any expectation for rehabilitation as a pain relief med, and I believe codeine has suffered a similar fate.
We could have turned the poppy fields of Afghanistan into a major supplier of medical grade opioids, enriching the country and greatly benefitting the local population instead of trying to burn it down. But, as the question always goes when discussing policies that benefit ordinary people, how does doing THAT help enrich the already obscenely wealthy? In this case, big pharma.
One last story Id like to share; something I believe I heard on CBC radio in a story about narcotics and addiction. A decade or so ago, when the UK was still running the addicts treatment program (in which registered addicts would report morning and night for their 12 hour dose of pure opioids) a study was done on the general health of these registered addicts, some of whom had been on the program for 20 years or more, and found that their over all levels of health were much higher then the general population in the same age catagory. Probably in no small part due to the incompatibility of opioids and alcohol, which is actually one of the MOST toxic substances we regularly consume (...and one of the most toxic stressors on the liver!). It is really the lifestyle of the American addict that is detrimental to the health, not the drug itself.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)interesting ... and I try to share what I've learned on DU.
I admit I had 'motives' for researching this particular subject ... the first two being my dad's chronic pain, and my best friend's addiction in the 90's ... and my own need for opioids at a certain point in my life ... but suffice to say I've learned a LOT over many years, looking into the subject.
They are one hell of a double-edged sword, these opiates. I'm REALLY torn on whether it makes more sense to just legalize and try to regulate them, and educate as best we can ... or continue along our current prohibition path. There are GREAT cases to be made for both approaches, put it that way.
One aspect I find REALLY fascinating to ponder is just what a BRILLIANT survival strategy it was for the Opium Poppy to evolve to produce a SUPREMELY addictive drug, that would affect a HUGE swath of the already existing critters (at this point, I know it's at least some birds, and most if not all mammals), directly in tune with their natural biology ... creatures that might spread it's seeds or pollen across the planet. It's almost like something outta science fiction (I can think of a particular old Star Trek TOS episode lol) if you think about it.
I kinda think if man had taken a few more million years to come around, we might've found that there were like DOZENS of species of plants that produced opiates naturally by the time we'd come around. I mean, look how many FRUITS there are? And why are there fruits? Spreading the seed, right?
A plant producing opiates is even more genius if you think about it. Of all the RANDOM shit to occur, you know?!?
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)from those medications. No reason why anyone should be destroying their livers.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Mariana
(14,858 posts)is very toxic indeed.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Like here for example. How exactly are medical grade opioids toxic? They can cause CNS depression in high doses but that is unlikely to occur in a hospital setting. People get addicted but that has nothing to do with drug toxicity.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)All "the good stuff" does is make me violently ill, and barely deadens pain. Vaping MJ works much better for me with intense pain, and it also helps me eat.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)If you literally get 'violently ill' from an appropriate level of opioids, based on your weight and tolerance, then you're 1 of like 1000 people. The % of people who experience untoward side effects from THC is absolutely just as high (intense paranoia being the most common complaint).
A lot of the effect of either drug has a lot to do with 'what your body is adjusted to'.
Put it this way ... had you never ingested EITHER opioids OR THC, and you went to use one or the other for the very first time ... you'd be about equally likely to 'not enjoy the effect of the drug'. But there's literally 10's of 1000's of studies that prove that opioids are an effective pain-killer, and VERY FEW suggesting, scientifically, that THC is.
If you ever desperately need a root canal, or get, say appendicitis ... both of which I have, and both of which I initially tried smoking a bunch of weed to try to combat the pain for ... give it a try, and let me know how well the pot works out for you.
I'd be willing to bet that you'll be freaking BEGGING for something that actually works ... unless you're able to get the needed surgery within 6-8 hours.
