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lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 12:41 PM Feb 2019

Who edits and splices together a misleading video of children in order to advance an agenda?



doctored
altered; falsified; skewed; manipulated

Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception.
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Who edits and splices together a misleading video of children in order to advance an agenda? (Original Post) lapucelle Feb 2019 OP
UGH Iliyah Feb 2019 #1
What gets me is that they ran the clip without really checking into its authenticity to ensure ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #2
The OP for the original flame fest said "It's all over Face Book." So obviously it must be true... Hekate Feb 2019 #19
Absolutely true and a truly sad thing in that people fall for such things so easily. Nothing ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #22
I've seen it there twice. But if people like me don't counter it, then who will? n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #45
My heartfelt thanks for being there to do it. Hekate Feb 2019 #50
Apparently a group called the "Justice Democrats". I had not heard of them. Will avoid in future. manor321 Feb 2019 #3
It's the group AOC is part of jmowreader Feb 2019 #4
so they are no better than the rights Tea Party samnsara Feb 2019 #5
She filed her FEC "Statement of Candidacy" using a Knoxville Tennessee address... George II Feb 2019 #42
No, they are legitimately worried that oldsters DemocracyMouse Feb 2019 #59
So supposed friends of Democrats post a post so doctored GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #75
I don't think they give their legitimate concerns any support by posting doctored videos pnwmom Feb 2019 #77
The doctored video worked on you. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #90
Senator Feinstein is not almighty God. Pobeka Feb 2019 #102
Wrong on all counts. Feinstein has been fighting for the environment for decades. yardwork Feb 2019 #108
We'll be hearing from them more and more.... VarryOn Feb 2019 #10
So you're telling us there's a 'new' group we should disrespect/hate/ignore? elleng Feb 2019 #13
Bad parents. underpants Feb 2019 #6
This is how we lost Al Franken Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #7
Yes. NOthing is safe. elleng Feb 2019 #14
100% agreed pandr32 Feb 2019 #82
Would like to see THIS discussed and covered: elleng Feb 2019 #8
What do you mean? nt LAS14 Feb 2019 #9
Look at FACTS, not propaganda. elleng Feb 2019 #12
Sorry, I'm still uncertain about whether you are in support... LAS14 Feb 2019 #17
The OP appears to be seeking facts, and encouraging others to do so. elleng Feb 2019 #18
That, indeed, is what the OP is doing. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #20
Ah, OK. Thanks for sticking with me. nt LAS14 Feb 2019 #21
Assholes ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #11
Honestly not surprised. We can expect more of this shit. JHan Feb 2019 #15
her record.... JHan Feb 2019 #16
Nathan Phillips? hughee99 Feb 2019 #23
Did he do that? ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #24
I saw the first video and then the full video, and that seems to be what happened. hughee99 Feb 2019 #25
It wasn't that misleading, don't get too hung up on the right wing victimhood display Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #61
So you watched the first video, then you watched the full video hughee99 Feb 2019 #94
I saw a bunch of religious bigots who happened to be black and Jewish Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #96
In the originally released version, you had a bunch of white kids harassing hughee99 Feb 2019 #98
In this "selectively edited" video as you call it Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #99
See, the easy part from my standpoint is that I do not hughee99 Feb 2019 #103
Chose to ignore any other reason these kids might have an issue with them Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #105
My point was that context matters. The first video took all of it out. hughee99 Feb 2019 #107
Pretty much Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #109
Just to clarify, the reason I don't care about your opinion isn't because it doesn't matter, it's hughee99 Feb 2019 #112
I am curious the name Sunshine Veritas is used for the group kimbutgar Feb 2019 #26
The group is called th Sunshine Movement. Sunshine Veritas is a rip on the O'keefe style editing. nt chowder66 Feb 2019 #52
Republicans, of course. ooky Feb 2019 #27
Hacks who don't have a shred on intellectual honesty emulatorloo Feb 2019 #28
Who does this? DURHAM D Feb 2019 #29
Disgusting. But then again Cenk's people are involved. George II Feb 2019 #30
K&R for later. This needs to be investigated. R B Garr Feb 2019 #31
Those kids were not "empowered" or insightful - they were spouting brainwashed imprinted stuff UTUSN Feb 2019 #32
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2019 #33
Get Ready for a Flood of Propaganda on the Internet Between Now and 2020 dlk Feb 2019 #34
What's their agenda? jalan48 Feb 2019 #35
