The Bible got it wrong, Adam was created from Eve's rib

[Miigwech]

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Now I know why religions hates science!

Geneticists have discovered that all human embryos start life as females, as do all embryos of mammals. About the 2nd month the fetal tests elaborate enough androgens to offset the maternal estrogens and maleness develops. The discussion of clitoral vs. vaginal orgasm is meaningless because orgasm is the result of muscular stretching and fluid produced by the veins filling the fatty tissues. The process is exactly the same in males and females. From a scientific viewpoint there is only 1 kind of orgasm, the ''myovascular orgasm.''

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4470128

[malaise]

1. Duh!

Now you know why men wrote it - it is part of subjugation.
What the hell is born of the rib of any fucking thing on this planet.
The other stupid lie is the virgin birth.
Think how many young women were told that shit by their predator pastors.

[Glamrock]

4. Daaaaamn girl!

You're cursing like a Glamrock! Everything okay?

Seriously though, you're damn right! Preach on sister!

[Lochloosa]

11. I love it when she talks dirty.

[Glamrock]

14. Haaaaa!

And she doesn't do it too often either! This is a rare treat!

Love u malaise!

[malaise]

26. Love you back bro

I'll do it for science - I hate ignorance and superstition.

[Glamrock]

33. That's why I loves ya!

Great minds baby!

PS. Recovering Catholic school boy
K-12, although I'd lost the faith and gone athiest by 11Th grade...

Now if I could just lose the guilt surrounding sex.....

[malaise]

35. ex-Catholics are serious atheists

same history although I was agnostic at 12 - having an aunt who had nothing to do with religion helped big time.

[Glamrock]

38. I wish!

Had to figure it out on me own.

My first step was when the school had a married couple come in and talk to us about....I don't remember what they called it. But basically they only partook in relations when she couldn't get pregnant. Rhythmic something or other? Of course, I got sent to the office for asking questions. For instance: "Aren't you just as guilty of sin as someone on the pill or someone using condoms? The sin isn't latex or pills. The sin is sex without the intention of procreation. If you're deliberately "doing it" (yes, that's what I said) when there's no chance of being impregnated, isn't it the same thing?"

The second step was when they made us watch a eight month abortion. Graphic as shit. Horrifying. But, knowing it was rare and only performed when medically necessary, I saw it for what it was....brainwashing. Pure and simple.

Once I realized I was being brainwashed, the questions came forth like a dam breaking. And now I'm a horrible, soulless, sinner.

[malaise]

41. Dad wasn't Catholic - he was Scots Kirk

and he always laughed at Catholicism. I remember my youngest sister asking permission to go on a weekend retreat where they were going to have sex education seminars. Dad laughed and said the priest wasn't supposed to know anything and if he did, they should kick him out. Mom was not amused but we howled with laughter.

[Glamrock]

42. Sounds like I'd have loved your dad!

He had a mind like me own, apparently!

[malaise]

54. He was smart and funny

His big sis had the most influence on me

[AllyCat]

43. Wow, so me and Mr. AC are not alone

[malaise]

25. Hehehhe

[malaise]

20. LOL

[littlemissmartypants]

45. ...

[Miigwech]

12. Well said!

[ProudLib72]

37. You mean...the virgin birth isn't a real thing???!!!?!?

Next you're going to tell me there's not Santa Claus!

You're a big meanie, Malaise!

[SoCalDem]

50. and the Easter bunny got run over by a truck..decades ago

[malaise]

53. I had a great joke with my mom on that virgin birth story

As Catholic as she was, she never bought that one.

[littlemissmartypants]

40. +1000 nt

[CrispyQ]

2. Man created God to control woman.

They even co-opted the birth process & pulled Eve out of Adam's side. I know an adult woman who believes that men have one less rib than women do.

[itsrobert]

3. A small group of poweful men created God

to control everyone else. Getting almost 50 percent of the population to buy-in by making men superior was part of the plan.

[Blue_true]

49. Organized religion itself is a control device.

The stories in the bible are situation accountings of attempts to control populations or make them view themselves as more special than other groups around them. The warning against spilling one's seed or men sleeping with men was done to insure the birth of more babies to provide future warriors, that was also why male babies were preferred and held in higher esteem than female babies.

[malaise]

21. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Ignorance is never bliss.