Look, I'm a huge MJ advocate, and I totally believe it's legit medicine for many problems, and it DOES HELP with mild to perhaps medium pain. But THC is not a strong painkiller, I'm sorry, but it's not. Being high on weed may DISTRACT you, and help you 'forget how much it hurts' ... but it's really not much of an analgesic. Aspirin is scientifically proven to work far better, put it that way.
marble falls
(57,102 posts)for pain. It allows me to work without pain and I don't use the opiates they give me.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)But you don't have Stage IV cancer, which is the context of the discussion.
Stage IV almost always means you're going to die, pretty soon ... and you're almost certainly in a great deal of constant pain. You're really unlikely to be 'working' anymore.
So, not quite the same ... just sayin'
As an aside, if it was me, I could work like 100 times more easily on opioids than I could on THC. In fact, I have, literally thousands of times, and accomplished a huge amount of work while doing so. And nobody was any the wiser. This was back, early 2000's.
If I went to work on THC, otoh, my eyes would be like radishes in my head, I'd sit around giggling and eating munchies, everyone would KNOW I'm freaking high off my tree ... and I'd accomplish absolutely nothing because I'd forget what I was doing every 20 seconds.
So ... I guess everyone is different
marble falls
(57,102 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Typically someone in the hospital with stage IV cancer is gonna be on a morphine drip.
This person may not be giving himself the extra shots that you're typically allowed for acute pain every hour or whatever ... but still be on some morphine as a underlying pain reliever.
I mean, this is just a tweet, basically, not a science journal or a court docket ... and the 'witness' ... is dying. He may or may not be 100% reliable.
Dude should be able to have both, or just one, or neither ... I'm 100% in agreement.
But given the situation, it really wasn't a good idea to basically tell the doc 'I (or my family) smuggled/are smuggling in illegal (as of this moment) drugs into the hospital'. THAT is what I meant was not all that bright of a move.
It's not like the Docs are going to do anything differently treatment-wise, because you're on THC. It basically has almost no drug interactions ... or if there ARE ... thanks to our brilliant government policy the past 100 years ... we don't know what they are, cause research has been basically friggin' banned.
marble falls
(57,102 posts)to infuse immunotherapy, I have a pretty good grasp of what is and isn't pain and I really don't think I need to have to get to stage four for me to wait for whatever pain treatment a Doctor decides won't violate his preconceived notions of good drugs and bad drugs.
And then we'll talk about my left knee. Broken twice, torn anterior cruciate ligament, torn cartilage from four different incidents in five years.
Not yelling at you, but sometimes what other do for our own good isn't thought out well enough or deep enough.
VA knows from its own studies pot use is tied to lower bladder cancer rates. I believe that study was meant to prove that pot use was actually tied to higher bladder cancer rate like tobacco and second hand tobacco smoke is. I am frank with all my doctors. I tell them all about it if asked. Its got to be in my records. They prescribe narcotics to me. I am almost monthly at Temple and/or Austin and in some of those months weekly and sometimes several times a week. I am a highly monitored individual medically. They know I don't use narcotics, and they certainly can tell if I'm using cannabis or not. No one has ever said anything negative or even very much about it at all.
Those cops were unfreaking necessary. Not yelling at you, yelling at the mook who called in five-0.
walkingman
(7,627 posts)PatSeg
(47,496 posts)It would seem that these days we actually have more police than we need. After seeing a cop call for back up of eight officers because some guy was picking up trash in his yard while black, I'm thinking we could be over policed.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)I watched the video and THREE cops showed up for this BS.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)The bigger question is who is the a**hole that called the police about a person smoking marijuana? I thought the police officers were being very respectful to the patient and his friends and family. Like it or not, the law is the law and if you don't like the law, change it. Meanwhile the police officers must enforce the laws because that is their job.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)would complain about the police not doing their job. The police are in a no win situation; they must always answer complaints. Most police officers hate to investigate this kind of complaint. They actually don't have a choice to pick and choose; all complaints must be investigated.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)hunter
(38,317 posts)Sometimes they ask you to file a report on their web page, or if you can't do that, come down to the station and report the alleged crime in person.
