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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOur base may be shifting and we might need TX?! (Stipulating: based on Gallup and MF45 Approval)
Who in the world would have thought people hate Trump more in Texas than in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin? And, who would have thought that 40% of the people in Oregon and Virginia and DELAWARE would approve of this maniac! Notes: 270 Needed to win; Obama Approval at 2016 election - 53%)
A. Let's call safe, based on Dingbat's latest approval - Under 40% Approval:
State/Approval/EVs/Won EC 2016:
1. HI..26%..4..HRC
2. VT..28%..3..HRC
3. MA..29%..11..HRC
4. CA..29%..55..HRC
5. MD..31%..10..HRC
6. NY..32%..29..HRC
7. IL..35%..20..HRC
8. NJ..35%..14..HRC
9. NH..35%..4..HRC
10.RI..36%..4..HRC
11.WA..36%..12..HRC
12.CT..36%..7..HRC
13.ME..37%..4..HRC 3, DJT 1
14.NM..38%..5..HRC
15.MN..39%..10..HRC
16.CO..39%..9..HRC
17. DC...3..HRC
--**TOTAL CUMULATIVE ELECTORAL VOTES: 204
B. Add in Dingbat's approval - 40% approvals:
18.DE..40%..3..HRC
19.OR..40%..7..HRC
20.NV..40%..6..HRC
21.VA..40%..13..HRC
--**TOTAL CUMULATIVE ELECTORAL: 233 (2016- HRC: 232, DJT:1)
C. Add in Dingbat's approval - 41% approvals:
22.TX..41%..38..DJT
--**TOTAL CUMULATIVE ELECTORAL VOTES : 271 (2016- HRC 232, DJT: 39)
D. Add in Dingbat's approval - 42% approvals:
23.MI..42%..16..DJT
24.PA..42%..20..DJT
25.WI..42%..10..DJT
--TOTAL CUMULATIVE ELECTORAL VOTES: 317 - WITHOUT TEXAS, 279 - NEEDED TO WIN?:270
(2016 - HRC 232, DJT: 85)
E. Add in "NEW SWING" Dingbat's approval - =>43% and =<49% approvals:
26. FL..43%..29..DJT
27. AZ..43%..11..DJT
28. GA..44%..16..DJT
29. IO..45%..6..DJT
30. NC..45%..15..DJT
31. OH..48%..18..DJT
32. IN..48%..11..DJT
33. NE..49%..5..DJT
34. LA..49%..8..DJT
--TOTAL CUMULATIVE ELECTORAL VOTES: 436 - WITHOUT TEXAS, 398 - NEEDED TO WIN?:270
(2016- HRC: 232, DJT: 204)
SCARY
https://news.gallup.com/poll/247004/trump-job-approval-higher-states-2018.aspx
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/allocation.html
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)That would be a dream come true for me. Austin, El Paso, Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio would have to show up in record numbers at the polls for that to happen. But, it is possible, I think!! I live in NM and would love to see my neighbors, Texas and Arizona, join the blue tide.
irisblue
(32,974 posts)Newspaper writer that the DNC/DNC Senate Campaign was not putting boots on the ground & $ early enough and not reaching out to local talent. I would, seriously donate some of my 'widows mite' IF I felt-saw that the lessons learned were, in fact learned. Wasserman Schultz left burnt ash taste for me.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)of local Republicans on ballots which drags us down. I've been in TX 20 years and Beto has had the most local presence of any of our people.
Texas is possible...but it would take a Herculean effort to combat Facebook and Rush push against our candidate. And that would ONLY be if we didn't put a more progressive candidates in.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Of a way to combat the b******* they spread on Facebook.
Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)They try to come back with some made up "facts" and then I try to find non-NBC or CNN URL's to send them. Sometimes they just give up and I always HOPE someone reads the URL's I post to at least sway one voter at a time.
I also do the same thing on Twitter.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)account, which he has warned me against - since many are his clients who I can't piss off. Living in Central Texas, you wouldn't have friends or acquaintances if you didn't include wingnuts. Can you post to someone you are not friends with?
I may have told you, but I saw Beto climbing in polls and then he plateaued at the exact same time they started spreading bullshit about him.
