Good point re Feinstein "scandal"

[mcar]

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?s=19


TBogg
@tbogg
Keep in mind that the "progressives" who pull off these confront Democrats stunts, can't seem to find Cornyn or Grassley's offices.

They don't want to win or even compete, they just like to shit on things because it's easy and they're gutless.

[samnsara]

1. i agree!

..the REAL enemy are those who posed this stunt, then posted an edited vid of it. Go after THEM not US!..and WHY are just women being targeted?



DONT GET SNOOKERED FOLKS.






altho some already done got snookered....

[mcar]

5. Don't get snookered

+1000!

[DemocracyMouse]

40. Global Warming. 12 years to turn this around. Those kids are trying to encourage action.

Bravo to those kids and a parent for giving a damn.

Yes, they should also push the Republicans, but Frinstein was their rep.

Sometimes the clubbishness can't see the ACTUAL forest for the trees.

We have 12 years.

Bravo to those scared shitless kids.

[mcar]

50. How did the deceptive editing of the video help?

Yes, bravo kids. No one is criticizing the kids. The entire exercise seems to have been an O'Keefe type ratfck to hurt Democrats - thus hurting the climate change cause.

[Gothmog]

51. The video was edited and deceptive

Link to tweet

[Horizens]

84. Indefensible

The kids were shamelessly manipulated and used as props.

The video is a lie and indefensible.

[DemocracyMouse]

89. It's indefensible to not care about the Earth and to be

refusing to grasp what those children were saying. I've seen pre-school kids get things the over 60 set doesn't.

[whathehell]

96. I'm sure she cares..

Maybe.she just didn't feel like being "taken to task" by a bunch of 10 year olds, especially on camera.

[Paka]

104. Thank You.

[rwsanders]

106. Good job trying to jump in, but will be hearing these same sad excuses 25 years from now when things

are really bad.

[mountain grammy]

115. +10000

[sprinkleeninow]

43. Don't get bamboozled!

Thanks Barack! 😁

👍


💙🇺🇸🗽

[Cha]

59. That's what I was thinking.. Thanks for

saying it, sprinkleen!

[sprinkleeninow]

87. Mahalo, Cha!

Nie musimy o tým wspominać.

Dziękuję, moja Paní.

Po Polsku in honor of my auntie, Irene, and best girl, Jane.

💙🇺🇸🗽

[leftofcool]

2. Exactly right

These same people will denigrate any running Democrat that does not pass "their purity test."

[mcar]

6. One hoped they would have learned something

but it seems not.

[yardwork]

3. They just like to shit on Democrats. They're lazy.

[George II]

19. That's a great way to put it. The "deal" hasn't even been written but they're badgering...

....Representatives and Senators to vote for it, and trying to embarrass those who sensibly won't commit to supporting or voting for it..

Support what? Vote for what?

Abandon the publicity stunts and WRITE THE FUCKING THING, dammit!!!!

[Hortensis]

4. They're too busy gnawing at our ankles to confront Republicans

-- a huge indicator of what their true, dysfunctional passions are. As 2016 illustrated so dreadfully, there is literally no claimed policy goal that groups who exist to dissent won't sabotage in order to oppose the mainstream Democratic coalition.

[mcar]

7. Sad, but true

As 2016 illustrated so dreadfully, there is literally no claimed policy goal that groups who exist to dissent won't sabotage in order to oppose the mainstream Democratic coalition.

[George II]

20. Remember, Cenk Uygur - a person who didn't even become a "Democrat" until two years ago....

...is behind most of this.

[pazzyanne]

34. K & R

Could not agree more!

[Hortensis]

56. He's certainly been in the front in this era, all right,

almost a classic example of a left-wing teapartier type who claims to be for what Democrats are doing but devotes himself to sabotaging it.

But let's give the pro-Republican MSM, Russia's Putin, and the subversive groups funded by the Koch types their due too. It's yuuuge, as the legacy of their efforts would say.

[aikoaiko]

8. Or they want more out of the Democratic party whereas the republicans are a lost cause.

For the record, I don't approve of the heavily edited Feinstein video, but political stunts on Democrats and left of center officials is a strategy for improvement.

For example, we saw BLM demonstrate on all three major Democratic nominee candidates in 2016 because that is where gains could be made.

[mcar]

10. So we should eat our own?

and gain all kinds of "Dems in disarray" media attention in the process? What does that gain us?

I see no strategy for improvement in this. I see a strategy to weaken Democrats.

[aikoaiko]

13. And I have to admit that could have been the purpose of this heavily edited video.

But yes when groups are frustrated with a lack of response they do feel like that have to risk eating our own a bit.

And it works to an extent. But yeah, it could backfire.

Feinstein is fine. She not in an election cycle and she'll manage this crisis competently.

I do oppose the sentiment that criticizing our own is merely an attempt to be divisive or that protestors are gutless.

[mcar]

15. Criticizing, yes

Issuing a deceptively edited video is not criticism, it's ratfcking.

If the group wanted to criticize DiFi based on the entire video, fine. They didn't want to do that. They wanted to be deceptive to attack a Democrat.

[sprinkleeninow]

47. Voice of reason. n/t

[aikoaiko]

78. Sure, but the OP is about a larger topic - " these confront Democrats stunts"

Its not about the edited Feinstein tape only.

I would say "these confront Democrats stunts" includes things like BLM in the primaries or Dreamers confronting Pelosi as well as the Feinstein confrontation and edited tape.