They are severely understaffed and don't commonly respond to things like fender-benders, car break-ins, lesser acts of vandalism and theft, and certainly not cancer patients with a stash of THC capsules in the hospital.
I always think twice before calling the police, even for 911 call situations that our police will reliably respond to, because I've seen them shoot people.
If I do call 911 I always explain the situation as calmly and with as much detail as possible.
Sorry, I don't automatically respect cops or the law. I certainly don't respect the cops in this story.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)That is what they have to do.
RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)No one was smoking anything
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Someone complained about a person smoking marijuana. The police must investigate THAT complaint, even if it turns out to be invalid. Wasting everyone's time and upsetting the falsely accused patient.
RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)My sister has a prescription for Marinol and is treated like garbage in the hospital after the blood tests come back.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)isn't going to be investigated?! Who are you kidding.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Called police to complain, get them out of there, at least three times.
Never showed up, didn't even drive by the place. No follow up. Nothing. We're not out of the way, right by a major road and across the street from the sign naming the part of the city where we're at, so they couldn't have gotten lost.
There is discretion in policing.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)with an incompetent police department. They should have answered your call for help.
spanone
(135,844 posts)CanonRay
(14,104 posts)Lochloosa
(16,065 posts)CanonRay
(14,104 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)"Peace Officers." Cancer is one of THE biggest reasons MJ licenses are dispensed. Sad for that guy.
magicarpet
(14,155 posts).... Kim Jong Un school of barbers and dictators with Fascistic ambitions.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Niagara
(7,627 posts)And no, I'm not defending the officer(s) harassing a cancer patient. However, this haircut is standard military style.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)It's not uncommon for police officers to have been enlisted in the military. They often come from the Marine Corp.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)who was a sargent in Afghanistan
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Jesus effing Christ!
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Such compassion. Another compassionate conservative helping a dying citizen taxpayer.
Big ups to the Dr. She did a pretty good job.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)That was my response on Twitter. I was like where are all the so-called prolifers at.
irisblue
(32,980 posts)Info, from the posted video & website of the video is thin.
chowder66
(9,073 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)"We aren't going to arrest you, just give you a citation"...Just what someone dying needs to deal with so they don't pass w a 'dope' charge.
This is what happens when OTHER people "commit crimes' in full view. Un-real.
What's next..."stop resisting" They said all the standard phrases.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Let's say the patient did have a joint hidden in the room? Anyone want to bet the over/under on whether his sentence would have been more or less than Paul Manafort's?
nolabear
(41,984 posts)Id hope jail wouldnt be involved.
My heart breaks for this guy. The stress alone is terrible for him.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)this could happen ANYPLACE in the country. missourian here.
IADEMO2004
(5,555 posts)Officer's next blood test could show shoe is on the other foot.
Be human man.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)complaint and we have to do this. EMPATHIZE with the person whether they friggin agree or not. Yes I'm sorry we have to do this....whether they feel that or NOT! It goes a long way.
I spend all day long apologizing for things I had nothing to do with and people like it and it makes them feel like you give a shit.
It's not that hard to do in any contact with any kind of 'customers' you say sorry when they feel they are being mistreated. FUCK!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)There was a time, they'd lock the poor dying patient up. Hope they didn't find anything, or if they did just ignored it.
Dying people should get a pass on just about everything.
calimary
(81,304 posts)Shaking down a cancer patient - in the patient s HOSPITAL ROOM!?!?!?!????
What an outrage!
nolabear
(41,984 posts)Its called Cyclic Vomiting Syndrome and basically causes vomiting that is violent and prolonged enough to require he go inpatient for a couple of days. Were in Seattle and the hospitals are very crowded, so they have to find him a bed where they can. The best is the oncology ward because they actually let the ambulatory patients who want to go outside and smoke or vape if it helps with the horrible chemo nausea. It helps him too when its not so bad he has to be knocked out to break the cycle.
We dont really have a United States any more. Were a conglomerate of very, very different ones.
Btw the feds are ignoring us so far.
