So what happens if North Korea refuses to give up its nuclear capibililty? Is there much we can

[still_one]

realistically do?

What would happen if Trump said he would withdraw all troops from South Korea if NK said they would give up its nuclear capability?

[Pachamama]

1. I predict NK will say it will give up Nukes (but won't actually) and Trump will announce withdrawal

...of troops from SK and all hell will break loose....

[RKP5637]

3. tRump, is such a dope, this sounds quite plausible IMO. n/t

[still_one]

7. Reported on Bloomberg that Merkel said she dispairs trying to explain trade to President Trump.

and looking from over a year ago, I can understand why

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-eu-2017-4

[RKP5637]

2. They will never give it up, been working on it for years ... and, would anyone trust tRump! n/t

[Pachamama]

4. Kim is smart enough to know the fates of Saddam Hussein and Ghaddafhi.....

[RKP5637]

10. Yep!!! Exactly!!! Kim is no dope. n/t

[Pachamama]

11. One dope in a meeting is bad enough....

The egos alone must be unbearable.....

[RKP5637]

13. It must be absolutely incredible, bursting at the seams with massive egos! n/t

[marble falls]

5. Trump will spin it, don't worry. This is all about humiliating a President too stupid to realize it.

[exboyfil]

6. NK has probably been told to give Trump a win

by the Kremlin. I do have to wonder how the Chinese feel about the situation.

[Hortensis]

12. Nuclear NK Is a bigger problem for China

Potentially than for us. However, China is in a far better position to smack NK down if it becomes a problem. From what I’ve read, China is not afraid of a nuclear NK.

My guess is China has probably milked the NK part of its Trump advantage for most of what it can get, but that could be very wrong...

Before Trump, China had mostly abandoned its interest in NK since NK was a big nuisance and China didn’t need to worry about securing the peninsula as as geographic protection anymore. Now, thanks to trump, they’ve become new BFFs screwing the U.S. together, at least temporarily.

Of course, NK was almost certainly always going to get nukes because Kim sees them as necessary to his family regime’s survival.

China maintains a giant army on the border to keep 25m medieval-age NKeans from fleeing into China in event of a nuclear accident, attack, pandemic, etc.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. North Korea won't/can't give them up-- its nukes are its...

only bargaining chip, and the only thing stopping an invasion.

That's the way they see it, anyway. Besides, there is no way they would willingly lose face by opening their facilities.

So, once again they will promise us the stars then moon us. It's become routine at this point, and the trick is not to get them to give up nukes, but how to ensure they don't use them.

It's tough to believe China and/or Russia would back them up in a nuclear war with the US, so that could mean absolute destruction of the entire Korean peninsula if Kim goes too far starting things. (Apparently, Kim is taking the train to Hanoi because China won't even lend him a plane. Back him up in a war?)

And the world would change in ways we can't imagine. How low have we sunk that we have to trust North Korea more than our own White house?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. That's not an "if." They won't. They only person who thinks that's a possibility is Trump.

What would you have us do? The best we can do is come to terms with the fact that the NK is a nuclear power, and act accordingly from there. The U.S. lost this one. The question is whether it tries to keep losing, or not.