Love what KLBJ guys call Facebook ---Mombook
Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)I usually respond to people commenting on local news. I agree about the Beto plateau I saw the same thing happen.
I don't use Facebook as much but I do use it mainly for my side business.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)push up Hispanic turnout in Texas and Arizona and elsewhere? Could that put those states in play?
I remember in 2008, African American turnout as a percentage of African Americans surpassed white turnout, at least partly due to Obama.
Texas was closer than Iowa in 2016, even though Iowa got a lot more attention. Georgia and Arizona were both closer than Ohio and we know Ohio got a lot of attention from both candidates.
Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)But then again Texas people really like their own people. Texans stick with other Texans so you never know.
HOWEVER...Castro might help win over Hispanic republicans (there are a lot of them surprisingly) and he might get more non-voting Hispanic people to vote.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)we would have to build up Hispanic participation to the hilt. If that could happen, Castro could be responsible for turning Texas blue for a very long time.
On a whole, I don't think there's an enormous bigotry against Hispanics here, in a border state. It's like the red, non-border states are more bigoted.
In my opinion, the most bigotry here in Texas, in my opinion, is against women first.
Like someone else said, (concentrate on finding a winning team for PA, WI, and MI) and if you can turn TX while doing the former, we will win.
Trump approval at 42% in each, PA, WI, and MI. Like to see that get under 40! since Gallup suggesting the magic number could be mid-forties.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Right now, the state party is talking to Beto, the Castro brothers and Wendy about running against Cornyn for senate. We have until mid December to file in Texas for Senate.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Beto can test the waters for president and then back out & run for senate if he doesn't make enough traction.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Personally, I would love Julian as VP and Beto to run for Senate but I could flip these two easily
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)would have a tough time knocking off Cornyn. Cruz is just off-putting as a person, while Corny may be just as bad politically, he doesn't give off the negative vibe that Cruz does, I don't think.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Texas is turning blue due to changes in demographics. Two more years of younger voters replacing older voters will help. The GOP is dependent on older white voters who are dying off and are being replaced by younger more diverse voters
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)any kind of wall. If lawsuits start with Texan landowners could get interesting
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)...and with them we don't need TX.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Likely. If we can solidify all four states we are totally in business.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)You know a lot more about Texas than me, but from an outsider's perspective it just seems like we've been hearing about TX turning purple for 20 years only to see a horrible unpopular dude like Ted Cruz hang on against a candidate that generates a lot of excitement. I realize midterms are always are a challenge for democrats due to demographics, but it was also a wave election.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Initech
(100,076 posts)It's getting old waiting for them to make a decision. And too often they make the wrong one.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)shelf - which they can't use.
Ohio, the same.
edhopper
(33,579 posts)once felons start voting.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and, it's not expected to make much of a difference
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Hope I'm wrong but the question is how many of them make it to the polls?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)ex felons have voted at rates of about 8-14%, extraordinarily low numbers.
https://medium.com/s/story/how-thousands-of-voting-ex-felons-could-impact-floridas-elections-ebc80388ff3d
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/11/2/18049510/felon-voting-rights-amendment-4-florida
Additionally, can't find the article, but I believe the felons in FL have to pay any outstanding fines/fees/taxes associated with their crimes to be able to get their rites restored. Many of these ex-felons just can't afford to pay out the money, and those that are less likely to be able to afford it are non-white ex-felons.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)to assume felons are a de facto Democratic voting bloc.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)If they vote anything like non-felons along racial lines then it should be a strong Democratic block... if they show up in significant numbers.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)And a landslide is not happening against an incumbent. I realize people don't want to hear that, but I'll stick with the long term fundamentals.
Many other states would join before Texas would. Those upper midwestern states and Pennsylvania obviously are the greatest regain opportunities, because they didn't shift in ideology in the first place. All had a gap of 9% or lower between conservatives and liberals. That remains by far the best reference point, and not approval rating or polling or anything involving subjectivity. A state with a 10% or lower gap will trend Democratic. Then once it reaches 11% or 12% it is iffy but leaning right, and at 13% gap and above the state will vote red.
