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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTranscript of the recording Rep. Omar released in support of her claim
that her words were distorted.
Here's the actual recording.
https://soundcloud.com/ilhanomar/obama2
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)I'm done with her.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)It really comes across as Obama is just a prettier, more polished murderer.
ChazII
(6,205 posts)that Pres. Obama was a more polished murder. Glad to know that I am not alone.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)And she doesnt seem to recognize that.
RockRaven
(14,972 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)She said what she said and now shes seeing that those words have consequences. Shes the one who needs to be rocking the contrition, not those of us who support President Obama. So no, there wont be any Fucking apologies forthcoming on this end because there are no apologies warranted here.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)She needs to be primaried, quick.
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Shes getting utterly roasted on Twitter.
Cha
(297,300 posts)Earth does she think she can get away with saying it was "distorted" when there's receipts that say otherwise?
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)still_one
(92,218 posts)betsuni
(25,537 posts)Really the only way to read it. Typical Justice Democrat nonsense, that the true roadblock to nice things is the Democratic Party status quo blah blah blah blah.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)Makes my blood boil. It won't take that many seats to flip for us to be back in the minority and then all is lost.
kcr
(15,317 posts)I hope Omar's recent comments made her think twice.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)Pelosi deserves better. So do we.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)blue cat
(2,415 posts)Sorry, I cant find it.
George II
(67,782 posts)....I don't watch Chris Hayes, I can't stomach him.
ripcord
(5,408 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Response to lapucelle (Original post)
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,357 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)She didn't compare him to Bush. She compared him to Trump.
You think Obama's policy was better than Trump's? That would be the relevant question.
As for the continuation of the drone program, even Sanders said he would continue it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/11/bernie-sanders-drones-counter-terror
If you're going to suggest that others step out of their bubbles, you might want to do the same. "Both sides" is bullshit, regardless of the source. Always has been.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)But thanks for the purity lecture, I guess.
Cha
(297,300 posts)so "truth to power".. she's now saying it was "distorted"? Which it wasn't.
So what is the truth, Omar?
Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Thanks for the link. That is a terrific post.
Cha
(297,300 posts)jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)lapucelle
(18,270 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)You're so brilliant at that!
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)I'm glad I did.
I miss Keith Ellison in that seat.
Mahalo, my friend!
Cha
(297,300 posts)Thank You!
MFM008
(19,816 posts)The repubes will have a fit about what she
Said about Obama.....anyone?
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Weird.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)I'm guess I'm missing the distortion.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)She says Obama caged kids. That is a lie and a Trump talking point.
Inexcusable.
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)lostnfound
(16,180 posts)I know people like this. When I was in college 35 years ago, I was somewhat similar in saying that they all do it. Drives me crazy now because I realize we can elect the very best people like PBO and it only undermines them to criticize them that way. Old enough to know that everyone in the system has limited power to change it, from the president on down.
But those naive, virulent idealists love to extend the isms to everything. So sure of themselves as better than everyone.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)this emoji to her tweeted claim that her words were distorted by the reporter.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)I would be certain she would be fired by Monday. My understanding of how Congressional terms work leads me to believe she will be a thorn in some sides for another year and a half.
Carrito
(42 posts)At the end of the transcript.
She refers to someone more polished than Trump who got away with murder.
Cha
(297,300 posts)Snip//
Democrats didnt abandon Omar over her comments about Israel. Her criticism of Barack Obama is another matter.
Omar says the hope and change offered by Barack Obama was a mirage. Recalling the caging of kids at the U.S.-Mexico border and the droning of countries around the world on Obamas watch, she argues that the Democratic president operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor.
We cant be only upset with Trump . . . His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,
Omar says. And thats not what we should be looking for anymore. We dont want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/ilhan-omar-barack-obama-pretty-face
And, as long as we're having a drone conversation..
Link to tweet
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Turns out she was being misunderstood before she ran for congress. There's a pattern here.
So her district elected someone whose statements occasionally smell of antisemitism? Not great, but she represents the people who elected her, not the Democratic Party as a whole. Except when she punches the Republicans in the nose for the right reasons, or something close to.
But she's far left (and possibly right, tbd), and I think we should get used to her also being a nuisance for the Democratic mainstream and not wig out every time it happens. The press are now clustered around her, eager for each new controversial pearl from her photogenic lips, and she's apparently eager to meet her destiny.