The same criticisms of the demonstrators occurred -- why don't they confront Republicans?

I think the answer is as I said -- they see more hope by trying to change Democrats as opposed to Republicans.

[mcar]

82. Thanks for your reply

I don't see BLM and the Dreamers as being in the same category as Justice "Democrats". BLM and Dreamers have real issues, this was nothing but a stunt.

Of course, addressing climate change is huge. But cornering a Democratic Senator who has a good record on the issue, then deceptively editing the video to make her look bad, is not addressing the issue. It's a stupid purity test and sabotage.

[xmas74]

108. She isn't in an election cycle

But altered videos like this make her look ineffective. That could be a detriment to her when she later needs to reach out and make deals in an attempt to pass anything. People don't want to negotiate with someone portrayed as weak.

[Bilegurken]

114. Yes. If there are people in the party who deserve to be eaten

We should eat them.

[mcar]

118. Please, do tell us who those people are

[Bilegurken]

119. I'm sure you'd like that.

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But some dems are indeed, compromised by corporate interests. Sorry you had to hear it from me. There are plenty of resources out there. You'll figure it out. I believe in you.

[George II]

23. You don't get more out of the Democratic Party by staging fake confrontations and....

....and then misrepresenting it.

If I were in Congress and they pulled that shit on me that would be the last time I had anything to do with them.

[mcar]

9. Clearly, Dems are the problem (sarcasm)

Link to tweet

Salome Strangelove
@salstrange
GOP allies are being exposed for literally running underage sex trafficking rings and making sweetheart deals with pedophiles.

Feinstein explained the boring realities of legislation to a bunch of kids in a way some people find condescending.

Clearly, Dems are the problem

[Cha]

60. Thanks for that Tweet, mcar!

[mcar]

73. This whole thing makes me so angry, Cha

[Cha]

77. It's RF 101.. on A Dem who has "multiple Climate Proposals.."

Link to tweet

Wth did they hope to accomplish with their editing?

[mcar]

79. Getting negative publicity on a strong woman Democrat?

Given the attacks I'm seeing this week in the media, I have to wonder.

[Cha]

80. Looks like it's Backfiring on

their meddling ass.

[mcar]

83. Still on WaPo's front page

Even though it's false.

[Cha]

85. Damn derelict media

[mcar]

86. You should read the comments

No, don't, it's not worth it. So much hate.

[uponit7771]

91. +1, Chuck Todd ... dems like children ... republicans like children that means both parties do it

[Wounded Bear]

11. It's why I seldom react to intial reports of stories...

the details that come later very often refute the story, often completely. It works on just about everything, from personal hit pieces like the DiFi thing on up to the hyperbolic coverage of mass shootings. Everybody wants to look smart by getting out in front of the story, and there is seldom any backlash when bogus stories are proven wrong, unless the RW media has its way of course. They seem to be able to end careers when they want to, but are somehow immune to it themselves.

[erronis]

44. Good advice for all of us. Don't be so anxious to comment before knowing more of the facts.

But I guess that's the nature of this social media. And who goes back to see which comments were accurate/fair and which were not?

[mcar]

12. Don't share misinformation

Link to tweet

Shannon Watts
✔
@shannonrwatts
The video of Sen. Feinstein was selectively edited to mislead people, similar to the Jim Acosta/White House intern video and the Covington video. You may still not like the outcome of the longer video, but at least watch it in its entirety and don’t share misinformation.

[RelativelyJones]

14. Amen

[samnsara]

16. im blocking that sunrise group..they remind me of the tea party..

..bullying tactics by either side is a huge turnoff and to use kids is shameful. Those little ones dont even know what they are talking about. Have them each go out and DO ONE thing a day to help the planet… not TELL them what to say.

[erronis]

46. Wonder who is funding this effort? Those kids still have to eat and play.

[Tumbulu]

97. Agree!

[Arazi]

17. They were from CA and Feinstein is their representative

[mcar]

21. I am aware of that

Who is saying they shouldn't see their Senator? The issue is the doctored video and the ensuing hair-on-fire responses from people.

[George II]

24. Unfortunately they accomplished their goal.

[Tumbulu]

98. Exactly!

[George II]

18. Funny how a camera crew just happened to be there and a doctored video of the "discussion"....

....showed up hours later.

How can Senator Feinstein commit to voting for something that hasn't even been written?

[mcar]

22. Right?

Seems like they wanted a certain reaction and did whatever they needed to in order to get it. They could have made an appointment and engaged with their Senator. Instead they resorted to cheap tricks and ratfcking.

[sprinkleeninow]

48. Huh. 🤔

[Cha]

61. Yes, what a Coincidence!

How did that happen?

Link to tweet

[xmas74]

109. I know!

I couldn't even have my cell phone turned on when visiting my state rep last week, no photos with a group and he demanded that anything he said was off the record or else he would deny a meeting.

We went through all that for a state assemblyman but this group was able to have a camera crew?

[mcar]

25. Now trying to smear Malcolm Nance

This is just shameful.

Link to tweet

Wow. The former Bernie/AOC staffer who pushed the heavily-edited Feinstein video falsely accused Malcolm Nance of smearing the kids. In fact, the alleged video of Malcolm smearing the kids was Malcolm talking about the Russians. Shahid still hasn’t taken down the tweet.

[Cha]

62. