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Matt Gaetz----Witness tampering: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Feb 2019 OP
Wow. Just about to post this. Mrs. Overall Feb 2019 #1
He's a republican. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #3
He is not very smart Perseus Feb 2019 #51
Desperation ? Plus cocaine. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #5
That man needs to be arrested True Blue American Feb 2019 #21
I just saw this. Holy fuck! MelissaB Feb 2019 #2
Ha, I just posted and deleted this!! Leghorn21 Feb 2019 #4
Republicans have not just become a cult. They have also become an organized crime family. deminks Feb 2019 #6
Ain't it the truth. Thanks Evolve Dammit Feb 2019 #73
Isn't Mr. DUI the one w/the dead roommate or intern or whatever? CurtEastPoint Feb 2019 #7
This is a crime. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #8
Rachel is on this fast! Mrs. Overall Feb 2019 #12
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both Perseus Feb 2019 #55
Gaetz is a child HopeAgain Feb 2019 #9
Needs one more rec to get to the greatest. Matt Gaetz needs to lawyer up. MelissaB Feb 2019 #10
Someone in congresscritter Gaetz's Office better read up on: Pachamama Feb 2019 #13
Friend on Capital Hill just sent me that...holy shit Pachamama Feb 2019 #11
Another reason to be embarrassed to live in Florida superpatriotman Feb 2019 #14
Hey.. I love Florida...never got below 40 deg entire winter in my town....nt at140 Feb 2019 #42
Perhaps you're aware of this forum? 😂 Duppers Feb 2019 #46
Nope, I am blissfully unaware of sins and misbehaviors at140 Feb 2019 #48
We love Florida! snowybirdie Feb 2019 #44
Tell me about it, spent most of my life in Chicago ! at140 Feb 2019 #52
Me too snowybirdie Feb 2019 #72
When you get the results, will you post me a reply? Thanks at140 Feb 2019 #81
Hey Chicago, Good Job snowybirdie Feb 2019 #84
We're not talking about the waether here..... Evolve Dammit Feb 2019 #74
Popehat thread... SidDithers Feb 2019 #15
Cohen should answer all questions about infidelity as something he learned from Mr. Trump. dem4decades Feb 2019 #16
I expect Elijah Cummings would rule any such questions out of order. euphorb Feb 2019 #25
I'm interested in what Cummings is going to say about Gaetz, re. witness tampering. dem4decades Feb 2019 #56
Cohen procured for his boss, I am sure.. nt at140 Feb 2019 #53
Kick Mrs. Overall Feb 2019 #17
Kick his ass out of Congress for this NightWatcher Feb 2019 #18
he needs to be censured. immediately. mopinko Feb 2019 #19
Will Melania remain faithful when Trump is in prison? Tactical Peek Feb 2019 #20
Some people say LoveMyCali Feb 2019 #41
Maybe she'll turn out to have been complicit FiveGoodMen Feb 2019 #86
Let's hope a Dem on the committee calls out the Gaetzi tomorrow. Hassler Feb 2019 #22
Trump does it, so other Republicans know that they can get away with it too. mia Feb 2019 #23
I don't know that he will get away with it, we have not seen the Muller report Perseus Feb 2019 #60
I see on his twitter account he claims to be Florida man. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #24
Another evil member of the rethug cabal. gademocrat7 Feb 2019 #26
I have a screen shot of that tweet - I'm positive when he sobers up he'll delete it. George II Feb 2019 #27
Speaker Pelosi could censor his ass if nothing else, no? MLAA Feb 2019 #28
I hope so. That'd be nice. nt Duppers Feb 2019 #47
Not unilaterally. It takes a majority vote onenote Feb 2019 #61
Here's hoping for 23! Thanks for the history 🙂 MLAA Feb 2019 #70
They act as if certain they have impunity. denbot Feb 2019 #29
...so Matt's buddy Jim Jordan piped in about 8 hrs. ago...nothing prosecutable, I guess: Leghorn21 Feb 2019 #30
From the great Adam Parkhomenko: NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #31
And "Boss Hogg" is trending is trending at #8, raff!! Leghorn21 Feb 2019 #40
LOL!!!! nt spooky3 Feb 2019 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author 912gdm Feb 2019 #66
I agree with some other commenters. cab67 Feb 2019 #32
Oh hey, so here's Mark Meadows, who apparently copied/pasted from Gym Jordan? Leghorn21 Feb 2019 #33
Yours Truly give the Feds a heads-up meow2u3 Feb 2019 #34
Good job! Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #37
Just doing my civic duty meow2u3 Feb 2019 #39
Gave your tweet a 👍. Duppers Feb 2019 #50
Thanks meow2u3 Feb 2019 #82
Gaetz taking one for the team - doing something to make the Cohen story "what girlfriends?" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #35
K&R Scurrilous Feb 2019 #36
Mueller will never be done wsbradshaw Feb 2019 #38
and where he got such info he's claiming Kurt V. Feb 2019 #45
He should be censured on the floor of the House. kentuck Feb 2019 #43
Censred hell. Scruffy1 Feb 2019 #79
I suspect that came to gaetz directly from the 'president'. It's classic trump. spanone Feb 2019 #49
Absolutely mainstreetonce Feb 2019 #54
"This is what it looks like to compete in the marketplace of ideas," he added. underpants Feb 2019 #57
KGOP screw the law, we make the law uponit7771 Feb 2019 #58
Has anyone cued the apologies, misspeaks and thoughts & prayers yet? KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2019 #62
Obstruction and tampering paleotn Feb 2019 #63
While everyone leaps to the assumption he's violated the law, the lawyer in me thinks that maybe not onenote Feb 2019 #64
And Gaetz is a drunk... world wide wally Feb 2019 #65
its time , way past time, to start locking up these criminal republicans. nt yaesu Feb 2019 #67
has anyone called for him to resign yet? Takket Feb 2019 #68
It's obvious why watoos Feb 2019 #69
And here's a fun fact: Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #71
This is the perfect response Gothmog Feb 2019 #75
White supremacist thug. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #76
LOCK HIM UP TheRealNorth Feb 2019 #77
Well, when you lie with dogs... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #78
Lock him up! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #80
The scumbag has since deleted his arthritisR_US Feb 2019 #83
Witness Tampering is a Felony--Gaetz Shouldn't Get a Pass dlk Feb 2019 #85
He went to law school? czarjak Feb 2019 #87

