Please, folks, do NOT buy into and pass along all of the out-and-out CRAP that is

[Atticus]

being spread by the internet and even so-called "news" outlets. The current flap about AOC making a "list" of moderates to be primaried is just one example.

Please---read what the woman ACTUALLY SAID! Not what someone says she said; not a paraphrase by an unknown ideologue; not an " interpretation" or a characterization or what some bloviating ASS (Can you say "Rush", boys and girls?) says she "really meant"! Read. What. She. Actually. Said. Please.

Millions are being paid to shameless whores whose primary job is to anger, confuse and divide us; to drive wedges into any schism and take our eyes off the prize. Are our kids and grandkids worth holding our tongue about "what's wrong with" a particular Democrat? Is defeating that sick sonofabitch in the White House worth voting for your 2nd, 3rd---or 8th---choice Democrat?

Let's rise above the BS and retake our democracy.

[Stinky The Clown]

1. So post the quote , , , , , ,

[Raine]

2. What did she say exactly

[lapucelle]

5. From WaPo

Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), the unquestioned media superstar of the freshman class, upped the ante, admonishing the moderates and indicating she would help liberal activists unseat them in the 2020 election.

Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez, said she told her colleagues that Democrats who side with Republicans “are putting themselves on a list.”

“She said that when activists ask her why she had to vote for a gun safety bill that also further empowers an agency that forcibly injects kids with psychotropic drugs, they’re going to want a list of names and she’s going to give it to them,” Trent said, referring to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Ocasio-Cortez on Friday disputed that she had directly threatened her colleagues, saying in a tweet that Democrats were “inadvertently making a list of targets for the GOP and for progressive advocates” by voting with Republicans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-democrats-explode-in-recriminations-as-liberals-lash-out-at-moderates/2019/02/28/c3d163fe-3b87-11e9-a06c-3ec8ed509d15_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c59d8b0727df

[Atticus]

8. From AOC: " I said that by the Dems distinguishing themselves by breaking off on procedural votes,

they were inadvertently making a list of targets for the GOP and for progressive advocates on their PRO-LIFE vote."

[George II]

9. She and Justice Democrats said a month or so ago that they were "targeting" (their word).....

....Texas Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar next year because he wasn't "progressive" enough. Yet Cuellar has only voted ONCE against the Democratic position this session. She has voted against the Democratic position and with trump NINE times this session. Don't take my word for it, a complete list of every vote can be found here:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/index.asp

[Kaleva]

13. Can you provide the source where AOC is qouted as "targeting" Henry Cuellar?

[George II]

15. Here's one:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/29/18188601/justice-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortezes-aoc

[Kaleva]

16. "Ocasio-Cortez hasn't formally endorsed a primary challenger to Cuellar or anyone else"?

Is that it? I don't see a quote from AOC anywhere in that article.

[George II]

18. That's because they haven't come up with a primary challenger for Cuellar yet.

[Kaleva]

19. But the article you linked to doesn't support the claim you made in post #9.

"She and Justice Democrats said a month or so ago that they were "targeting" (their word).....

....Texas Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar next year because he wasn't "progressive" enough. "

[George II]

22. Did you watch the video?

[George II]

21. Did you watch the video?

[Kaleva]

24. "I am expending zero energy in trying to recruit other candidates to run against Democrats."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/29/18188601/justice-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortezes-aoc

[George II]

50. Do you know who is behind Justice Democrats?

[Kaleva]

68. Former or current Bernie supporters for the most part.

[George II]

69. It's even deeper than that. Please google each of the two groups for the details.

[lapucelle]

54. It's great that she's not recruiting. I hope the same is true of some of the people on her payroll

like Corbin Trent and Saikat Chakrabati.

[melman]

26. Where in the video is this quote?

How about telling people where to find it.

[George II]

27. What quote?

[melman]

31. Cute

You made a claim. Back it up.

[George II]

38. Are you hitting on me?

[melman]

40. Hilarious!

And by hilarious I mean unbelievably cringeworthy.


How come you can't produce the quote? You said it was there. It's not.

