I don't see were Omar mentioned Obama in the Newsweek article

[uponit7771]

I don't see were Omar mentioned Obama in the Newsweek article...

https://www.newsweek.com/ilhan-omar-barack-obama-cages-drones-1356997

Is this more crap stirring by the M$M?!?


thx in advance

[TwilightZone]

1. It's in the Politico article they are referencing.

"As she saw it, the party ostensibly committed to progressive values had become complicit in perpetuating the status quo. Omar says the “hope and change” offered by Barack Obama was a mirage. Recalling the “caging of kids” at the U.S.-Mexico border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch, she argues that the Democratic president operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor.

“We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”"

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

[uponit7771]

2. Hmmmmm, poltico isn't quoting her mention of Obama either ...

... I'll wait on this one.

Politico et al love to shit stir

[TwilightZone]

3. "Omar says the "hope and change" offered by Barack Obama was a mirage."

Unless one believes that "hope and change" (which appears to be a quote) refers to a different president, it's pretty clear she was talking about Obama.

I agree re: Politico, but I also think she was clearly talking about Obama. It's also possible that the interview or the parts that were referenced never happened. I'm sure we'll learn more shortly.

[kcr]

5. It's a long article, so easy to miss.

Here:

As she saw it, the party ostensibly committed to progressive values had become complicit in perpetuating the status quo. Omar says the “hope and change” offered by Barack Obama was a mirage. Recalling the “caging of kids” at the U.S.-Mexico border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch, she argues that the Democratic president operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor.

“We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”

[frazzled]

6. It's there: in quotation marks

Which means these are the words she spoke. You can dismiss Politico as "fake news" (like someone we know) but the fact remains that they have checkers to make sure that quotations are accurate.

[Trumpocalypse]

13. Actually

Obama’s name is not in the quotation marks in the passage cited above.

[pnwmom]

14. The reporter stated she was talking about Obama. n/t

[Trumpocalypse]

15. So we take the reporter's word for it

Why didn’t the reporter just provide a direct quote?

[pnwmom]

16. Obama was the "hope and change" candidate, as you know. And that part was a direct quote.

Anyone who is being honest will acknowledge it's clear she was referring to Obama there.

[Trumpocalypse]

17. Was it?

There were only quotation marks around “hope and change”. Why not just show the whole instead of three words that could be out of context.

[pnwmom]

18. Because reporters paraphrase, in order to write more concisely. If you've ever read a newspaper,

you would have seen that in any news article.

[Trumpocalypse]

19. I have read newspapers

and honest reporters provide direct quotes, not paraphrases.

[pnwmom]

20. They don't provide direct quotes of every word out of every person's mouth. They selectively

include direct quotes, as this reporter did.

There is more of what she said in the ABC article. She's STILL referring to Obama (even though she tried to walk it back later.)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-controversy-rep-ilhan-omar-criticism-president-obama/story?id=61564148

In an interview Omar gave to POLITICO Magazine, the freshman Democrat said while it is right to criticize President Donald Trump and the policies of his administration, she also feels that there are "ways that our Democratic leaders have conducted themselves within the system is not one that we are all proud of."

"You know I will talk about the family separation or caging of kids and people will point out that this was Trump -- I mean this was Obama. I mean I'll say something about the droning of countries around the world and people will say that was Obama. And all of that is very true," Omar, who posted audio of the specific portion of the interview on Twitter, said.

"We can't be only upset with Trump because he's not a politician who sells us his policies in the most perfect way. His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was, and that's not what we should be looking for anymore," Omar added. "We don't want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished, we want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile so that we can understand the kind of negative impact, or positive impact they will have on us for generations to come."

After many took Omar's comments as a harsh critique of Obama, who remains widely popular across the Democratic Party, she took to Twitter to clarify the comments, writing, "I'm an Obama fan! I was saying how Trump is different from Obama, and why we should focus on policy not politics."

Yeah, right.

[Trumpocalypse]

21. When it is the main thrust of your article

direct quotes should be provided which prove the narrative you’re pushing. That is journalism 101.

And she does refer to Obama but doesn’t attack him as The Politico reporter contends.

[pnwmom]

22. Many of us thought it was an attack. She was saying Obama followed bad policies but hid it

behind his "pretty face and the smile."

And it isn't just on paper. Her voice is on the tapes, and the meaning is clear.

Link to tweet

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1104161797274324992&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FPolitics%2Fweek-controversy-rep-ilhan-omar-criticism-president-obama%2Fstory%3Fid%3D61564148

[Trumpocalypse]

23. Tapes that she provided

And it is only an attack if we’re in cult of personality mode where nothing critical must be said about the dear leader. This is the same as calling it an attack to point out that FDR illegally jailed Japanese-Americans. We have to be honest about our past and mistakes that our leaders have made. Rachel Maddox did extensive reporting on immigration policy during the Obama administration and we should be honest about it.

[pnwmom]

24. She not only compared Obama to Trump, as you finally admit, she said that Obama

"also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was."

So Obama had policies that were just as bad -- he was just more polished. This IS FALSE. Obama didn't have a family separation policy. A judge ordered that children could only be held in detention for 21 days, so Obama's decision was to release the families from detention -- together -- by the 21st day. The teens that were pictured in the pens had crossed the borders on their own. That is NOT comparable to Trump's family separation policy.

When the Trump administration trumpeted their new policy, they made it clear it was NEW. Obama was not stealing small children from their parents and shipping them all around the country. And Obama didn't lose thousands of children, as Trump has.

It is either dishonest or ignorant to suggest that the actions of Obama and Trump were comparable, except that Obama was more "polished." At this point, I will give Omar the benefit of the doubt and assume she is just ignorant about the differences. But she better bring herself up to speed quickly, if she doesn't want to be primaried in a year.

[Trumpocalypse]

25. That is not what she said

But Obama wasn’t perfect. There policies that many were uncomfortable with. To say he can’t be criticized is just cult of personality thinking. We need to be better that.

[pnwmom]

26. It is EXACTLY what she said.

And you are twisting what I said. I didn't say Obama is above criticism. I said it is FALSE or IGNORANT to say his policies were similar to Trump's.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-controversy-rep-ilhan-omar-criticism-president-obama/story?id=61564148

"You know I will talk about the family separation or caging of kids and people will point out that this was Trump -- I mean this was Obama. I mean I'll say something about the droning of countries around the world and people will say that was Obama. And all of that is very true," Omar, who posted audio of the specific portion of the interview on Twitter, said.

"We can't be only upset with Trump because he's not a politician who sells us his policies in the most perfect way. His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was, and that's not what we should be looking for anymore," Omar added. "We don't want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished, we want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile so that we can understand the kind of negative impact, or positive impact they will have on us for generations to come."

After many took Omar's comments as a harsh critique of Obama, who remains widely popular across the Democratic Party, she took to Twitter to clarify the comments, writing, "I'm an Obama fan! I was saying how Trump is different from Obama, and why we should focus on policy not politics."

[Cha]

28. Thank You for trying to explain that to

him so brilliantly, pnwmom!

Her walkaback is doesn't commute with her original statement.

[Trumpocalypse]

31. So we are not allowed

to compare Obama to Trump? Rachel Maddow was highly critical of some of Obama’s policies at the time, but now we are not allowed to?

[pnwmom]

33. It is FALSE to say that their policies were similar. Trump with great fanfare announced

that he was creating a NEW family separation policy. Obama never separated any families except in the few cases where the parent needed to be in a criminal facility (few asylum seekers fell in that category.)

[Cha]

27. We're Not saying he can't "be criticized".. but

Omar wasn't being constructive.

Link to tweet

"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011

We know President Obama wasn't perfect.

[pnwmom]

30. Thanks for the link, Cha! We don't need Dems mindlessly repeating Trump talking points. n/t

[Cha]

36. You're Welcome, pnwmom..

Of all the things we have to deal with to get this Fascist out of the WH.. who would have thought we'd have to deal with a Dem Congressperson attacking President Obama for being like trump?!!

[Trumpocalypse]

40. It depends on how you define constructive

[pnwmom]

34. No one is saying Obama can't be criticized. I am saying you shouldn't be saying false things

in your effort to criticize him and to compare him to Trump.

[Trumpocalypse]

39. It was not false

Remember this pic?

This was taken in 2014. Let's be honest about ourselves and mistakes that were made in the past.

[pnwmom]

43. It was FALSE to say those are children separated from their parents, like under Trump.

Those are young people who crossed the border on their own.

[Trumpocalypse]

44. If you reread her comment

she was referring to caging children.

[pnwmom]

45. If you read her subject line, she said children were being separated at the border

which was NOT TRUE under Obama.

[Trumpocalypse]

48. You sure about that?

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213525764.html
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/
https://www.apnews.com/91e9489c7f434099a987bed7defd3f1d

While it is true that Obama didn't have the Zero Tolerance policy that Trump put in place, there were family separations and children were put in cages.

We must acknowledge mistakes that were made in the past and be honest about them. Having a cult of personality attitude where the dear leader must never criticized, helps no one.

[Demonaut]

37. when Obama's Pentagon increased drones attack to target terrorists many here complained

[Trumpocalypse]

38. I know

I thought Obama was a great President. But he wasn't perfect and we shouldn't be ashamed to say so.

[LuvLoogie]

54. You keep putting up straw man arguments in order to defend Omar's falsehoods...

We shouldn't be ashamed to admit when newbies step in it.

[Trumpocalypse]

57. Not a strawman

and not a falsehood.

[lancelyons]

55. No thats not true.. its easy to take things out of context. Be Careful.

[Cha]

35. How's Vanity Fair, uponit?

Ilhan Omar Backtracks After Calling Obama a “Pretty Face” Who “Got Away with Murder”

Snip//

Democrats didn’t abandon Omar over her comments about Israel. Her criticism of Barack Obama is another matter.

Omar says the “hope and change” offered by Barack Obama was a mirage. Recalling the “caging of kids” at the U.S.-Mexico border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch, she argues that the Democratic president operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor.

“We can’t be only upset with Trump . . . His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,”

Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/ilhan-omar-barack-obama-pretty-face

And, as long as we're having a drone conversation..