They posted this on twitter. I'm looking through it now and will check their FB page where Autumn Feb 2019 #37
Thanks. I'm just curious about the "agenda" thing. jalan48 Feb 2019 #39
Their agenda seems to be climate centered from looking through the twitter feeds. Autumn Feb 2019 #40
Looking around, twitter and different places I'm shocked at how the reaction to the kids, GND Autumn Feb 2019 #70
The most important question is how are we are going to deal with climate change? jalan48 Feb 2019 #72
The fossil fuel industry will fight anything that threatens them. They have fought science for years Autumn Feb 2019 #80
Yes. That's why I'm happy to see these young folks out protesting and asking for action. jalan48 Feb 2019 #81
It's well past time. Where is the urgency? Climate change is going to be a catastrophe of historic Autumn Feb 2019 #83
I know right. And one of the first things Feinstein said when the kid asked about her support jalan48 Feb 2019 #84
That was a WTF moment. The girl who brought up the bloated military budget captured my heart. See Autumn Feb 2019 #85
I've been following Greta in the news. Her actions are barely being noticed here in the US. It is jalan48 Feb 2019 #87
It needs to be cut. Our politicians, D's and R's overwhelmingly voted to give the military 82 Autumn Feb 2019 #89
It's the elephant in the room that never gets debated in any meaningful way. jalan48 Feb 2019 #93
It almost seems so. Autumn Feb 2019 #95
The video was indeed doctored. lapucelle Feb 2019 #43
It was edited. But nothing was there that wasn't said, nothing was added to it. nt Autumn Feb 2019 #53
It was manipulated. Pieces were cut out and then spliced together. It's propaganda. lapucelle Feb 2019 #60
Edited yes. But nothing was added or falsified and the full video was available on their page. Autumn Feb 2019 #62
Manipulative editing is a propaganda technique. lapucelle Feb 2019 #64
I'm not defending it. I'm just posting what I see, like you are doing. Autumn Feb 2019 #66
I didn't say you were defending it, lapucelle Feb 2019 #67
Yes, but only those who are morally bankrupt edit to distort honest dialogue. lapucelle Feb 2019 #106
Ask those doctored the video, those who posted it, and those who promoted it. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #44
You are the one saying "their agenda" not me. jalan48 Feb 2019 #48
Here's the definition of the word: lapucelle Feb 2019 #57
That's just a definition. You thought it was important enough to use it in the headline of jalan48 Feb 2019 #58
I think their agenda is their list or outline of things to be considered or done lapucelle Feb 2019 #63
They want her to resign and their candidate be put in her place. haele Feb 2019 #71
I don't think they believe they can get Feinstein to leave office, she's very powerful and was just jalan48 Feb 2019 #74
There's a good reason Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #36
Propaganda in the service of worthy goal is still propaganda. lapucelle Feb 2019 #51
By nature and definition Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #54
Can you even imagine Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #38
I know what you mean ornotna Feb 2019 #46
Not sure why Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #47
It seemed out of place ornotna Feb 2019 #49
Was it about Jared? MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #91
Yep Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #92
Pfft ... you ain't seen nothing yet Auggie Feb 2019 #41
Project Veritas, and Justice Dems...nt SidDithers Feb 2019 #55
when a person starts with *I'm no fan of Feinstein* Kurt V. Feb 2019 #56
justice democrats Cha Feb 2019 #65
david hogg is a justice democrat? Kurt V. Feb 2019 #68
No. Cha Feb 2019 #69
ah, ok. was wondering why that first tweet you posted above was calling hogg ironic, Kurt V. Feb 2019 #78
Ordinary marketing professionals and outlets? loyalsister Feb 2019 #73
Those kids were used to create false propaganda about R B Garr Feb 2019 #79
Funny thing is loyalsister Feb 2019 #88
This was just a hit job on Feinstein by Justice Democrats. R B Garr Feb 2019 #100
Republicans say the same thing when they get caught being rude to constituents loyalsister Feb 2019 #101
Repubs LIE. This was a fucking Hit JOB Cha Feb 2019 #104
She wasn't rude. How ridiculous to compare this hit job R B Garr Feb 2019 #111
ReTHUGs and their hired goons malaise Feb 2019 #76
Justice Democrats are not fooling anyone. Looks like they R B Garr Feb 2019 #86
From Senator Feinstein Gothmog Feb 2019 #97
Despicable. The last time I saw anyone using children as props to forward a political agenda.... George II Feb 2019 #110

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
2. What gets me is that they ran the clip without really checking into its authenticity to ensure ...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 12:46 PM
Feb 2019

there was no altered content. Obviously someone didn't do their job.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
19. The OP for the original flame fest said "It's all over Face Book." So obviously it must be true...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:00 PM
Feb 2019

Because, as we all know by now, FB is is a fountain of Truth.

