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(115,829 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,469 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)James48
(4,438 posts)Gaetzs tweet interferes with a witness. Thats a clear violation of 18 USC 1512.
Somebody needs to inform the FBI of Gartzs Tweet now!
onetexan
(13,057 posts)manor321
(3,344 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)behaved this way at your job...so UNPROFESSIONALLY...you would be canned. I've had enough of this sophomoric bullshit.
magicarpet
(14,164 posts)Matt Gaetz warns not to derail Fuhrer trDump's second term coming in 2020 national election.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)Gaetz sounded more like a two bit thug than a member of the U.S. House. Then again Gaetz is in the ReTRUMPLieCon Party. So, in that sense, I guess its pretty much the norm. 👿☠️
meow2u3
(24,771 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)and that "the committee on ethics should closely monitor" them. I hope she reams his ass and then sends him off to the ethics committee. At least.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)She just told him the ethics committee would be looking into this. Pretty much the limits of her power.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...would look into him. She said they "should". Big difference.
One is a scold and one is a promise of action.
Something needs to happen immediately since Cohen is testifying tomorrow. He needs to feel protected.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)How about: I am instructing the House Ethics Committee to begin an investigation immediately as to whether this violates the rules surrounding witness intimidation and obstruction of justice. We cannot ignore witness intimidation on the eve of testimony.
Or some such. Said better, but you get the idea. She has the power. While power to "encourage" members "to be mindful" seems a damn impotent use of power---it's what a disapproving school teacher would say.
Needs to send a protective message to Cohen as well, right now.
Actually I'm not getting what you're not getting.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)They can recommend the investigation. Which I assume she has.
But the ethics committee is the one in congress that has equal representation from both parties. And a 50/50 vote is a loser.
So you suggestion is not plausible.
I totally agree the tweet was a violation of house rules and possibly illegal. But the speaker has very limited powers to stop it.
What she does have is the power to keep any republican bills off the floor. And she is using that power well.
Im not getting what your not getting. Speaker Pelosi does not have the power to make the ethics committee investigate this blatant violation of house rules. Please stop criticizing her for that.
RichardRay
(2,611 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)The Ethics committee makes the decision. Bu you can bet Pelosis words carry weight.
Is he on the committee? You can bet the Leader will shut him down today.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)That matters.
Nonetheless there's a more forceful, media-powerful way to call on the ethics committee. There's the power of framing. The power of words of true outrage. The power to name and educate the public on what it means when a Congress person threatens a witness.
I find the word "encourage" to be singularly mild.
But at this point, I won't say more b/c of the alert issue.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Preferably someone from his own party. Makes it almost impossible for the ethics committee not to take it up.
George II
(67,782 posts)....it's suborning perjury and perhaps even obstruction of justice.
He's basically saying "lie tomorrow or else".
bluestarone
(17,025 posts)That's exactly the message he was sending!
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)Damn man, great point
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Florida | House
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Matt Gaetz was elected to his second term in the U.S. House of Representatives. He previously served in the Florida state House of Representatives. Gaetz invited Chuck Johnson, a white nationalist Trump Troll, to Trumps State of the Union address in January 2018. Johnson is a Holocaust denier who developed WeSearchr, a payment platform for racist alt-right crowdfunding.
MLAA
(17,318 posts)UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Than the SPLC
So very honorable
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Mark Harris did not win and is not running again. A little good news.
Now, we need to run good candidates against them, although Marsha and Ted are entrenched for 6 years.
still_one
(92,372 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)samnsara
(17,634 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)Gaetz has a good case to say he was just being an ass. Freedumb caucus member.
mcar
(42,372 posts)Disgusting little
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)The only thing I found was 7 DUI arrests and 0 convictions, thanks to daddy.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,940 posts)Given the gravity of the situation it comes across as pathetic. I hope she reconsiders and put out a more appropriate response.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)She cant censor him. Cant send him to the ethics committee.
A spanking? Purple Nurple? A lecture.
I as much as anyone wish it could be stopped. But until a critic of hers gives an example of what she can do, it appears she is limited in her power here.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,940 posts)as i dont, all i can say is that statement put out is disappointingly poor.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)She pretty much said it was an ethics violation. But has no power to make them take it up.
If your going to criticize you need to have a better course of action.
Ever think she might be more pissed about this than us? But knows the limits of her powers?
Mr. Sparkle
(2,940 posts)are you a paid staffer ?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Working for a major company in agriculture!
I am concerned about what I see as criticism of our speaker about her reaction to a possibly illegal tweet by one of the most corrupt republican in Congress.
I agree it was deplorable and probably a violation of House Rules.
Im just asking what more Speaker Pelosi could do?
I will be first in line to criticize when I think our representatives fuck up. But the criticism of her seems misplaced.
You really think Speaker Pelosi would invest 3 years of a staffer to develop my DU history, which I am open about just to head off controversy? I wish she was that good.
Being called a paid staffer for defending the Democratic Speaker of the House. Perhaps my shining moment on DU!
Mr. Sparkle
(2,940 posts)situation. Ted Lieu's tweet on the other hand was brilliant.
If her powers are so restricted, than she could have said that she would use everything at her disposal to profusely condemn the intimation of witness's in front of congress, and these actions do not belong to a member of congress. And those who use them should consider their resignation.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Thats rich!
As the speaker she knows she cant stop this shit.
But she is the face of the party now. She know there other members of the party like representative Lieu who will carry the message to our base. Not her job.
If we want to win in 2020 Speaker Pelosi cant just speak to the base like trump is. She is forced to be the adult in the room.
She has bigger fish to fry than one tweet by the most deplorable member of Congress.
This is why I hate online communication. If you and I were sitting next to each other in a bar, or coffee shop if you dont drink, we would quickly find common ground. But the limitations of written communication makes that difficult
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,040 posts)... adversely affect the ability of House Committees to obtain the truthful and complete information necessary to fulfill their duties.
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)If I threatened a witness like he did I would be charged with a crime. Lock him up!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Otherwise, she would be no better than Gaetz. She has however, carefully reiterated the rules.
She has committees seated to investigate these issues and plenty of professional staff behind them. Let's allow them to do their job.
We can all write our Congressional representatives to express our alarm.
.........
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)Do the same thing to gaetz that the pubicans would do to a Democrat if the tables were turned.
If he was a Democrat, the pubicans would run that asshole gaetz of congress in an afternoon - probably with some Democratic support.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)don't mess with the Speaker of the House and not expect retaliation
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)for Gaetz to understand.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)a breach of rules.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Take those freaking treasonous republican bastards to the wood shed!