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altered; falsified; skewed; manipulated
SWBTATTReg
(22,129 posts)there was no altered content. Obviously someone didn't do their job.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)Because, as we all know by now, FB is is a fountain of Truth.
SWBTATTReg
(22,129 posts)like exercising a little common sense and discretion in what to believe (or not believe).
A working mind is indeed an amazing thing.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Hekate
(90,704 posts)manor321
(3,344 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Their job seems to be to purge Congress of the Democrats they dont like.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...which at the time happened to be Justice Democrats' address. It wasn't changed to a Corona Queens address until after the election, on November 20.
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00630665/1195264/
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/H8NY15148/1161740/
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/H8NY15148/1291739/
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)don't understand that we aren't taking both global warming and the economic divide seriously.
And most of those GND folks are DEMOCRATS TOO.
Feinstein seemed tone deaf to the reality those kids have to face long after the over 50 set are dead. If I had to choose between sets of Democrats, I'm with the kids, even though I'm one of the older Democrats.
In truth what we need to focus on is how we're going to address what is essentially a cold war against Big Oil. This post about editing is further dividing us and once again avoiding the real issue: how are we SERIOUSLY addressing global warming.
We have 12 years.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)It is in essence a lie.
And somehow calling out that loathsome act is being divisive?
Are you upset the truth came out?
The people are interested in one thing: power. Oif issues were their concern they would be working with the Democratic Party to solve the issues.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)of people they should be trying to win over.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Pobeka
(4,999 posts)It was completely unreasonable:
a) to expect she'd have time for an unscheduled meeting, (but in fact she did make some time)
b) to expect that the entire senate is going to do anything she asks them to do.
It does no one any good to fail to advance climate change correcting legisltation through the senate because it's too extreme. Senator Feinstein knows that and explained that.
Like it or not, step by step we'll have to address climate change in our partisan government. There is no magic bullet to just push through whatever you want.
The place to address our anger is at the doorstep of GOP politicians, who defy their own children's needs for a secure future. DEM's can only do what the GOP allows on this issue, at least until we have a veto-proof house, senate and whitehouse.
yardwork
(61,622 posts)VarryOn
(2,343 posts)Although we might largely agree on the issues with them, it's their approach that many will problematic. It will be their way or the highway. And party "elders" like Feinstein will get zero respect. Her video is a direct indication of what to expect.
They esentially believe most Dems need to be booted and replaced with very progressive, vocal and active Justice Dems. Some, if not all, the more "disruptive" freshmen House members are Justice Democrats.
They have already begun targeting sitting Democratic congressional members for elimination in 2020 .
elleng
(130,921 posts)'They essentially believe most Dems need to be booted and replaced.'
'Welcome' to DU.
underpants
(182,819 posts)Grasswire2
(13,570 posts)Yes, DiFi is no Franken. But the ratf&ckery is the same. No one is safe when this tactic of blowing up a false narrative is employed.
elleng
(130,921 posts)pandr32
(11,586 posts)elleng
(130,921 posts)'The way they edited the video, it looks like Feinstein walks out and yells at the kids and then leaves. Thats not what happened. It was a 15-20 minute visit that went pretty well. I watched the whole thing. This kind of editing reeks of James OKeefe. Who did this?
Im no fan of Feinstein, but when you watch the WHOLE video not just the excerpt of her meeting the climate change kids its actually a pretty nice visit, and Feinstein says she may even vote yes on the Green New Deal resolution. See thread below with the entire video.'
LAS14
(13,783 posts)elleng
(130,921 posts)It appears that we can hardly believe ANYTHING that's before us, without deeply searching for the TRUTH.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... of the OP or whether you think it, too, has distorted or ignored facts..... is, itself, propoganda, in other words.
elleng
(130,921 posts)lapucelle
(18,265 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)Although this was a dumb move
JHan
(10,173 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)There were kids, it was intended to advance an agenda, it was misleading. I don't know that Phillips personally did the editing.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Those kids were clearly mocking that Native American man, in a very racist and white privileged way. The only thing that came out later was that the circumstances of what happened prior to that were a little different that what was originally reported. But the mocking behavior displayed by the students was shocking even to the Black Israelites who started the whole thing and were initially attacking the Native Americans only to end up being their defenders when the Covington kids started in on their mock the Native American ritual dance.