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
22. Absolutely true and a truly sad thing in that people fall for such things so easily. Nothing ...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:12 PM
Feb 2019

like exercising a little common sense and discretion in what to believe (or not believe).

A working mind is indeed an amazing thing.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
4. It's the group AOC is part of
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 12:56 PM
Feb 2019

Their job seems to be to purge Congress of the Democrats they don’t like.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. She filed her FEC "Statement of Candidacy" using a Knoxville Tennessee address...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:04 PM
Feb 2019

...which at the time happened to be Justice Democrats' address. It wasn't changed to a Corona Queens address until after the election, on November 20.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00630665/1195264/

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/H8NY15148/1161740/

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/H8NY15148/1291739/

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
59. No, they are legitimately worried that oldsters
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:31 PM
Feb 2019

don't understand that we aren't taking both global warming and the economic divide seriously.

And most of those GND folks are DEMOCRATS TOO.

Feinstein seemed tone deaf to the reality those kids have to face long after the over 50 set are dead. If I had to choose between sets of Democrats, I'm with the kids, even though I'm one of the older Democrats.

In truth what we need to focus on is how we're going to address what is essentially a cold war against Big Oil. This post about editing is further dividing us and once again avoiding the real issue: how are we SERIOUSLY addressing global warming.

We have 12 years.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
75. So supposed friends of Democrats post a post so doctored
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 05:53 PM
Feb 2019

It is in essence a lie.

And somehow calling out that loathsome act is being divisive?

Are you upset the truth came out?

The people are interested in one thing: power. Oif issues were their concern they would be working with the Democratic Party to solve the issues.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
77. I don't think they give their legitimate concerns any support by posting doctored videos
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:02 PM
Feb 2019

of people they should be trying to win over.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
102. Senator Feinstein is not almighty God.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 08:59 PM
Feb 2019

It was completely unreasonable:

a) to expect she'd have time for an unscheduled meeting, (but in fact she did make some time)
b) to expect that the entire senate is going to do anything she asks them to do.

It does no one any good to fail to advance climate change correcting legisltation through the senate because it's too extreme. Senator Feinstein knows that and explained that.

Like it or not, step by step we'll have to address climate change in our partisan government. There is no magic bullet to just push through whatever you want.

The place to address our anger is at the doorstep of GOP politicians, who defy their own children's needs for a secure future. DEM's can only do what the GOP allows on this issue, at least until we have a veto-proof house, senate and whitehouse.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
10. We'll be hearing from them more and more....
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 01:27 PM
Feb 2019

Although we might largely agree on the issues with them, it's their approach that many will problematic. It will be their way or the highway. And party "elders" like Feinstein will get zero respect. Her video is a direct indication of what to expect.

They esentially believe most Dems need to be booted and replaced with very progressive, vocal and active Justice Dems. Some, if not all, the more "disruptive" freshmen House members are Justice Democrats.

They have already begun targeting sitting Democratic congressional members for elimination in 2020 .

elleng

(130,921 posts)
13. So you're telling us there's a 'new' group we should disrespect/hate/ignore?
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 01:36 PM
Feb 2019

'They essentially believe most Dems need to be booted and replaced.'

'Welcome' to DU.

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
7. This is how we lost Al Franken
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 01:22 PM
Feb 2019

Yes, DiFi is no Franken. But the ratf&ckery is the same. No one is safe when this tactic of blowing up a false narrative is employed.

elleng

(130,921 posts)
8. Would like to see THIS discussed and covered:
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 01:24 PM
Feb 2019

'The way they edited the video, it looks like Feinstein walks out and yells at the kids and then leaves. That’s not what happened. It was a 15-20 minute visit that went pretty well. I watched the whole thing. This kind of editing reeks of James O’Keefe. Who did this?