Niagara
(7,627 posts)We dont really have a United States any more. Were a conglomerate of very, very different ones.
It does seem that way.
nolabear
(41,984 posts)Theres a syndrome called Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome that comes from extreme pot usage and we have to fight the ER (same one hes been seen at probably a hundred times over the years) half the time in spite of his records containing specific instructions from his specialist and that it started when he was three years old. Hes early thirties now and is sometimes treated very badly. Its common with CVS sufferers. I try to be a calm advocate for his sake since he literally can not communicate when in an episode but I have wanted to go upside quite a few heads when they flat out dont follow the protocol or disrespect him.
Sorry about the vent. It felt good though. 😄
Niagara
(7,627 posts)No need to apologize, sometimes we need to get it all out.
KG
(28,751 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Rousting a dying man for ****ing HARMLESS THC!!!????
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)in MO July 2019. Probably unfortunately too late for the Bolivar MO person. IMHO, this police officer didn't have to search this patient's room either, it's not like some major crime spree was happening. I seriously question the use of limited police resources in a matter such as this and if I was the town officials, I would seriously question the use of limited resources to such a relative petty crime.
In some jurisdictions, the decriminalization of pot has occurred (STLMO, KCMO, perhaps other localities). The major cities of MO are, or have taken steps to strip away this mantra of criminality around pot. Bolivar happens to be located in a 'bible belt' portion of MO.
onethatcares
(16,172 posts)since then we've learned that we don't know what we're talking about or what we wanted when we voted.
pill, oils, etc were approved by Prick Scott in 2017.
On March 3, 2019 the Fla Senate approved the use of smokable marijuana by medical patients, the Fla House has yet to vote on it.
What a bunch of shit over a plant.
Oh, they, the legislature, wants to make it harder for home rule ordinances to be passed.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)find a way to alter the language allowing it in MO in some shape form or fashion (to highly restrict it or forbid it). They done this before on several other voter approved ballot initiatives (MO has repugs in cntl of both houses of the legislature). What gets me is that MO has an amendment called the Hancock Amendment which highly restricts the imposition of more taxes by the state, thus legalizing pot could bring in a lot of extra funds for MO infrastructure projects.
onethatcares
(16,172 posts)to appear on the ballot, the amendment had to go to the fla state supreme court and be a one item change with wording approved by them.
It met all those requirements.
then the legislature got involved by telling us that they would define the meanings of the amendments wording.
Meanwhile they are disallowing individual cities the right (home rule) to modify punishment for possession, restrict firearm carrying, and other applicable items.
it's a freaking joke show.
Good luck with MO. You'll need it. BTW. John Morgan of Morgan and Morgan was instrumental in both writing the amendment and paying for people to collect signatures to get it on the ballot. Hope you have the same or similar pockets.
Peace out to you my brother.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Buzzed to the skin on the sides, also called a high-and-tight. Its a popular style, but its *really* popular with the white nationalist crowd.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/style/news/amp51116/high-and-tight-fascism-neo-nazis-white-supremacists/
This Wildly Popular Haircut Has a Serious Neo-Nazi Problem
Hipster? Or Hitler?
ESQUIRE, August 15, 2017
By Scott Christain
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Sadly, though, the haircut's fascists origins have come back to haunt us. A photo posted on Twitter from a recent conference of The National Policy Institute, an alt-right, white supremacist "think tank" (yes, those are to be read as sarcastic air quotes) showcased a whole cadre of high-and-tights.
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Basically it's a warning to us all then: The next time a good-looking guy in a high-and-tight offers to sell you a craft beer, make sure he isn't trying to also sell you a dose of unabridged hate.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)And would that qualify as a HIPAA violation?
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Folks in general tend to overestimate the reach of HIPPA. It's not a blanket "everything that goes on in the hospital is a secret" law.
It could be a hippa violation if a Hippa covered individual (i.e. hospital employee) reported that he was using THC as medicine.
But if it's reported as "I smelled weed" or "I saw weed", then it's no different than any other complaint about illegal activity.