[lapucelle]

52. Wow, is it true that Saikat Chakrabarti is Cortez's chief of staff?

Oh dear...



Mr. Chakrabarti must have very deep pockets. Besides the donation to the campaign to the Republican pastor, he donated an additional $13,500 to primary challengers to Democratic incumbents in the 2018 cycle.

https://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=44209287&default=contributor

[George II]

53. Yes it's true. There's a very interesting, indeed curious history and relationship....

....among some of these people and Justice Democrats.

[lapucelle]

55. So Corbin Trent and Saikat Chakrabarti are on Cortez's Congressional payroll

and both of them supported and/or funded Republican candidates in 2018?

And one of them is now telling reporters that Cortez said things that she did not actually say?

Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez, said she told her colleagues that Democrats who side with Republicans “are putting themselves on a list.”

“She said that when activists ask her why she had to vote for a gun safety bill that also further empowers an agency that forcibly injects kids with psychotropic drugs, they’re going to want a list of names and she’s going to give it to them,” Trent said, referring to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Saikat Chakrabarti (Cortez's chief of staff) sided with a Republican candidate in 2018 and maxxed out on his contributions to the Republican pastor.

Is Cortez's chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti on "the list"?

He belongs there.

[George II]

56. Here are some of the curious documented facts about the connections:

Saikat Chakrabarti and Trent Corbin were co-founders of Justice Democrats.

The first two board members of Justice Democrats were Saikat Chakrabarti and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (since removed from their website)

According to Saikat Chakrabarti he is also the founder of Brand New Congress.

Brand New Congress endorsed independent and republican candidates in 2018.

In 2017 Brand New Congress teamed up with Justice Democrats.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' campaign manager in 2018 was Saikat Chakrabarti and her communications director was Trent Corbin

Saikat Chakrabarti is now her Congressional chief of staff and Trent Corbin is now her spokesperson

Saikat Chakrabarti personally contributed the maximum of $2700 to republican Robert Ryerse who ran for Congress in Arkansas, and now he's chief of staff for a Democrat in Congress.

How "progressive" is it to contribute to a republican candidate in ruby-red in Arkansas?

[lapucelle]

58. And now they're putting words in her mouth?

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Don't they know that THEY work for her, not the other way around?

[George II]

62. Not only did Chakrabarti contribute to republican Robert Ryerse's campaign, but it was designated...

...an "in kind" contribution for strategic consulting. He was working FOR a republican's campaign!!

You can find details here:

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/?two_year_transaction_period=2018&data_type=processed&committee_id=C00639849&min_date=01%2F01%2F2017&max_date=12%2F31%2F2018

[melman]

29. Just watched the whole video

Nowhere in the entire eight minutes and forty-seven seconds does she say that or anything like it. Nor does anyone else.

[Atticus]

17. The cited article contains no such quote. Why did you post it? nt

[MrModerate]

47. Sounds like Cuellar might be too conservative for his district. n/t

[George II]

48. Cuellar has voted with the Democratic majority more than the person criticizing him.

[lapucelle]

49. It is never good when the person in office has to walk back what her "spokesman" said.

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Former board member / mouthpiece of Brand New Congress (a group that spent most of its candidate contribution budget funding Republican Party candidates) Corbin Trent might be the real problem.

Theo: What is your relationship to the Democratic Party?

Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has—a long time ago—stopped representing the needs of the American people.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/20341/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat


Corbin Trent was on the board of the BNC PAC when it spent money this year in the effort of the Republican challenger looking to unseat the Democratic incumbent in a general election..



https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00613810&cycle=2018

The bulk of the remaining contributions that board member Corbin Trent's BNC PAC dispersed in 2018 was spent on unsuccessful primary challengers in Democratic races.

The only money Corbin Trent's group spent on a Democrats in the GE was the $950 in CA. In OK, Corbin Trent's group gave $3300 to the Republican who would have run against a Democratic in the general election.

The last thing Cortez needs are leeches like the former front man of a Republican candidate loving PAC putting words in her mouth.