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
1. Wow. Just about to post this.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:31 PM
Feb 2019

As a member of congress, how on earth can he tweet something like this?

On edit: Just capturing the text of the tweet in case he deletes it:

Matt Gaetz

@mattgaetz
Hey @MichaelCohen212 - Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends? Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she’ll remain faithful when you’re in prison. She’s about to learn a lot...

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
51. He is not very smart
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:03 PM
Feb 2019

He proves it time and time again, very easy for him to do, he opens his mouth and that is it, he lets the World know his lack of intelligence.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
55. shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:10 PM
Feb 2019

I guess he should have not been so eager to help his master this time...

Both is a good word...

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
13. Someone in congresscritter Gaetz's Office better read up on:
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:39 PM
Feb 2019


18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(b), 1515(a)(1)(B).

snowybirdie

(5,227 posts)
44. We love Florida!
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:56 PM
Feb 2019

Not embarassed. The weather is wonderful this time of year while my hometown is 22 and snowing. If you don't like it, don't visit!

at140

(6,110 posts)
52. Tell me about it, spent most of my life in Chicago !
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:03 PM
Feb 2019

Happiest moment leaving Chicago was we sold the snow-blower LOL

snowybirdie

(5,227 posts)
84. Hey Chicago, Good Job
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 07:05 AM
Feb 2019

Tony Prepreckwinkle and Lori Lightfoot in a run off for Mayor. Both black women, one an openly gay woman. Changes are a comin to Chicago!

dem4decades

(11,294 posts)
16. Cohen should answer all questions about infidelity as something he learned from Mr. Trump.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:44 PM
Feb 2019

I will love to hear him call him Mr. Trump as he's detailing Trump's criminality.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
86. Maybe she'll turn out to have been complicit
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 03:08 PM
Feb 2019

Then she can get a cell of her own.

(May still not affect whether she's faithful, I suppose)

mia

(8,360 posts)
23. Trump does it, so other Republicans know that they can get away with it too.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:21 PM
Feb 2019

Legal experts: Trump committed witness tampering in plain sight
Legal experts are accusing Pres. Trump of obstruction and witness tampering because of what he said today on Twitter. This starts what could be the most consequential week of the Mueller investigation yet.

https://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/legal-experts-trump-committed-witness-tampering-in-plain-sight-1387862083610

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
60. I don't know that he will get away with it, we have not seen the Muller report
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:16 PM
Feb 2019

And I have a feeling there are a few pages on that report about obstruction of justice and witness tampering. I would not say he "gets away with it" yet, I am an optimist and I still think the orange buffoon and his family will pay for all the wrongdoing they have been involved in. Life has to be more just, and justice calls for crooks to pay their dues.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
61. Not unilaterally. It takes a majority vote
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:16 PM
Feb 2019

Of course, we have the majority now, so we could pass a resolution censuring him.