I’m no fan of Feinstein, but when you watch the WHOLE video — not just the excerpt — of her meeting the climate change kids it’s actually a pretty nice visit, and Feinstein says she may even vote yes on the Green New Deal resolution. See thread below with the entire video.'

elleng

(130,921 posts)
12. Look at FACTS, not propaganda.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 01:31 PM
Feb 2019

It appears that we can hardly believe ANYTHING that's before us, without deeply searching for the TRUTH.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
17. Sorry, I'm still uncertain about whether you are in support...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 01:48 PM
Feb 2019

... of the OP or whether you think it, too, has distorted or ignored facts..... is, itself, propoganda, in other words.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
25. I saw the first video and then the full video, and that seems to be what happened.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:19 PM
Feb 2019

There were kids, it was intended to advance an agenda, it was misleading. I don't know that Phillips personally did the editing.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
61. It wasn't that misleading, don't get too hung up on the right wing victimhood display
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:38 PM
Feb 2019

Those kids were clearly mocking that Native American man, in a very racist and white privileged way. The only thing that came out later was that the circumstances of what happened prior to that were a little different that what was originally reported. But the mocking behavior displayed by the students was shocking even to the Black Israelites who started the whole thing and were initially attacking the Native Americans only to end up being their defenders when the Covington kids started in on their mock the Native American ritual dance.

The Convington kids were far from innocent, despite what their little mommies and daddies and their high priced jackal lawyers want you to believe.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
94. So you watched the first video, then you watched the full video
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 08:02 PM
Feb 2019

And you didn’t see any substantive difference between the two?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
96. I saw a bunch of religious bigots who happened to be black and Jewish
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 08:08 PM
Feb 2019

telling Native Americans that they deserved to be conquered. I then saw them turn their attention to the Covington kids all decked out in MAGA gear. I then saw the Covington kids turn into a bunch of jack asses in response, and when Nathan Phillips ran up to them to do his tribal chant as he said "to calm things down," I saw the Covington kids make fun of him, berate him, and mock his heritage. When the Black Israelites saw what they how the Covington kids were treating him even they were appalled. "Straight up mockery," one of them called it.

Yeah, the full video might have shed some light on the origins of the conflict that was going on, but it didn't make those overly entitled little twerps look any better in my eyes.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
98. In the originally released version, you had a bunch of white kids harassing
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 08:28 PM
Feb 2019

A poor group of native Americans. In the full video, the kids don’t look much better, but the whole situation looks far different than it was originally portrayed... thus, someone selectively edited a video of kids to push an agenda. Try as you might, I doubt you’ll be able to convince me otherwise. Hell, I can even look at the DU threads initially and after the full video to show how opinion changed.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
99. In this "selectively edited" video as you call it
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 08:35 PM
Feb 2019

In the edited video, you see an agenda of showing a bunch of white Donald trump supporters being ignorant and racist. In the full video, you still see a bunch of white Donald Trump supporters being ignorant and racist. And even you admit that they don't look much better in the new video. So whatever agenda you accuse those of putting the video up as having, I'd say it was validated either way.

So if you want to think that the narrative that there's lots of racism, ignorance, and white privilege coming from the Trump camp is completely different now go ahead. To me, it's exactly the same.

I'm also not convinced that the video was "selectively edited" as you put it as much as it was just shortened because the original video was too long and no one would have bothered to sit through it long enough to see what we needed to see if they had just put the video up in full to begin with.

So I'm not really buying your "selectively edited to push an agenda" argument.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
103. See, the easy part from my standpoint is that I do not
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:02 PM
Feb 2019

Care what you “buy” or don’t buy. The number of new culpas and apologies after the full video came out supports my position that the two videos tell a significantly different story.

As far as showing the racism and ignorance, the original video shows it clearly. This kids don’t like these native Americans because of their race. The second video also shows it, only if you chose to ignore any other reason these kids might have an issue with them.

What if I told you a bunch of people came to a funeral and got harassed by police and the locals... then what if I told you they were from the Westbrook Baptist Church? Context matters even when it doesn’t help your case.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
105. Chose to ignore any other reason these kids might have an issue with them
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:36 PM
Feb 2019

Or simply watched the video and determined that said reasons were invalid?

As for your ridiculous Westboro Baptist Church scenario, I'm not even going to get into it with you about highly fantastical and fictitious scenarios that ignore any number of possible variables when we have a real video and incident right here. Stay on topic.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
107. My point was that context matters. The first video took all of it out.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:45 PM
Feb 2019

The full video adds some back in.

As far YOUR personal opinion on the difference goes, this would only matter to me if I felt you were the authoritative voice on what happened, which I don’t. Many people changed their opinion on this, even on the DU, and while some didn’t think the kids any were any more likeable, they still thought the full video makes it look considerably different.