[Celerity]

30. I so hope Cuellar IS primaried, he's anti-LGBTQ, rated A- by the NRA, is pro-life, anti-immigrant

Henry Cuellar has the highest Trump Score of any House Democrat. Higher than a couple Republicans.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/house/



He is Pro-Life (votes that way), voted to ban abortion from all federal healthcare, voted to restrict minors going to an out of state abortion clinic, etc.

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Henry_Cuellar_Abortion.htm

http://time.com/4782994/democrats-anti-abortion-men-congress/


Rate A- by the NRA

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/how-the-nra-grades-the-34-members-of-texass-congressional-delegation/

U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar, D, Laredo.
NRA rating: A-
NRA campaign contribution: $2,000


Raised money for a Republican

In the U.S. House, Democrat Henry Cuellar raises eyebrows by fundraising for Republican John Carter

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/09/11/democrat-henry-cuellar-fundraising-republican-john-carter/



Private Prison Campaign Cash Still Welcomed by Some Democrats in the Trump Era

https://rewire.news/article/2018/09/14/private-prison-campaign-cash-still-welcomed-by-some-democrats-in-the-trump-era/

No congressional Democrat has received more financial backing from private prisons than Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), who has taken $88,990 from GEO Group and CoreCivic America since 2012, according to Open Secrets. Cuellar, who has voted in line with the president 68.9 percent of the time, has received more campaign cash from GEO Group in 2018 than any congressional lawmaker but Rep. John Culberson (R-TX). Almost all of Cuellar’s private prison campaign cash over the past six years has come from GEO Group, which has a history of in-custody deaths and other abuses. Cuellar’s office didn’t answer questions submitted by Rewire.News about the Democrat’s acceptance of private prison campaign money.


He was the only Democrat to vote for a House bill that would have made it easier to deport unaccompanied minors from Central America.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Cuellar-From-migrant-family-to-growing-clout-in-5801927.php

“We have to send a signal,” he said.




Rated as low as 25% on LGBTQ Issues by the Human Rights Campaign in some years

https://www.hrc.org/resources/congressional-scorecard

Was strongly against same-sex marriage
http://www.qsanantonio.com/cuellar-gallego.html


Has an anti-LGBTQ voting record

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/04/02/meet-8-house-dems-dont-co-sponsor-enda/



He is the 2nd most conservative Democrat in the House, now that Sinema was elected to the Senate from Arizona.

GovTrack

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2017/party-house-democrat/ideology

2017 Report Cards
House Democrats / Ideology Score

These special year-end statistics dissect the legislative records of Members of Congress during the 2017 legislative year (Jan 3, 2017-Dec 31, 2017), looking at Members who served at the end of that period. This page was last updated on Jan 6, 2018.

HOUSE DEMOCRATS
most conservative

#1 0.71 Rep. Collin Peterson [D-MN7]
#2 0.64 Sen. Kyrsten Sinema [D-AZ] now US Senator
#3 0.57 Rep. Henry Cuellar [D-TX28]
#4 0.54 Rep. Ron Kind [D-WI3]
#5 0.53 Rep. Josh Gottheimer [D-NJ5]
#6 0.53 Rep. Jim Costa [D-CA16]
#7 0.50 Rep. Kurt Schrader [D-OR5]
#8 0.47 Rep. Tom O’Halleran [D-AZ1]
#9 0.47 Rep. Vicente Gonzalez [D-TX15]
#10 0.45 Rep. John Delaney [D-MD6, 2013-2018]
#11 0.45 Rep. Gene Green [D-TX29, 1993-2018]
#12 0.45 Rep. Filemon Vela [D-TX34]
#13 0.44 Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN1, 2007-2018]
#14 0.44 Rep. Cheri Bustos [D-IL17] <<< have seen her mentioned as a possible future Speaker of the House
#15 0.44 Rep. A. Dutch Ruppersberger [D-MD2]
#16 0.44 Rep. Bradley Schneider [D-IL10]
#17 0.44 Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D-IL3]
#18 0.44 Rep. Stephanie Murphy [D-FL7]
#19 0.44 Rep. David Loebsack [D-IA2]
#20 0.44 Rep. Sanford Bishop [D-GA2]



Its a safe Democratic district

HELL YES I HOPE HE IS PRIMARIED

[TexasTowelie]

41. The voters in his district know his record, they appreciate him, and they keep reelecting him.

Cuellar even has an elementary school in Laredo named after him.