But keep in mind, the House has only censured one of its members 23 times in over 200 years, and only a handful of times in recent memory. So don't hold your breath.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
29. They act as if certain they have impunity.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:26 PM
Feb 2019

I really think our country lives or dies on the GOP's decision on siding with Trump/Russia, and what we can do to counter punch.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
30. ...so Matt's buddy Jim Jordan piped in about 8 hrs. ago...nothing prosecutable, I guess:
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:30 PM
Feb 2019
Tomorrow @OversightDems will hold their
first big hearing. For their first big witness, they
will roll out the red carpet for Michael Cohen

Here’s the problem: Michael Cohen is going to
prison in two months for several crimes, including
LYING TO CONGRESS






Keep tweeting, Gym, you can do better!!

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
40. And "Boss Hogg" is trending is trending at #8, raff!!
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:48 PM
Feb 2019

Tweets here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%22Boss+Hogg%22

Been a great day for a bit of rightie PUBLIC HUMILIATION

and I’m LOVIN IT!!

Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #31)

cab67

(2,993 posts)
32. I agree with some other commenters.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:37 PM
Feb 2019

Gaetz has crossed multiple lines here and should be censured by the House.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
33. Oh hey, so here's Mark Meadows, who apparently copied/pasted from Gym Jordan?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:39 PM
Feb 2019
Can’t make it up: tomorrow Oversight Committee
Democrats plan to bring in their first star witness of
this Congress, Michael Cohen.

Michael Cohen is going to prison in 2 months, for
crimes including... lying to Congress.






Could y’all be any LAZIER???!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,317 posts)
35. Gaetz taking one for the team - doing something to make the Cohen story "what girlfriends?"
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:40 PM
Feb 2019

and "is this legal?", rather than "Cohen has documentary evidence of Trump illegality"?

Why else do it in public?

wsbradshaw

(41 posts)
38. Mueller will never be done
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:42 PM
Feb 2019

This is exactly why the Mueller investigation will never be finished. Just when he is almost done something new pops up. Now he has to investigate Gaetz and all the people around him to see what makes him desperate enough to do something this stupid.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
79. Censred hell.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:18 PM
Feb 2019

This is a felony and punishavle by up to 20 years. A censure is meaningless. Joe McCarthy got censured and reelected.

underpants

(182,803 posts)
57. "This is what it looks like to compete in the marketplace of ideas," he added.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:11 PM
Feb 2019

Trump Ally Rep. Matt Gaetz Insists He’s Not Threatening Michael Cohen by Suggesting He’ll Expose ‘Girlfriends’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-ally-rep-matt-gaetz-insists-hes-not-threatening-michael-cohen-by-suggesting-his-wife-will-leave-him

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,491 posts)
62. Has anyone cued the apologies, misspeaks and thoughts & prayers yet?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:19 PM
Feb 2019

We can bet Faux has already reserved him a time slot with kneeling bench in waiting.

.......

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
63. Obstruction and tampering
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:23 PM
Feb 2019

are chargeable offenses. So is drunk driving. Something this pathetic little shithead is very familiar with.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
64. While everyone leaps to the assumption he's violated the law, the lawyer in me thinks that maybe not
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:26 PM
Feb 2019

I wish it was otherwise, but a careful reading of the relevant statutes offers Gaetz a number of arguments as to why his tweets don't violate the law.

First, the most relevant provision would appear to be 18 USC 1512, which states:

Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process;

The key is the "with intent to" element. What exactly was Gaetz' intent. Hard to prove it was to influence, delay or prevent Cohen's testimony since its not as if Gaetz can take back the information he has put out there, nor is there any indication in his tweet that what Gaetz does is conditioned on what Cohen says. And it would be hard to prove his intent was to cause Cohen not to testify or withhold testimony for the same reason.

Second, subsection (e) provides a defendant with an affirmative defense: (e) In a prosecution for an offense under this section, it is an affirmative defense, as to which the defendant has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence, that the conduct consisted solely of lawful conduct and that the defendant’s sole intention was to encourage, induce, or cause the other person to testify truthfully.

Tweeting is not unlawful conduct and Gaetz would undoubtedly argue that if he had any intent at all, it was to encourage Cohen to testify truthfully.

Gaetz is a monster, and his actions are reprehensible. But it's far from clear that he broke the law.

Takket

(21,568 posts)
68. has anyone called for him to resign yet?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:46 PM
Feb 2019

Given that Franken was called upon to resign immediately for kissing a woman long before he was a Senator, I would think by that standard Gaetz should be demanded to resign immediately for tampering with a witness as a SITTING rep.

if he refuses to resign he should be impeached. either way he should be arrested. this is open and shut witness tampering.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
78. Well, when you lie with dogs...
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:26 PM
Feb 2019

you get fleas. These are the types of people that Cohen aligned himself with.

But really, I guess these guys like Cohen and Stone aren't like this, but when you're in deep legal trouble, and you know you have serious powerful enemies, I would fess up to my wife about affairs (if she didn't already know), so that would take that threat off the table, and she'd hear it first from me. But it seems like these guys are convinced to the bitter end that they will get away with anything and everything. Never give up the ship.

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