I get it, you didn’t like these kind of kids before you even saw any video. The video confirmed what you alredy believed. It doesn’t matter who was on the other side, you know those kids are awful and no other information will change that.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
109. Pretty much
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 10:17 PM
Feb 2019

And since you don't care about my opinion on the matter even though you've spent a considerable amount of time arguing with me on it, allow me to say that I could care less about how many weak-kneed jellyfish apologize to them. They are not the final voice on this matter either. Amazing how many people you can get to apologize when you start throwing around quarter billion dollar lawsuits because your precious baby was humiliated.

As for my pre-ordained disposition regarding the Covintong kids, we'll, when I see somebody with a MAGA hat on, you know what I automatically know about them? I know about them? That they support forcibly ripping desperate families apart and throwing their children in cages. That they support taking health care away from their fellow citizens. That they don't give a shit about the 1200 American children who died from gun violence last year but are perfectly willing to bulldoze a butterfly sanctuary and God know what else, not to mention, starve 800,000 American families to build a stupid wall because of a handful of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Yes, I don't like Nazi, um I mean MAGA youth. I think they're stupid, racist, ignorant, and entitled. And everything I saw in that video confirmed what I already believed.

I don't claim any moral authority on the matter other than being a college-educated, reasonably intelligent human being with an opinion. Take it or leave it. But if you don't care about my opinion, you can stop arguing with me about it any time.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
112. Just to clarify, the reason I don't care about your opinion isn't because it doesn't matter, it's
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:43 AM
Feb 2019

just that it doesn't matter to this discussion. I argued that this video was presented in such a way to push an agenda. It was done to attempt to form public opinion in a certain way. YOU are not public opinion (nor am I), but you can't deny that there were many people who felt one way after seeing the initial video and felt differently after seeing the full video. That's all the evidence I need to show that the two videos are different, since regardless of what either one of us says, there were undoubtedly many people who changed their opinion after seeing the full video.

I'm not here to defend the kids, but the OP's question was "Who edits and splices together a misleading video of children in order to advance an agenda?" and that did happen here. It doesn't mean the kids aren't racist, or assholes, but that is still what happened.

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
26. I am curious the name Sunshine Veritas is used for the group
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:20 PM
Feb 2019

Doesn't that suspiciously sound like a James O'Keefe fake group? The little mf'er has been quiet he might have gotten more sophisticated in his techniques.

That group needs to be looked into further.

chowder66

(9,070 posts)
52. The group is called th Sunshine Movement. Sunshine Veritas is a rip on the O'keefe style editing. nt
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:17 PM
Feb 2019

ooky

(8,923 posts)
27. Republicans, of course.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:21 PM
Feb 2019

Anytime Republicans get word of an organized demonstration at one of our party's congressional offices you can bet they will be there to video it and then splice together soundbites aimed at villifying our leaders and dividing our voters against one another.

People who support liberal agenda don't need to be gathering on Democrats' doorsteps. They need to be on the doorsteps of the Republican assholes who's policies are gutting our planet's atmosphere.

emulatorloo

(44,130 posts)
28. Hacks who don't have a shred on intellectual honesty
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:24 PM
Feb 2019

Pretty unhappy this propaganda piece was gleefully disseminated on DU.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
31. K&R for later. This needs to be investigated.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:48 PM
Feb 2019

Could be an ethics violation. It’s really low down and so obviously malicious. I want to see the faces of who did this. Justice Democrats don’t seem to be doing Democrats any favors—funded by an “ex” Republican, Cenk Uyger. Makes me wonder who else he/they are trying to undermine.

UTUSN

(70,696 posts)
32. Those kids were not "empowered" or insightful - they were spouting brainwashed imprinted stuff
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:48 PM
Feb 2019

Links in other places are labeling them as "environmentalists" - they are NOT, just kids spouting what their mentors modeled for them.

***********What I replied in the other thread:

* 11. Let's be real: "children" ain't equal to an old lady for debating purposes.
Somebody is using children as a ploy. The adults using them should be the ones talking to the old lady. As for FEINSTEIN's answer, it is just real that the troglodyte Repuke world we live in is NOT going to fix things in any foreseeable future. O.K., flame it out.

* 33. I'm 72 and still lack maturity and insight and life experience in different areas.
I don't equate DiFi's age with unquestioned correctness. I also don't bestow MOZART type insight on those or most children. If they don't even know the history of the old lady they are mouthing off to, that's a big disqualifier about their knowing what they are talking about. They might very well be right but I doubt they came about their views from precocious insight of their own.

