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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:52 PM Feb 2019

Trump has not committed treason, but he is a traitor.

Traitor; To betray. A person who betrays anothers trust or is false to an obligation or DUTY. A person who is not loyal to his country.
A traitor says one thing and does another. Trump , Manafort, Stone and others are all traitors.

Trump is traitor and the Mueller report better fucking prove it. I am tired of this fucking traitor and I am tired of the stupidity of the Trump voters. I am tired of the news media not calling out Trump for who he really is, A fucking traitor.

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Trump has not committed treason, but he is a traitor. (Original Post) shockey80 Feb 2019 OP
I forgot to add this. shockey80 Feb 2019 #1
I'm not sure how that works. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2019 #2
Yes. shockey80 Feb 2019 #6
Russia cannot be officially labeled our enemy because we are not at war. Treason is for war time. shockey80 Feb 2019 #7
Unsubstantiated hypothesis on "treason" Tetrachloride Feb 2019 #3
And then there is North Korea. Meeting in Hanoi no less. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #4
We all know what treason is as far as we're concerned. Hortensis Feb 2019 #5
 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
1. I forgot to add this.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:55 PM
Feb 2019

I do not believe Trump has committed Treason. However, if he gave away secrets to Russia or others that could be treason.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
2. I'm not sure how that works.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:03 PM
Feb 2019

Can one be a traitor without committing treason? Can one commit treason without being a traitor?

IMO, they nearly completely overlap. I think that, in the final analysis, it won't matter, and that it will be a distinction without a difference.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
7. Russia cannot be officially labeled our enemy because we are not at war. Treason is for war time.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:34 PM
Feb 2019

Officially Trump cannot be charged with treason. Now if Trump gave secrets to Russia that is a whole new ball game.

Trump is a Traitor because he broke his oath of office. He failed to protect, defend America. He denied Russia attacked us because the person who attacked us told Trump he didn't do it. That's the definition of a traitor.

Tetrachloride

(7,865 posts)
3. Unsubstantiated hypothesis on "treason"
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:08 PM
Feb 2019

Your original post does not contain the word "treason" except in the headline. Thank you for your followup post.

This is a very good topic.

I surmise that a great many DU members agree that there is a strong possibility of treason as defined by law.

Among these, stealing or colluding to steal the presidential election and therefore Office of the President in my book is treason. The lawyers among us may debate these words.

In conclusion, DU members and Robert Mueller, please bring the full force of evidence and law to this topic.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. We all know what treason is as far as we're concerned.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:24 PM
Feb 2019

What 300,000,000 people think matters, not just the narrow definition used by the federal judicial system.

No matter what legal findings and charges turn out to be, Trump is a traitor because he has betrayed, i.e., committed treason against, our nation, and the same goes for many other of today's Republicans in and out of government.

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