One of the reasons why he is rated as a conservative is his position on abortion. He is a Roman Catholic and so is a large percentage of that congressional district, so in that respect he is representing the viewpoint of his constituent. His positions on LGBT issues and the NRA are also consistent with the values of the majority of voters in that district. While I disagree with him on all of the above, I'm not aware of anytime when his vote was considered to be a tiebreaker so I won't fault him for voting consistent with the wishes of the people he represents.

A so called "progressive" or "democratic socialist" stands no chance in that district. Historically, the organization of any political movements in that area is based more upon ethnicity (e.g., La Raza Unida) than upon political ideology. That's why a challenger to him didn't arise in his previous elections including 2018.

BTW, his voting record for this session of Congress is more progressive than most Democrats including AOC.

Most of the above is only my opinion, but I grew up in the Congressional district adjacent to Cuellar's district so I do have some additional insight about the voters in that district.

[Atticus]

14. I disagree with much of AOC's approach. But, the blogosphere and much of the media

have misrepresented what she said in this instance. I used her situation as an EXAMPLE of trollery and biased journalism simply because it was "fresh" and being discussed in the current news cycle.

[Raine]

20. Thanks ...

that's a big difference from quotes taken out of context.

[lapucelle]

46. Is that in the WaPo story? Do you have a link? N/T

[George II]

32. "Inadvertently"?

[Atticus]

35. "Without intention; accidentally." nt

[manor321]

3. Richard Painter attacked her on twitter

And Ken Dilanian retweeted Painter's tweet.

Always remember where people like Richard Painter came from.

[shanny]

4. Amen.

[GeorgeGist]

6. A quote would be helpful.

[OilemFirchen]

7. Like this?

Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez, said she told her colleagues that Democrats who side with Republicans “are putting themselves on a list.”

House Democrats explode in recriminations as liberals lash out at moderates

[George II]

10. Trent Corbin was a co-founder of Justice Democrats.

[George II]

33. Corbin Trent, one of the co-founders of Justice Democrats, her Campaign Communications Director....

....and now her official Spokesperson.

That's how the dots get connected.

[Kaleva]

43. Here's what she said

"I didn’t say that they were putting themselves on a list for primaries. I said that by Dems distinguishing themselves by breaking off on procedural MTR votes, they were inadvertently making a list of targets for the GOP and for progressive advocates on their pro-ICE vote."

Link to tweet

AOC also said this:

"She told Politico: “I am expending zero energy in trying to recruit other candidates to run against Democrats.”"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/29/18188601/justice-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortezes-aoc

[OilemFirchen]

66. Does that mean that the "unknown ideologue" referenced in the OP...

is her spokesperson?

The "bloviating ASS"?

That seems unfortunate, eh?

[certainot]

11. she's being attacked on rw radio regularly and it is fucking idiotic that the left has no response

here’s limbaugh on 1/22/19, while calling AOC a dunce, upstart little crumb-cruncher, commie, babe, marxist, etc., created a silly premise — that Democratic leaders would get media to “take her out” — just so he could repeat “take her out” half dozen times…..

— transcribed at Sonix.ai:

so the day is going to come where she's gonna make somebody (Dems) mad or she's going to be too successful and will legitimately challenge somebody that has more power than she has. And they're not going to be interested in working with her and welcoming her in because they're not going to trust her so they're gonna take her out. This happens. I mean Soviet leaders were routinely targeted for assassination. They tried to kill Gorbachev during perestroika and glasnost.

limbaugh on 600 radio stations, 260 or 43% of them endorsed by 88 universities, sets the tone for 1500 radio stations

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. Limbaugh so venal, he is suggesting assassination.

"Oh no, I never suggested anyone assassinate her; I just mentioned her frequently in the same paragraph as discussing assassination" he will say.