The Convington kids were far from innocent, despite what their little mommies and daddies and their high priced jackal lawyers want you to believe.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)And you didnt see any substantive difference between the two?
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)telling Native Americans that they deserved to be conquered. I then saw them turn their attention to the Covington kids all decked out in MAGA gear. I then saw the Covington kids turn into a bunch of jack asses in response, and when Nathan Phillips ran up to them to do his tribal chant as he said "to calm things down," I saw the Covington kids make fun of him, berate him, and mock his heritage. When the Black Israelites saw what they how the Covington kids were treating him even they were appalled. "Straight up mockery," one of them called it.
Yeah, the full video might have shed some light on the origins of the conflict that was going on, but it didn't make those overly entitled little twerps look any better in my eyes.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)A poor group of native Americans. In the full video, the kids dont look much better, but the whole situation looks far different than it was originally portrayed... thus, someone selectively edited a video of kids to push an agenda. Try as you might, I doubt youll be able to convince me otherwise. Hell, I can even look at the DU threads initially and after the full video to show how opinion changed.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)In the edited video, you see an agenda of showing a bunch of white Donald trump supporters being ignorant and racist. In the full video, you still see a bunch of white Donald Trump supporters being ignorant and racist. And even you admit that they don't look much better in the new video. So whatever agenda you accuse those of putting the video up as having, I'd say it was validated either way.
So if you want to think that the narrative that there's lots of racism, ignorance, and white privilege coming from the Trump camp is completely different now go ahead. To me, it's exactly the same.
I'm also not convinced that the video was "selectively edited" as you put it as much as it was just shortened because the original video was too long and no one would have bothered to sit through it long enough to see what we needed to see if they had just put the video up in full to begin with.
So I'm not really buying your "selectively edited to push an agenda" argument.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Care what you buy or dont buy. The number of new culpas and apologies after the full video came out supports my position that the two videos tell a significantly different story.
As far as showing the racism and ignorance, the original video shows it clearly. This kids dont like these native Americans because of their race. The second video also shows it, only if you chose to ignore any other reason these kids might have an issue with them.
What if I told you a bunch of people came to a funeral and got harassed by police and the locals... then what if I told you they were from the Westbrook Baptist Church? Context matters even when it doesnt help your case.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Or simply watched the video and determined that said reasons were invalid?
As for your ridiculous Westboro Baptist Church scenario, I'm not even going to get into it with you about highly fantastical and fictitious scenarios that ignore any number of possible variables when we have a real video and incident right here. Stay on topic.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)The full video adds some back in.
As far YOUR personal opinion on the difference goes, this would only matter to me if I felt you were the authoritative voice on what happened, which I dont. Many people changed their opinion on this, even on the DU, and while some didnt think the kids any were any more likeable, they still thought the full video makes it look considerably different.
I get it, you didnt like these kind of kids before you even saw any video. The video confirmed what you alredy believed. It doesnt matter who was on the other side, you know those kids are awful and no other information will change that.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)And since you don't care about my opinion on the matter even though you've spent a considerable amount of time arguing with me on it, allow me to say that I could care less about how many weak-kneed jellyfish apologize to them. They are not the final voice on this matter either. Amazing how many people you can get to apologize when you start throwing around quarter billion dollar lawsuits because your precious baby was humiliated.
As for my pre-ordained disposition regarding the Covintong kids, we'll, when I see somebody with a MAGA hat on, you know what I automatically know about them? I know about them? That they support forcibly ripping desperate families apart and throwing their children in cages. That they support taking health care away from their fellow citizens. That they don't give a shit about the 1200 American children who died from gun violence last year but are perfectly willing to bulldoze a butterfly sanctuary and God know what else, not to mention, starve 800,000 American families to build a stupid wall because of a handful of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Yes, I don't like Nazi, um I mean MAGA youth. I think they're stupid, racist, ignorant, and entitled. And everything I saw in that video confirmed what I already believed.
I don't claim any moral authority on the matter other than being a college-educated, reasonably intelligent human being with an opinion. Take it or leave it. But if you don't care about my opinion, you can stop arguing with me about it any time.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)just that it doesn't matter to this discussion. I argued that this video was presented in such a way to push an agenda. It was done to attempt to form public opinion in a certain way. YOU are not public opinion (nor am I), but you can't deny that there were many people who felt one way after seeing the initial video and felt differently after seeing the full video. That's all the evidence I need to show that the two videos are different, since regardless of what either one of us says, there were undoubtedly many people who changed their opinion after seeing the full video.
