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Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:05 PM Aug 2012

Homeland Security Prepares for Civil War

Apologies if this has been posted already. I looked and couldn't find it. Anyway, I'm interested to read what other DUers make of it:

Its Clear Our Military Is No Longer The Nation's Only Standing Army When It Comes To Killing Power


Over the past 2 weeks, everyone from the mainstream media to bloggers and conspiracy theorists have questioned the government's mass purchasing of ammunition for federal agencies like the National Weather Service and even the Social Security Administration. Combined, both agencies ordered over 210,000 rounds. This ammunition is mostly made up of "hollow point" bullets, which are designed strictly for maximum damage to the human body and have been outlawed for use in warfare since 1969.


On the surface, these purchases alone are scary enough and raise questions as to why these unlikely agencies need any amounts of ammo, especially bullets that have been outlawed. The National Weather Service claims they have 63 officers who "enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles." If you divide 46,000 rounds by the 63 agents they employ, that's 730 bullets per agent, or, in other words, 63 crack shots and a lot of dead fisherman.


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Governments Strategy To Crush Any Tea Party Insurgency (Warfare)


How seriously does the government consider a Tea Party rebellion? Kevin Benson, a retired U.S. Army colonel, who now teaches modern warfare to soldiers at the University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, has co-written an article with Civil War expert, Jennifer Weber, detailing how to crush a Tea Party insurgency. That report, by itself, has ignited a firestorm among those increasingly concerned about what they feel is a distinct anti-civilian tone that has infected much of the military and Homeland Security personnel since 2009.

More at http://www.opednews.com/articles/Homeland-Security-s-Intent-by-Jack-Swint-120821-433.html

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cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
2. Ah, bullshit.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:20 PM
Aug 2012

There might be a couple thousand assholes stupid and motivated enough to actually start shooting.

Local law enforcement will handle almost all of them.

Anyone in any number trying armed revolution are welcome review what the police did to the Symbionese Liberation Army.

Or Ruby Ridge. Or Waco.


I believe you have a fact free article there. The tea party are incapable of getting out of the line at McDonalds long enough to do anything except misspell everything on their signs.

Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
3. Love your last line there!
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:36 PM
Aug 2012

No serious sources are cited but isn't OpEdNews usually careful about what they publish?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. Well, not always. I've looked at them for years and they're a bit CT.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:01 AM
Aug 2012

But I think the best place to get a thorough going over of this story, part of which was locked before, would be the Gungeon. Or the Creative Specuation forum. Or the Debunking one. It looks like we have a few Gungeoneers on the thread now, and if you went over there they would be able to hash this out there. Just a suggestion, although there is a lot on the nets that seek to draw a lot of things together into CT land. Fine line on this stuff, sometimes.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
4. there are many law enforcment aspects of government agencies the people may not...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:40 PM
Aug 2012

know about...many agencies have a police component. Ammo is used for training and. shooting qualifications. All duty ammo is usually replaced every several years. There was a time when they bought training and then service ammo it become more expedient to buy one type. A lots of agencies now have semi-auto long guns so that entails more ammo.
Its actually cheaper to buy in bulk.....My agency used to pass out 1000 rounds every year 70's & 80's for training until they realized it wasn't all used.

A lot of tin foil hats out there. Yes, the Social Security police are going to war.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
5. As Saint Ronnie, patron saint of the Neo-cons would say
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:53 PM
Aug 2012

well...

The DHS can't be too jazzed up about a general crackdown.
1.) None of the model rocketry people, hackers, Inventors, or Pilots that I know of have gotten a knock on their door.
2.) The article was amazingly short on sources and facts.
3.) Wasn't there a prediction of Civil War in the '60s? (and the '70s, and the '90s...)
4.) Wasn't there supposed to be a full police state in the 80's? Wasn't GW supposed to bring on the full fascist state?
5.) Between a Civil War with cops and army on one side, and teahadists on the other... short war.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
6. 210,000 rounds is not a lot of rounds
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:59 PM
Aug 2012

And hollow points are not outlawed.
Edit to add
Should say not outlawed for police or civilian use.
In fact all police agency's use hollow points in their duty guns.

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
7. Exactly. All of my handguns are filled with perfectly legal hollowpoints
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:18 AM
Aug 2012

More bullshit from uninformed gun grabbers.

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
8. The reason you use halowpoints for self defense is that they do not exit the body you are shooting a
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:29 AM
Aug 2012

Thereby reducing the chance that your shot will inadvertently pass through your target and hit an innocent bystander. This can be a problem with full metat jacket ammo but hollopoint ammo is designed to disperse it's power within the subject and not pose a danger to bystanders.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
10. So to proliferationists, dead humans are now "subjects?"
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:34 AM
Aug 2012

Well, when you venerate guns more than human beings, it's to be expected.

MyshkinCommaPrince

(611 posts)
12. "This is not a conspiracy theory..."
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 01:02 AM
Aug 2012

Thinking we need to reference Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit for this one. It reminds me of some of the wild theories which were posted here (even, yes, at DU) in reaction to some of Shrubya's executive orders. It just reads to me like many other conspiracy theories I've encountered, right up to its effort to deny that it is a conspiracy theory.

Still, it's an interesting enough read. I liked that thing with the self-declared time-traveler revealing the future on the internet, too.

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