[AllyCat]

44. I was told that nonsense as a kid.

[trev]

61. There are a lot of Christians who believe that.

[tirebiter]

5. Lilith might see things differently

Eve was the second wife. Just sayin

[PJMcK]

22. You know, that's pretty interesting

One of the curiosities of the Old Testament to me is that the first chapter of Genesis tells the tale of god's creation. Then we turn the page to the second chapter and we read a very different creation story where the events happen in a different order. That's a very strange inconsistency at the very beginning of the book.

Stranger still is the ability of Christians to mash the two chapters together to come up with a more consistent tale.

Then we get to the real fun of trying to explain that Adam had two wives! Crazy stuff.

It's all just a myth, anyway.

[localroger]

46. Isaac Asimov went through the whole thing

...verse by verse in his book In the Beginning, and he even reconstructed the two original documents which were mashed together to create the final product.

[LiberalFighter]

55. There were apparently two groups of writers back then that they merged their

writings.

[trev]

63. Not to mention

that the stories were co-opted from the Babylonians in the first place.

[stopbush]

72. There's also two versions of the Ten Commandments

and two different dates for when Jesus was supposedly born.

History the Buybull ain’t.

[Oneironaut]

6. The Bible itself condones rape among other things.

It is also hilariously inaccurate in its attempts to explain the world / science, like a book written ~2000 years ago by only people would be.

[mr_lebowski]

7. I thought that was long-ago elucidated ... and indeed, article is from 1974 :) (nt)

[Lisa0825]

18. Yes, I attended a lecture on it back in the early 90s. (described in a response down-thread) nt

[sorcrow]

8. Actually Eve was created first with three breasts...

Actually Eve was created first with three breasts. When God consulted her to create a partner from a body part, she said, "Well, I have this useless boob here." The rest as they say is history.

Regards,
Crow

[chowder66]

13. lol. nt

[PJMcK]

23. Brilliant (n/t)

[Blue_true]

51. Clever. nt

[lunatica]

67. LOL!

[dweller]

9. that's a genetic fact.. all mammals begin as female

and all birds and reptiles begin as males, until the hormones differentiate...

I guess the male needs the eggshell for extra protection?
🤔

and then there's the platypus... a whole nother ball of wax 😆
✌🏼️

[Miigwech]

16. You just blew my mind!

[dweller]

65. my pleasure

and you just made my day 😍

✌🏼️

[trev]

64. And the seahorse

for whom the male becomes pregnant.

Not to mention snails, slugs and worms, which are hermaphroditic.

[lindysalsagal]

10. Disputing divergent nuances of b.s. is a common diversion.

For childish minds.

[Lisa0825]

15. I used to work in molecular bio at a large university hospital.

We regularly had visiting speakers, and one of them spoke on this very subject. In order to generate buzz for his seminar, he entitled it "On the disorder of being male: The toxic effects of androgens on the female embryo."

[Miigwech]

17. Haahahhahhha

[IluvPitties]

19. Adam and Eve lacked critical thinking skills.

Why would you listen to a snake in the first place?

[leftofcool]

24. Well, I don't know about that. If a snake speaks to me, I might want to hear what he has to say.

Depends on the snake

[Blue_true]

52. If a snake speaks to me, I am not sticking around to see what comes next. nt

[ProudLib72]

39. King James got the translation wrong

It's really the "Tree of Critical Thinking Skills" that the apple (actually pomegranate) came from.

But consider how many are still listening to the orange snake in the WH!

[Mosby]

27. There are a lot of creation stories.

The Black Cloud represented the Female Being or Substance. For as a child sleeps when being nursed, so life slept in the darkness of the Female Being. The White Cloud represented the Male Being or Substance. He was the Dawn, the Light Witch Awakens, of the First World.

In the East, at the place where the Black Cloud and the White Cloud met, First Man, was formed ; and with him was formed the white corn, perfect in shape, with kernels covering the whole ear. Dohonotini is the name of this first seed corn, and it is also the name of the place where the Black Cloud and the White Cloud met.

The First World was small in size, a floating island in mist or water.

On it there grew one tree, a pine tree, which was later brought to the present world for firewood.

Man was not, however, in his present form. The conception was of a male and a female being who were to become man and woman.

The creatures of the First World are thought of as the Mist People they had no definite form, but were to change to men, beasts, birds, and reptiles of this world.

Now on the western side of the First World, in a place that later was to become the Land of Sunset, there appeared the Blue Cloud, and opposite it there appeared the Yellow Cloud. Where they came together First Woman was formed, and with her the yellow corn.

This ear of corn was also perfect. With First Woman there came the white shell and the turquoise and the yucca.

First Man stood on the eastern side of the First World. He represented the Dawn and was the Life Giver. First Woman stood opposite in the West. She represented Darkness and Death.