[nini]

12. I saw a tweet from the Justice Dems saying those things and she was in the video

So, I'm confused here. I blocked them after I saw that and won't go back and double check.. But they were using her in their post about going after certain Dems.

She needs to set them straight if she is not part of that.. and soon.

[crazytown]

25. AOC is backing Pelosi

This happened is the caucus meeting where the Speaker is laying down the law on voting with the GOP on procedural resolutions: “this is no day at he beach”.

It’s out in the open, shoulder to shoulder with the leadership, the opposite of ideologically motivated division.

[watoos]

28. You bet Pelosi and AOC are together.

Anyone bashing AOC for ripping moderate Dems better rip Speaker Pelosi for doing the same.
Seems to me a very dumb idea for Dems to be ripping on AOC when Republicans fear her.

Maybe if people dig deep enough they can Franken her?

[FreepFryer]

34. Max Rose is the one to keep an eye on re Pelosi. Thankfully AOC outclasses and outsmarts him. (n/t)

Rose couldn’t even effectively manage a caucus for the office lottery, and his insistence on opposing the Speaker of the House is a requisite for keeping the crucial support of Staten Island and Brooklyn Republicans, who for some reason decided to vote for him over their own incumbent in 2018.

”I made two promises for things I am going to do by early January,” {Rose} said. “One is that I will be a no on Nancy Pelosi. And two is that I am going to take my wife on a honeymoon. You’re out of your damn mind if you don’t think I’m going to honor those two promises.”

But a more experienced Hill creature would have seen this coming. The top floor of Cannon is widely considered the least-desirable real estate in the office market. Most of the elevators in the building don’t even go up there. Couldn’t the team have anchored their office cluster there to begin with? Would it have helped their odds to wheel and deal with other members of their class?

“It is clear that when it comes to maneuvering we still have something to learn,” Rose said. “This just shows how hard it is to get something done in Washington, D.C.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/max-rose-came-to-congress-to-do-big-things-but-first-he-has-to-do-dumb-things/2018/12/03/fc119072-f70d-11e8-8d64-4e79db33382f_story.html

[brooklynite]

36. You can get an AOC type elected in Staten Island, right?

BTW, do you have an objection to an actual vote of his, other than for Speaker, which was clearly worked out with Pelosi in advance?

Fun fact: Max is on the Homeland Security and Veteran's Affairs Committees. Not the sort of assignments you get if the Speaker is unhappy with you.

[FreepFryer]

37. Max Rose is mentioned and you hop right to. Again I ask you, are you paid by him to post here? (n/t)

[George II]

51. Max Rose is the Representative who now has Michael Grimm's seat. He's the first...

...Democrat to be elected to that seat since 2010. And people are already taking shots at him.

[Squinch]

42. The ratfuckers have a tell. They know they can get us

at each others throats if they depict a schism in the Democratic party and mention AOC. Whenever I see a story doing both if those things, I look for trolling. And I ALWAYS find it.

Lets for once be smart and remember a few things:

1)AOC is often great but sometimes makes ill-considered statements. Just as often though, her words are twisted by those who mean harm to ALL OF US.

2) We are all Democrats. THERE IS NO SCHISM IN THE PARTY! Don't let republicans, ratfuckers or trolls tell you there is!

[Atticus]

44. Thank you. Succinct common sense is always welcome. nt

[Uncle Joe]

45. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Atticus.

[TryLogic]

57. I have noticed that persons who are attacked the most by the right wing monsters are...

those who would challenge profiteering businesses (big banks, payday lenders, pharmaceuticals, big oil, etc.).

those who would challenge the greedy class, A.K.A., the billionaire class.

those who speak truth to power.

those who challenge the politicians who have much power due to seniority. (I noticed at the Cohen hearing it was the more senior Republicans who became crazy, out-of-their-minds hostile.)

[Honeycombe8]

59. That article didn't say AOC, in particular, that I read. And "primaried" comment was

by a moderate who I think thought he was targeted? The article I read did not mention that anyone denied it.

[spanone]

60. K&R...

[pdsimdars]

61. You mean she's not taking our trucks and cows and remodeling our houses? Ding dang!

[PatrickforO]

63. AOC scares EVERYONE in power because she speaks truth to power and

because she does not care if she is reelected for another term or not. Which frees her up to be sometimes painfully honest.