* 165. No, even in this truncated version their 20-something sponsors stepped in
and preached to DiFi what they had clearly indoctrinated the kids with.

I have no disagreement with the subject of their concern but with the cult/parrot/zealot approach/attitude. At 72, I have seen many election losses from 3rd party purist zealots - named Greens, Nader, yes-MY generation of Hippies and whatever other Faddists of whatever stripe. My generation of good-dude McGOVERN took us to flaming defeat symbolized by his pandering to his supporters' animus to the military by hiding his military excellent record that might have drawn support. My generation of hippies thought we knew everything NEW and thought we could throw everything we didn't dream up out. So, AGAIN NO, children are not original thinkers to be deified. ****ON EDIT, addendum: What - not just those children, or *any* children - but rather any HUMANS - need is *HOW* to learn, with *what* to learn coming afterwards/including with their own insight after they know how. The children in that video were clearly, obviously parroting what their mentors told them. They were *not* "empowered", they were cookie cut. And this is not about those particular children because their mentors themselves don't "get" the concept of HOW to think, and probably a large majority of humans as a whole aren't either. But here's a question, instead going to browbeat an ally/DiFi, why didn't that group go find wingnuts to attempt to convert, and if browbeating doesn't work why not escalate to water boarding or the vast number of techniques that humans have used forever - futilely, if this word needs to be added. Instead, the twitter poster of the video gave themselves away with the threat for "new leadership." Yip, throw out DiFi who is at a different stage of achieving what THEY want - an earlier stage, working with the POSSIBLE - and trade her (and many of US) in for replacements who will work against what they want - THAT's the ticket!1













Autumn

(45,095 posts)
37. They posted this on twitter. I'm looking through it now and will check their FB page where
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:56 PM
Feb 2019

they posted the whole video later. There was a person who posted the whole video in increments but I lost it.





Autumn

(45,095 posts)
40. Their agenda seems to be climate centered from looking through the twitter feeds.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:03 PM
Feb 2019

But from what I gather here they have undesirable connections with AOC and the Justice Democrats.

Autumn

(45,095 posts)
70. Looking around, twitter and different places I'm shocked at how the reaction to the kids, GND
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 04:56 PM
Feb 2019

and the Sunrise organization by Republicans is almost the same.

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
72. The most important question is how are we are going to deal with climate change?
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 05:38 PM
Feb 2019

I absolutely disagree with the use of an edited video in this case and those responsible should be called to task over it. But like Smallet, (the real problem is the police mistreatment of POC in the Chicago justice system), it presents an opportunity to take the focus off of the real issue and divert it to something else. It's obvious because those so concerned about the video say very little about the bigger issue of climate change.

We know the fossil fuel industry would rather the focus be on edited videos rather than talking about the burning of fossil fuels. I would think the fossil fuel industry runs its own disinformation campaign on social media because it has a lot to lose if fossil fuel use is restricted.

Autumn

(45,095 posts)
80. The fossil fuel industry will fight anything that threatens them. They have fought science for years
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:12 PM
Feb 2019

with lies and withholding information. They have had a disinformation campaign in politics, televised and print media for years. My Governor who is running for president drank Halliburton fracking fluid and is a strong supporter of fracking and drilling. I'm sure they must have their tentacles in social media like twitter and FB. As for how are we going to deal with climate change when we have probably less than a decade? Who the hell knows. There seems to be no will to discuss or do anything about it. Our politicians have worked on it for 30 years and here we are, a decade or less to do anything and spinning our wheels. Cities are drowning and burning, vital species under threat of extinction and we can't get a GND passed, Feinstein's nor AOC's and Markeys.

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
81. Yes. That's why I'm happy to see these young folks out protesting and asking for action.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:15 PM
Feb 2019

It's definitely time to start being rude about it with those in power IMHO.

Autumn

(45,095 posts)
83. It's well past time. Where is the urgency? Climate change is going to be a catastrophe of historic
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:29 PM
Feb 2019

proportions . Millions of people will die. And instead people are pissed at an activist group that may have edited a video and those uppity kids who were rude. Those kids are afraid and want a future and we should be doing our best to give it to them.

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
84. I know right. And one of the first things Feinstein said when the kid asked about her support
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:36 PM
Feb 2019

for the Green New Deal was, "There's no way to pay for it". Seriously, that's her take on the issue. It's like the captain of the Titanic telling the passengers he'd like to fix the problem but there's no way to pay for it.