Florida, for example, had an 11% gap in 2016 -- 36% conservatives to 25% liberals. Arizona showed promise in 2016 when the gap dropped to only 13% at 40% conservatives to 27% liberals. That meant it was in play given a favorable national slant and favorable candidate matchup. I emphasized immediately after the 2016 result that Arizona was next in line, and not Georgia or Texas or any of the other touted states.
My state of Florida remains the tease. I understand the negativity due to all the razor tight defeats, often defying polling and expectation. But I have also witnessed Republican operatives much more sophisticated and energized than Democrats in my neighborhood, and read online accounts that it is hardly isolated. We are simply being outmaneuvered in Florida. However, this state is exponentially more likely to tilt our way than Texas is right now.
Texas has 44% self-identified conservatives. The 2016 exit poll was 44% conservatives and 20% liberals. It is the reason Beto could not win. I emphasized that beforehand. I bet heavily on Ted Cruz due to the math, despite despising Cruz. That wager was an extreme bargain given the makeup of the Texas electorate. Again, I'll stick with my reference points even if they are seldom mentioned elsewhere.
Beto's push cut the Texas gap to 43% to 22% in the 2018 exit poll. That is excellent given a midterm but you can see how far away it is. We need flocks of new young voters and Hispanic voters. One cycle won't be nearly enough. Frankly I can't believe how many dunces want Beto to run for senate against Coryn. The math would kill him again and his buzz and career would really take a hit, perhaps never to fully recoup.
The Texas 2018 exit poll had Trump's approval rating square at 49-49. Trump is more popular with actual voters than in generic polling. That is the reason I continue to insist our adjustments are in the wrong direction. If Trump has a 45% approval on election day 2020 it will probably be closer to 48 or 49% among actual voters. That's why it is imperative that his approval number remains where it is now and not just a few points higher. We are no longer the betting favorite if his approval rating goes up 2-3% from where it is right now.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Texas is turning blue and there will be greater turnout for a POTUS year. Time will tell. We have people signing up to run for 6 swing congressional districts already. A friend is holding a fund raiser for a state representative seat next month. We are having a great deal of interest.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and it was almost the same Ohio
Iowa was +9.3% for Trump over Clinton
TX was +8.99% for Trump
Ohio was +8.13% for Trump
2012:
Ohio was +3% for Obama
TX was +16% for Romney
IA was +5.8% for Obama
2008:
Iowa was +9.6% for Obama
TX was +12% for McCain
Ohio was +4.5% for Obama
Agree that Texas is a long-shot, but it's trending in the right direction as opposed to Ohio and Iowa. And, all those wealthy suburbs of Dallas, Houston and Austin are not going to be happy not be losing at least some of their property tax deductions due to the Trump/Ryan tax scam eliminating SALT deductions over 10K - Texas may still be a "low cost" state overall, but many of those suburbs pay for good public schools through high property taxes.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Religious reasons, and their priests are telling them that abortion and LGBTQ are the most important issues for anyone who is "on God's side."
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)but not to blue just yet. I predicted 10 years ago or so that Texas may turn Blue for a presidential election in 2028.
Lots of work needed to be done by the Dem party in TX though. A serious push has to start ASAP.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)to every county, some more than once. Hell, his office here in nowhere Texas, still has the Beto sign up.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)Love Beto. Love to see him for for Prez some day, but for now he could be more valuable as a Senator helping set the foundation to turn TX Blue from the bottom up imho.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)in place. Dem candidate could co-op. And, it could be kind of like a ticket...senator plus president.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)The only thing that would prevent it from happening is if we have a really crazy nominee, like Tulsi Gabbard.
I'm sure that won't happen, our Party will remain sane and we'll have great ticket. Also we need to stop burning bridges with the Bernie Sanders camp. Perhaps Bernie can be invited on the ticket as the VP nominee?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)We need to avoid the nastiness of 2016. There's no need for it, we can all work together and achieve greatness together.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,490 posts)On Sunday, Quinnipiac called. I was at my dad's and I picked up the phone to participate in the poll. Of course when they asked about Trump, I said most definitely I will not be voting for him and gave him a low approval rating.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)riversedge
(70,218 posts)raging moderate
(4,305 posts)Vote them out! Everywhere!