Lists? I don't think so. Transparency? Hard questions? Integrity? Yes. I do think so.

Here's what my friend Dan, a longtime student of Noam Chomsky and phenomena such as the shock doctrine, manufactured consent and the doctrine of American exceptionalism said about AOC:

"It is easy to see why AOC will be vilified and hated by the right for as long as she remains in office, and likely beyond."

So, just remember when you criticize this young lady, or any of the other new members of Congress who are pointing out embarrassing things about 'the way stuff gets done around here' that some things do in fact need to change.

As to 'primarying' people, I'll say this: In theory, at least, we elect people to go to DC and hopefully represent our interests in the face of lobbies and corporate corruption. In fact, most don't, because it is hard, the playing field is NOT level, and most people in office are ruled by fear of not being reelected as opposed to fear of falling short doing the right thing for us.

Truth is, I have gotten pretty darned tired of politicians telling me what they think I want to hear, then going to DC and getting very little done that actually helps me and my family. I'm SICK of that. It needs to end, and the way it ends is to shine the light on things that don't help us much. The Green New Deal non-binding resolution is a prime example of that. HOW THE HELL MUCH COURAGE DOES IT TAKE TO VOTE 'AYE' ON THIS? My grandkids need the politicians to DO THE RIGHT THING on climate change NOW. Not ten years from now.

All of you worry so much about groups like 'Justice Democrats,' well I will tell you this: It may be the reason we worry about them is that they are not afraid to upset the apple cart, they aren't afraid to point out inconvenient things, they aren't afraid to fight the status quo, and they aren't afraid to talk bluntly about kitchen table issues.

Above all, they aren't afraid of serving only one term and being defeated. To my mind, in a government that is ostensibly 'of, by and for' us, the people, THOSE are the exact kind of people we need to be electing.

Consider this, if you will: there are maybe 800 people in DC that call the shots. If they wanted a Green New Deal, they could legislate that tomorrow. If they wanted to raise taxes and give us Medicare for all, they could do that tomorrow. If they wanted to cut our military budget gradually back (so states like mine with lots of DoD and Energy contracts don't get hurt too bad) so we aren't paying more than the 8 countries behind us, they could tomorrow. If they wanted to reinstate the Reagan cuts to Medicare and make it cover 100% and not 80%, they could tomorrow. If they wanted to rebuild this nation's infrastructure, they could enact legislation to do that tomorrow. If they wanted to reverse the wealth and income inequality and redistribute some of that money to things that actually help people, they could do that tomorrow. If they wanted to pay off the national debt, they could actually READ Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution and do that within a year.

Yes, as an economist, I know all about unintended consequences, and we need to do our very best to pass legislation that helps the most people while at the same time being flexible enough to tweak those laws or even reverse them if they aren't working.

AOC is scary to the establishment because she is a reformer without vices and without fear of the powers that be. Teddy Roosevelt was such. Lincoln was such.

Speaking for myself, I will vote my own conscience in any primary and support the candidate that I feel will act most vigorously and wisely to enact law and policy that actually makes my life, and the lives of my family better. Yeah, I support Democrats, and if my primary candidate loses, I support the one we put forward, but why have empty suits when there are actually people who would go to DC and WORK to do the right thing? I try and support people who will DO what needs to be done instead of just SAYING what needs to be done.

We should all always be looking critically at those we elect and holding them accountable for what they do.

[Locrian]

67. well said

I have zero respect for the "establishment" that chooses to support donors when >60%, 70%, 80%?? of the people support an issue and they chose to ignore it.

[McKim]

64. Stop It and Get to Work!

Stop dissing each other and feeding the fights. Get to work to elect your candidate of choice. This is a distraction and we should have one comment and then not jump on the bandwagon of fighting. Don’t take the bait! Just ONE comment: “Let’s you and him fight!” Answer: “No”!

[demmiblue]

65. K&R

Damn, I can see less than 50% of the responses in this thread.

Some seem to be doing TrumPutin's job for them.