I'm not here to defend the kids, but the OP's question was "Who edits and splices together a misleading video of children in order to advance an agenda?" and that did happen here. It doesn't mean the kids aren't racist, or assholes, but that is still what happened.
kimbutgar
(21,155 posts)Doesn't that suspiciously sound like a James O'Keefe fake group? The little mf'er has been quiet he might have gotten more sophisticated in his techniques.
That group needs to be looked into further.
chowder66
(9,070 posts)ooky
(8,923 posts)Anytime Republicans get word of an organized demonstration at one of our party's congressional offices you can bet they will be there to video it and then splice together soundbites aimed at villifying our leaders and dividing our voters against one another.
People who support liberal agenda don't need to be gathering on Democrats' doorsteps. They need to be on the doorsteps of the Republican assholes who's policies are gutting our planet's atmosphere.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)Pretty unhappy this propaganda piece was gleefully disseminated on DU.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)The same people that primaried Senator Feinstein and lost.
George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Could be an ethics violation. Its really low down and so obviously malicious. I want to see the faces of who did this. Justice Democrats dont seem to be doing Democrats any favorsfunded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger. Makes me wonder who else he/they are trying to undermine.
UTUSN
(70,696 posts)Links in other places are labeling them as "environmentalists" - they are NOT, just kids spouting what their mentors modeled for them.
***********What I replied in the other thread:
* 11. Let's be real: "children" ain't equal to an old lady for debating purposes.
Somebody is using children as a ploy. The adults using them should be the ones talking to the old lady. As for FEINSTEIN's answer, it is just real that the troglodyte Repuke world we live in is NOT going to fix things in any foreseeable future. O.K., flame it out.
* 33. I'm 72 and still lack maturity and insight and life experience in different areas.
I don't equate DiFi's age with unquestioned correctness. I also don't bestow MOZART type insight on those or most children. If they don't even know the history of the old lady they are mouthing off to, that's a big disqualifier about their knowing what they are talking about. They might very well be right but I doubt they came about their views from precocious insight of their own.
* 165. No, even in this truncated version their 20-something sponsors stepped in
and preached to DiFi what they had clearly indoctrinated the kids with.
I have no disagreement with the subject of their concern but with the cult/parrot/zealot approach/attitude. At 72, I have seen many election losses from 3rd party purist zealots - named Greens, Nader, yes-MY generation of Hippies and whatever other Faddists of whatever stripe. My generation of good-dude McGOVERN took us to flaming defeat symbolized by his pandering to his supporters' animus to the military by hiding his military excellent record that might have drawn support. My generation of hippies thought we knew everything NEW and thought we could throw everything we didn't dream up out. So, AGAIN NO, children are not original thinkers to be deified. ****ON EDIT, addendum: What - not just those children, or *any* children - but rather any HUMANS - need is *HOW* to learn, with *what* to learn coming afterwards/including with their own insight after they know how. The children in that video were clearly, obviously parroting what their mentors told them. They were *not* "empowered", they were cookie cut. And this is not about those particular children because their mentors themselves don't "get" the concept of HOW to think, and probably a large majority of humans as a whole aren't either. But here's a question, instead going to browbeat an ally/DiFi, why didn't that group go find wingnuts to attempt to convert, and if browbeating doesn't work why not escalate to water boarding or the vast number of techniques that humans have used forever - futilely, if this word needs to be added. Instead, the twitter poster of the video gave themselves away with the threat for "new leadership." Yip, throw out DiFi who is at a different stage of achieving what THEY want - an earlier stage, working with the POSSIBLE - and trade her (and many of US) in for replacements who will work against what they want - THAT's the ticket!1
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)dlk
(11,566 posts)jalan48
(13,869 posts)Autumn
(45,095 posts)they posted the whole video later. There was a person who posted the whole video in increments but I lost it.
Link to tweet
jalan48
(13,869 posts)Autumn
(45,095 posts)But from what I gather here they have undesirable connections with AOC and the Justice Democrats.