Autumn

(45,095 posts)
85. That was a WTF moment. The girl who brought up the bloated military budget captured my heart. See
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:47 PM
Feb 2019

the difference here and tell me we don't have a real problem. "There's no way to pay for it". Does she realize what it's already costing us and how much more it's going to cost us?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-teen-activist-idUSKCN1QA1RF?fbclid=IwAR0nxzAS07qASFcF5MH_lnIwviqVEBaYWtjyB34hddc6WU0lEkdIv8luLTM

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
87. I've been following Greta in the news. Her actions are barely being noticed here in the US. It is
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:54 PM
Feb 2019

a WTF moment for our political leaders. Get with it or get someone in there who is willing to take the issue on, and yes, call for cuts to our bloated military budget to do so.

Autumn

(45,095 posts)
89. It needs to be cut. Our politicians, D's and R's overwhelmingly voted to give the military 82
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 07:13 PM
Feb 2019

Billion more than the Trump administration had asked for. That's crazy.

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
93. It's the elephant in the room that never gets debated in any meaningful way.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 07:48 PM
Feb 2019

A budget equal to the next 10 countries defense budgets-combined!! One would think the DOD is the real governing body in our government.

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
60. It was manipulated. Pieces were cut out and then spliced together. It's propaganda.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:35 PM
Feb 2019
Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception


Autumn

(45,095 posts)
62. Edited yes. But nothing was added or falsified and the full video was available on their page.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:39 PM
Feb 2019

It was a dumb move.

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
64. Manipulative editing is a propaganda technique.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:52 PM
Feb 2019

Selected video clips were removed from their context and spliced together.

Out of context
If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended.


Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias.


Why on earth anyone is defending this practice is bewildering at best.

Autumn

(45,095 posts)
66. I'm not defending it. I'm just posting what I see, like you are doing.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 04:29 PM
Feb 2019

I've seen plenty of videos edited for brevity. The problem came in when whoever posted it didn't clarify that. The full and complete video is on the Sunrise Facebook page.

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
57. Here's the definition of the word:
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:25 PM
Feb 2019
Definition of agenda
1 : a list or outline of things to be considered or done
2 : an underlying often ideological plan or program

If you want more information about the list of things to be considered or done or the underlying plan or program of the folks who edited , spliced, and then posted the doctored video of these children, then you need to ask them.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agenda

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
58. That's just a definition. You thought it was important enough to use it in the headline of
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:30 PM
Feb 2019

your OP, so again, what do you think is their agenda?

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
63. I think their agenda is their list or outline of things to be considered or done
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:41 PM
Feb 2019

and / or their underlying plan or program.

Thanks for playing.

Have another donut.








haele

(12,659 posts)
71. They want her to resign and their candidate be put in her place.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 05:31 PM
Feb 2019

The Justice Dems and other Democratic groups were behind Kevin De Leon, who, though a reasonably good Democratic candidate, couldn't beat Feinstein in the general.
The California Democratic party is not a monolith; a good third of them claimed ( with the help of the likes of Nina Turner) that they were the True Pure Democrats and the rest were all corporate whores - no matter their record and were running an " Anyone but DiFi" campaign, which IMO hurt De Leon far more than it helped.

Party Purity movements are still Idealistic Authoritarianism, just in a populist guise. I've a lot of issues with Feinstein, but going out of one's way and creating lies to stick it to her just because one doesn't like her is no better than lying on Faux news to get Liberals killed.
"Any Means Necessary" is the cheap and easy mantra of professional Rat F***"ers, Bullies, and rage filled simpletons who prefer magical thinking, shallow speechifying, and reactionary pontification rather than to sit down, spend some time actually looking at the data, and come up with realistic solutions that don't have craploads of pitfalls and ignored risks hiding in the actual details.

I'm tired of the populists thinking governance is the same as throwing out ideas and slogans to see what the media will hail as a great idea. There's a place for populists, but they tend to cause more problems and screw up actual solutions when they put the Perfect ahead of the Good.

Haele

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
74. I don't think they believe they can get Feinstein to leave office, she's very powerful and was just
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 05:49 PM
Feb 2019

re-elected. I also don't agree with the use of an edited video to affect public opinion. I do think climate change is the #1 issue facing Americans and that's where the discussion should be. Some think we're moving too slow and I think these kids could care less about purity-they are looking for action-now.