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

4. Correct me if I'm wrong but the drones kept falling and there were kids separated at the border

and kept in cages. When Trumps separation of families started the photos of kids in cages were from Obama's time. Obama's reason for the kids in cages if I remember correctly was because they had crossed alone or with people that were not their parents. I don't expect everyone not to know that little fact because outside of DU no one that I have talked to about is seems to know why those kids were in detention by Obama. She's right, it's the policies, pretty or ugly that are behind the face that are objectionable. She's entitled to her opinion on Presidents, war, immigration policies like separation and is very correct that Obama operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his successor Bush and other put in place .

[TwilightZone]

8. So, you agree that Trump's policy on family separations and Obama's were similar?

That talking point has been debunked repeatedly.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

"Outside of DU no one that I have talked to"

Then you didn't try very hard. The fact checks have been public knowledge - and easily located - for nearly a year. Try Google.

[Autumn]

11. Wow. That's quite the twisting of what I said and completely wrong.

Did you even read what I said?

Obama's reason for the kids in cages if I remember correctly was because they had crossed alone or with people that were not their parents.

[TwilightZone]

56. Followed by an oft-debunked, right-wing talking point.

That you and your friends are apparently the only ones privy to.

[uponit7771]

12. +1

[pnwmom]

32. Why are you minimizing the differences between Trump's and Obama's policies?

The teens pictured in the cages during the Obama years had crossed the borders on their own.

By contrast with Trump, in compliance with a court ruling, Obama did not keep families in detention for longer than 21 days. When the 21 days were up, the families were released on their own recognizance -- TOGETHER.

Trump, with great fanfare, announced his new policy of family separation. He thought this NEW policy would serve as deference for other parents thinking about trying to claim asylum.

[Autumn]

41. Minimizing the differences? Was this sentence in my post invisible?

Obama's reason for the kids in cages if I remember correctly was because they had crossed alone or with people that were not their parents.

[pnwmom]

42. You seem to have overlooked some of the other things you wrote.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the drones kept falling and there were kids separated at the border

and kept in cages. When Trumps separation of families started the photos of kids in cages were from Obama's time. Obama's reason for the kids in cages if I remember correctly was because they had crossed alone or with people that were not their parents. I don't expect everyone not to know that little fact because outside of DU no one that I have talked to about is seems to know why those kids were in detention by Obama. She's right, it's the policies, pretty or ugly that are behind the face that are objectionable. She's entitled to her opinion on Presidents, war, immigration policies like separation and is very correct that Obama operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his successor Bush and other put in place .

So yes, in one sentence you suggested a reason for those pictures. But in your title you minimized the difference, and at the end you did that again, when you said Obama's polices were "objectionable" and "within the same fundamentally broken network." When Obama took over, the system was keeping families in detention as long as it took to get them asylum; he instead began holding them no longer than 21 days, and them releasing them after they signed a paper to return for their hearings. And NO President before Trump, even Bush, had engaged in the forced separation of parents from their children, except in the rare cases of criminal parents.

Trump's policies are uniquely bad.

[Autumn]

46. What I posted are facts.

The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/fact-check-did-obama-administration-separate-families-n884856

From my post which clearly shows that unlike you I wasn't focused on just family separation I also mentioned the continued use of drones and immigration that she pointed out.

She's entitled to her opinion on Presidents, war, immigration policies like separation and is very correct that Obama as his successor Bush and other put in place .

Obama didn't create any of those policies, he operated under those broken policies. And they are badly broken which is why we have the problems we do. To be fair, anyone we elect as president is going to operate within the same fundamentally broken framework. Unless it is fixed.

[pnwmom]

47. And you chose to post facts (like separated children of a tiny fraction of refugee seekers)

which served to minimize the differences between Trump and Obama.

Here is a major difference: when Obama separated families, that was the exception. Under Trump, it was the RULE.

[Autumn]

49. And that is exactly what I posted.

[pnwmom]

50. Is there a reason you haven't fixed your misleading subject line? n/t

[Autumn]

58. I see no reason to change any of my posts. I think they are fine.

[kstewart33]

51. HERE IS THE AUDIO.

Go to the link: https://soundcloud.com/ilhanomar/obama2

Listen to the first 45 seconds of it. She clearly references Obama in caging children and "droning" countries. She references 'people are saying' that Obama does this and that and then she says "it's all true."

[Hassler]

9. Imagine the response if Omar was referred to as "a pretty face and a smile."

[Cha]

29. Wow.. I know right! Damn! WTH!

Link to tweet

"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011

[LongtimeAZDem]

52. No kidding

[maxsolomon]

10. She alluded to him.

She wants America to live up to its high-minded rhetoric.

Problem is, America's high-minded rhetoric is bullshit, and the President has to choose from a menu of bad options.

Obama consistently chose the least bad option, but they were still bad choices. The MIC/National Security State has crafted the box very well over the decades since WW2. No room to reverse course.

[lapucelle]

53. The congresswoman helpfully provided a recording of what she told the reporter.

Here's a transcript:



Here's a link to the congresswoman's self-recorded audio.

https://soundcloud.com/ilhanomar/obama2