Autumn
(45,095 posts)and the Sunrise organization by Republicans is almost the same.
jalan48
(13,869 posts)I absolutely disagree with the use of an edited video in this case and those responsible should be called to task over it. But like Smallet, (the real problem is the police mistreatment of POC in the Chicago justice system), it presents an opportunity to take the focus off of the real issue and divert it to something else. It's obvious because those so concerned about the video say very little about the bigger issue of climate change.
We know the fossil fuel industry would rather the focus be on edited videos rather than talking about the burning of fossil fuels. I would think the fossil fuel industry runs its own disinformation campaign on social media because it has a lot to lose if fossil fuel use is restricted.
Autumn
(45,095 posts)with lies and withholding information. They have had a disinformation campaign in politics, televised and print media for years. My Governor who is running for president drank Halliburton fracking fluid and is a strong supporter of fracking and drilling. I'm sure they must have their tentacles in social media like twitter and FB. As for how are we going to deal with climate change when we have probably less than a decade? Who the hell knows. There seems to be no will to discuss or do anything about it. Our politicians have worked on it for 30 years and here we are, a decade or less to do anything and spinning our wheels. Cities are drowning and burning, vital species under threat of extinction and we can't get a GND passed, Feinstein's nor AOC's and Markeys.
jalan48
(13,869 posts)It's definitely time to start being rude about it with those in power IMHO.
Autumn
(45,095 posts)proportions . Millions of people will die. And instead people are pissed at an activist group that may have edited a video and those uppity kids who were rude. Those kids are afraid and want a future and we should be doing our best to give it to them.
jalan48
(13,869 posts)for the Green New Deal was, "There's no way to pay for it". Seriously, that's her take on the issue. It's like the captain of the Titanic telling the passengers he'd like to fix the problem but there's no way to pay for it.
Autumn
(45,095 posts)the difference here and tell me we don't have a real problem. "There's no way to pay for it". Does she realize what it's already costing us and how much more it's going to cost us?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-teen-activist-idUSKCN1QA1RF?fbclid=IwAR0nxzAS07qASFcF5MH_lnIwviqVEBaYWtjyB34hddc6WU0lEkdIv8luLTM
jalan48
(13,869 posts)a WTF moment for our political leaders. Get with it or get someone in there who is willing to take the issue on, and yes, call for cuts to our bloated military budget to do so.
Autumn
(45,095 posts)Billion more than the Trump administration had asked for. That's crazy.
jalan48
(13,869 posts)A budget equal to the next 10 countries defense budgets-combined!! One would think the DOD is the real governing body in our government.
Autumn
(45,095 posts)lapucelle
(18,265 posts)altered; falsified; skewed; manipulated
Autumn
(45,095 posts)lapucelle
(18,265 posts)Autumn
(45,095 posts)It was a dumb move.
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)Selected video clips were removed from their context and spliced together.
If a statement or remark is quoted out of context, the circumstances in which it was said are not correctly reported, so that it seems to mean something different from the meaning that was intended.
Why on earth anyone is defending this practice is bewildering at best.
Autumn
(45,095 posts)I've seen plenty of videos edited for brevity. The problem came in when whoever posted it didn't clarify that. The full and complete video is on the Sunrise Facebook page.
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)fucking or otherwise.
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)Have a donut.
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)jalan48
(13,869 posts)lapucelle
(18,265 posts)1 : a list or outline of things to be considered or done
2 : an underlying often ideological plan or program
If you want more information about the list of things to be considered or done or the underlying plan or program of the folks who edited , spliced, and then posted the doctored video of these children, then you need to ask them.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agenda
jalan48
(13,869 posts)your OP, so again, what do you think is their agenda?
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)and / or their underlying plan or program.
Thanks for playing.
Have another donut.
haele
(12,659 posts)The Justice Dems and other Democratic groups were behind Kevin De Leon, who, though a reasonably good Democratic candidate, couldn't beat Feinstein in the general.
The California Democratic party is not a monolith; a good third of them claimed ( with the help of the likes of Nina Turner) that they were the True Pure Democrats and the rest were all corporate whores - no matter their record and were running an " Anyone but DiFi" campaign, which IMO hurt De Leon far more than it helped.
Party Purity movements are still Idealistic Authoritarianism, just in a populist guise. I've a lot of issues with Feinstein, but going out of one's way and creating lies to stick it to her just because one doesn't like her is no better than lying on Faux news to get Liberals killed.