First Man burned a crystal for a fire. The crystal belonged to the male and was the symbol of the mind and of clear seeing. When First Man burned it, it was the mind’s awakening. First Woman burned her turquoise for a fire. They saw each other’s lights in the distance.

When the Black Cloud and the White Cloud rose higher in the sky First Man set out to find the turquoise light. He went twice without success, and again a third time ; then he broke a forked branch from his tree, and, looking through the fork, he marked the place where the light burned. And the fourth time he walked to it and found smoke coming from a home.

“Here is the home I could not find,” First Man said.

First Woman answered : “Oh, it is you. I saw you walking around and I wondered why you did not come. ” Again the same thing happened when the Blue Cloud and the Yellow Cloud rose higher in the sky. First Woman saw a light and she went out to find it. Three times she was unsuccessful, but the fourth time she saw the smoke and she found the home of First Man.

“I wondered what this thing could be,” she said.

“I saw you walking and I wondered why you did not come to me,” First Man answered.

First Woman saw that First Man had a crystal for a fire, and she saw that it was stronger than her turquoise fire. And as she was thinking, First Man spoke to her. “Why do you not come with your fire and we will live together. ” The woman agreed to this. So instead of the man going to the woman, as is the custom now, the woman went to the man.

.....

http://navajopeople.org/blog/navajo-creation-story-the-first-world-nihodilhil-black-world/

[Wolf Frankula]

28. Eve left Adam and ran away with the snake.

How do I know? Adam told me.

Wolf

[2exp4x3x31]

29. title is unsupported by body text

There's a lot of missing steps needed to get from "human embryos start out as female" to "god could have created a male human from a female rib but not the other way around"

[TexasTowelie]

58. So for your username you gave an expression equal to 1488?

[George II]

62. That was about 600 years ago? Missed by about 1400 years from "BC" I guess.

[TexasTowelie]

66. Perhaps they were honing in on this historical event?

[Maru Kitteh]

70. 1488 is a common white supremacist numerical hate sign.

1488 is a combination of two popular white supremacist numeric symbols. The first symbol is 14, which is shorthand for the "14 Words" slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." The second is 88, which stands for "Heil Hitler" (H being the 8th letter of the alphabet). Together, the numbers form a general endorsement of white supremacy and its beliefs. As such, they are ubiquitous within the white supremacist movement - as graffiti, in graphics and tattoos, even in screen names and e-mail addresses, such as [e-mail]. Some white supremacists will even price racist merchandise, such as t-shirts or compact discs, for $14.88.

The symbol is most commonly written as 1488 or 14/88, but variations such as 14-88 or 8814 are also common.

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1488

[trof]

30. No shit? I was a girl?

Well, THAT explains a lot.

[LiberalFighter]

31. But how did god come into being? Someone's rib?

[GReedDiamond]

59. A Goddess' rib...nt

[lunatica]

68. God was a Goddess first if you believe in science

[guillaumeb]

32. Metaphor.

The Bible was correct.

The Hebrew word for man (adam) is the generic term for mankind and becomes the proper name Adam. “The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living” Eve sounds like the Hebrew for life-giver and resembles the word for living

https://www.quora.com/Who-named-Adam-and-Eve

Thus we have, beneath the literal meaning of the story, the metaphorical and correct meaning that all (eve) life comes from the (adam) earth.

[Frank Leemydear]

34. The Bible Got it Wrong

Period.

[Gore1FL]

48. It did have the golden rule. I know it's not a thought original to the bible, but it got that right.

I know the story is fiction, but it has a few gems. So does Harry Potter. So does Star Wars.

[magicarpet]

36. No it was Adam's dog,... but it got misspelled,...

... and it erroneously came out "God",..

Folks weren't so argumentative back then so they just went with it.

And the word "God" stuck - down through the ages.

[The Liberal Lion]

47. Honestly I learned this in 10th grade biology class in the early 90's.

at least about gender, not about the orgasm part

[dameatball]

56. So, if I was going to open a BBQ joint should I name it "Adam's Ribs" or "Eve's Ribs?"

small town here with few geneticists.

Ok...no geneticists. Most people around here share the same genes. It's like 300 years of pot luck.

[lunatica]

69. LOL!

[delisen]

57. A clone gone awry?

[trev]

60. This is actually old news.

I knew this back in the 1990s.

The facts didn't change anything among conservatives then, and they won't now.

[stopbush]

71. The Buy-bull.

[DonViejo]

73. Locking...

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