 

Fuzzpope

(602 posts)
54. By nature and definition
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:20 PM
Feb 2019

If the weight of your argument is exceeded by the desire of a goal, the first tool reached for is deception.

No good intentions ever bore fruit delivered upon a substrate of lies.

 

Fuzzpope

(602 posts)
38. Can you even imagine
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

Having that slimy little shit weasel metrosexual as a fucking landlord?

[Vomit][/vomit]

Auggie

(31,172 posts)
41. Pfft ... you ain't seen nothing yet
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:03 PM
Feb 2019
Deepfake, a portmanteau of "deep learning" and "fake", is an artificial intelligence-based human image synthesis technique. It is used to combine and superimpose existing images and videos onto source images or videos using a machine learning technique called a "generative adversarial network" (GAN).The combination of the existing and source videos results in a fake video that shows a person or persons performing an action at an event that never occurred in reality.

Such fake videos can be created to, for example, show a person performing sex acts they never took part in, or can be used to alter the words or gestures a politician uses to make it look like that person said something they never did. Because of these capabilities, deepfakes may be used to create fake celebrity pornographic videos or revenge porn. Deepfakes can also be used to create fake news and malicious hoaxes.

MORE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepfake

Search "deepfakes" on youtube for examples. I guarantee Team Russia is working on this right now.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
78. ah, ok. was wondering why that first tweet you posted above was calling hogg ironic,
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:03 PM
Feb 2019

and then mentioning justice dems. I'm not down with someone disparaging hogg.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
73. Ordinary marketing professionals and outlets?
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 05:49 PM
Feb 2019

There is nothing new here. The ridiculous defensiveness is bizarre. She was condescending and dismissive during the conversation. That isn't all that happened, but it is part of it. The dismissiveness speaks to the fact that climate change has been on the back burner for too long and we are now in serious peril. The kids who are going to actually be here for it are begging people who will not be to pay more attention despite the fact that they have spent decades enabling energy companies. But those damn kids should fall in line and kiss their rings anyway.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
79. Those kids were used to create false propaganda about
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:03 PM
Feb 2019

Democrats. That’s what Justice Democrats does. We are not fooled.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
88. Funny thing is
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 07:03 PM
Feb 2019

I saw a video of kids questioning republicans and taking them to task on climate change, and didn't mind them holding them accountable. The possibility that they were amiable at some other point in the video didn't change the fact that they demeaned children and lacked substance in their talking points.
There are good reasons why people are rejecting party identification. One is that people stop holding them accountable. Because.... republicans are worse. And they're better than the alternative, and they deserve unconditional support because they won a few elections. It reminds me of the foolishness of the Greek system.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
100. This was just a hit job on Feinstein by Justice Democrats.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 08:38 PM
Feb 2019

Their game is to propose a bunch of expensive programs and then leave Democrats holding the bag trying to answer questions that they don’t bother with since that’s no fun. it’s pretty low down to lie to children like this. They should have told them that this is a cynical ploy to get attention and the ones who should be answering their questions about the expensive program are Justice Democrats (founded by an “ex” Republican). They are not fooling anyone.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
101. Republicans say the same thing when they get caught being rude to constituents
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 08:46 PM
Feb 2019

Blame someone else for failures to address serious problems and represent constituents in a way that considers the future. Status quo and worshiping the party elders is a silly demand to place on kids who are actually thinking they may have to watch human extinction.

Cha

(297,256 posts)
104. Repubs LIE. This was a fucking Hit JOB
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:31 PM
Feb 2019

by sneaky justice dems.. who only shot themselves in both feet.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
111. She wasn't rude. How ridiculous to compare this hit job
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:11 AM
Feb 2019

to some obscure Republicans you saw somewhere. How ridiculous to lie to kids and tell them they are going extinct. How ridiculous that Justice Democrats lies to these kids about a policy proposal and then shirked their obligations to answer questions about their own proposal.

You aren’t even following the plot. The video was edited. Like one Tweet said, she’s not a hired nanny, she’s a US Senator. Justice Democrats didn’t have to manipulate kids.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
86. Justice Democrats are not fooling anyone. Looks like they
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:52 PM
Feb 2019

want to leave elected Democrats holding the bag having to explain government/costs to children while they manipulate othrs into thinking Democrats are to blame for the Republican agendas. This is sickeningly dishonest.

George II

(67,782 posts)
110. Despicable. The last time I saw anyone using children as props to forward a political agenda....
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 10:21 PM
Feb 2019

....was Saddam Hussein.

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