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UK Labour Party leads Tories WITHOUT Corbyn as leader, trail by 8% with him. (Original Post) RandySF Feb 2019 OP
That's striking. DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #1
Not a surprise. nycbos Feb 2019 #2
People are waking up to the reality of what "Democratic Socialism" is all about... CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #3
Labour was socialist long before Corbyn. DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #4
I'm struggling to remember the industries that were collectivized by Tony Blair... CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #5
"Democratic socialism" worked pretty well in 1945... First Speaker Feb 2019 #6
Not that flavor of socialism DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #8
That's all flavors of Socialism, "Democratic Socialism included. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #10
There will be a leadership challenge. roamer65 Feb 2019 #7
Nobody but Corbyn could lose in this situation (nt) Recursion Feb 2019 #9
Corbyn sucks so bad. he isn't even a liberal with his bigotry JI7 Feb 2019 #11
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
3. People are waking up to the reality of what "Democratic Socialism" is all about...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 07:31 PM
Feb 2019

And they don’t like what they see.

Labour should be a lock to take the majority, but not with Corbyn.

Let’s learn from the UKs mistake.

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
5. I'm struggling to remember the industries that were collectivized by Tony Blair...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 08:16 PM
Feb 2019

when he lead non-socialists to the majority.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
6. "Democratic socialism" worked pretty well in 1945...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 10:04 PM
Feb 2019

...but had reached the point of diminishing returns by the 1970s. Thatcher, of course, was the beneficiary of *that* little fact. The True Believer Michael Foot learned the lesson the hard way, as did Pinnock. Yes, Blair led Labour out of the wilderness, but if I were a Labour supporter, I would feel frustrated that he had gone too far in the other direction. That feeling led, of course, to Corbyn, and the truth of Marx's maxim--history always repeats, first as tragedy--the Thatcher years--the second time, as farce. Only Corbyn could save the Tories in this situation. He has to be the biggest fool to ever lead a major British party. (That doesn't include Jeremy Thorpe, needless to say.)

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
10. That's all flavors of Socialism, "Democratic Socialism included.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:43 AM
Feb 2019

Social Democracy isn't "Democratic Socialism" or vice versa.

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