"Any Means Necessary" is the cheap and easy mantra of professional Rat F***"ers, Bullies, and rage filled simpletons who prefer magical thinking, shallow speechifying, and reactionary pontification rather than to sit down, spend some time actually looking at the data, and come up with realistic solutions that don't have craploads of pitfalls and ignored risks hiding in the actual details.
I'm tired of the populists thinking governance is the same as throwing out ideas and slogans to see what the media will hail as a great idea. There's a place for populists, but they tend to cause more problems and screw up actual solutions when they put the Perfect ahead of the Good.
Haele
jalan48
(13,869 posts)re-elected. I also don't agree with the use of an edited video to affect public opinion. I do think climate change is the #1 issue facing Americans and that's where the discussion should be. Some think we're moving too slow and I think these kids could care less about purity-they are looking for action-now.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)Some people lunge at the chance to assume the worst about others.
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)Have a donut.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)If the weight of your argument is exceeded by the desire of a goal, the first tool reached for is deception.
No good intentions ever bore fruit delivered upon a substrate of lies.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)Having that slimy little shit weasel metrosexual as a fucking landlord?
[Vomit][/vomit]
ornotna
(10,801 posts)But what did you think of the doctored video?
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)But this comment was supposed to appear in a different thread.
ornotna
(10,801 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)I don't know why, but Kushner came to mind when I ran across your post, lol.
The 1.1 billion he's after from Freddie and Fannie to purchase a shitload of apartments.
Auggie
(31,172 posts)Such fake videos can be created to, for example, show a person performing sex acts they never took part in, or can be used to alter the words or gestures a politician uses to make it look like that person said something they never did. Because of these capabilities, deepfakes may be used to create fake celebrity pornographic videos or revenge porn. Deepfakes can also be used to create fake news and malicious hoaxes.
MORE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepfake
Search "deepfakes" on youtube for examples. I guarantee Team Russia is working on this right now.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)i really don't need to read further.
Cha
(297,256 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)and then mentioning justice dems. I'm not down with someone disparaging hogg.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)There is nothing new here. The ridiculous defensiveness is bizarre. She was condescending and dismissive during the conversation. That isn't all that happened, but it is part of it. The dismissiveness speaks to the fact that climate change has been on the back burner for too long and we are now in serious peril. The kids who are going to actually be here for it are begging people who will not be to pay more attention despite the fact that they have spent decades enabling energy companies. But those damn kids should fall in line and kiss their rings anyway.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Democrats. Thats what Justice Democrats does. We are not fooled.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I saw a video of kids questioning republicans and taking them to task on climate change, and didn't mind them holding them accountable. The possibility that they were amiable at some other point in the video didn't change the fact that they demeaned children and lacked substance in their talking points.
There are good reasons why people are rejecting party identification. One is that people stop holding them accountable. Because.... republicans are worse. And they're better than the alternative, and they deserve unconditional support because they won a few elections. It reminds me of the foolishness of the Greek system.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Their game is to propose a bunch of expensive programs and then leave Democrats holding the bag trying to answer questions that they dont bother with since thats no fun. its pretty low down to lie to children like this. They should have told them that this is a cynical ploy to get attention and the ones who should be answering their questions about the expensive program are Justice Democrats (founded by an ex Republican). They are not fooling anyone.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Blame someone else for failures to address serious problems and represent constituents in a way that considers the future. Status quo and worshiping the party elders is a silly demand to place on kids who are actually thinking they may have to watch human extinction.
Cha
(297,256 posts)by sneaky justice dems.. who only shot themselves in both feet.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)to some obscure Republicans you saw somewhere. How ridiculous to lie to kids and tell them they are going extinct. How ridiculous that Justice Democrats lies to these kids about a policy proposal and then shirked their obligations to answer questions about their own proposal.
You arent even following the plot. The video was edited. Like one Tweet said, shes not a hired nanny, shes a US Senator. Justice Democrats didnt have to manipulate kids.
malaise
(269,015 posts)Follow the pattern
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)want to leave elected Democrats holding the bag having to explain government/costs to children while they manipulate othrs into thinking Democrats are to blame for the Republican agendas. This is sickeningly dishonest.
Gothmog
(145,288 posts)Link to tweet
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George II
(67,782 posts)....was Saddam Hussein.