Meanwhile, as always, the real problem is on the right, and it's huge. Muslims and Jews killing each other is seen as foreordained by most. Some loathe both and delight. Most don't care that much but are 100% behind Jews holding a state in the Middle East for Christians to eventually take over. And that's what this is really about. Religious wars, potentially planetwide rivers of blood, over whose god gets what if sensible people don't get a leash on these types.
musicblind
(4,484 posts)Just awful. As someone else said, I'm glad she isn't my representative.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that Politico published.
"I will talk about the family separation or caging of kids and then people will point out that this was wrong. I mean this was Obama."
"We don't want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished."
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)This looks like a "Lordy, I hope there are tapes" moment fulfilled for the reporter who she claimed had distorted her words.
Rep. Omar has since deleted the tweet along with the link to her "Exhibit A" evidence.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1104116455224807424
I'm glad there are screenshots of the deleted tweet and a transcript and copies of her self-recording.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)murielm99
(30,745 posts)We just don't need to lose the seat to a repiggie.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)with the ridiculous "both parties are the same" narritive that was stoked in 2016.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm sick of the divisive lies. It's simply NOT TRUE that the Democrats are "the party of the elite". It's a LIE to claim that the Democrats are the "party for the one percent".
All I'm saying is that the lies only serve to divide and weaken the Democratic party... and a weakened Democratic party only serves to benefit the GOP, and Trump, and RUSSIA!
Sgent
(5,857 posts)the outside looking in.
I don't want her forming Democratic policy. Let her and Stephen King fight it out on their committee of two.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)She's not helping.
forklift
(401 posts)on top of being naive and ill-informed.
So which one of the following options she would have chosen?
1. Let the terrorists roam free, unhindered, and attack our troops and our allied people at every opportunity.
2. Do a massive ground operation with full air support and kill thousands of civilians and a few hundred Americans to kill a handful of terrorists.
3. Use targeted drones which were 98% effective and killed only a few civilians without risking American lives.
She wants Option 1 because it is a culture of peace in a land of milk and honey and nice people all around.
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,270 posts)She posted the audio as "Exhibit A' evidence that the reporter "distorted" her words. Nobody but the congresswoman saw the alleged distortion.
George II
(67,782 posts)We seem to have a trend here.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)without thinking that through either.
Cha
(297,300 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)Internet forever..
Link to tweet
I was just going to say..
"Not a good sign to back up her story of "distortion".
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)... and the writer of the story is probably relieved. Any gaslighting concerning "distortions" were put to rest by the recording and a transcript of the congresswoman's actual words in full context.
mcar
(42,334 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)of Barack Obama (unaccompanied minors WERE caged during his administration), but it was interpreted by an unsympathetic beltway journalist as another "Dems in Disarray" story.
I swear there's no space to criticize anything, unless we add a lengthy preamble to every utterance.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)but realized people, like yourself, are going to see her quotes in the worst possible light no matter how they're presented and despite any facts. And the politico story juiced it up as another Dems in Disarray shiny object for us to feast on, so she decided to just take the oxygen out of the fake controversy.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Now if we can just find people to listen to them. Accurately.
lapucelle
(18,270 posts)and reading the congresswoman's exact words.
Cha
(297,300 posts)that was tried on me.
"Omar didn't say what she said.. even only people could listen better.."
George II
(67,782 posts)....that was in the recording as posted by Congresswoman Omar in a tweet. I suspect that is why she subsequently deleted that tweet.
No "juicing up" whatsoever.
forklift
(401 posts)Cha
(297,300 posts)her disparaging remarks against President Obama.
Now she's on the defensive.. she could have made her points without her hateful untrue digs thrown at President Obama.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Anybody know?
forklift
(401 posts)She meant to diss President Obama. It was by design.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Otherwise she would've come out with an explanation by now.
Cha
(297,300 posts)snip//
"After many took Omar's comments as a harsh critique of Obama, who remains widely popular across the Democratic Party, she took to Twitter to clarify the comments, writing, "I'm an Obama fan! I was saying how Trump is different from Obama, and why we should focus on policy not politics."
In a March 2018 Quinnpiac Poll 49 percent of Democrats ranked Obama as the best president the United States has had since World War II."
https://abc13.com/rep-ilhan-omar-says-her-criticism-of-president-obama-was-distorted/5178653/
Weird. Words Matter and she can say "I'm an Obama fan" but it doesn't compute with why she would say those ugly untrue things about him.
It sounded very personal.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)I didn't know anything about her, thought she was new to politics but turns out she isn't.
Cha
(297,300 posts)"clarify" anything.
And yeah, I just found out she's not new to politics.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)wordy padding of rhetoric that actually reinforces it. Republicans atrocities are "just more polished" than Obama's and others "who came before" Trump and this Republican congress?
That's not just extremism talking, it's stupid and dishonest.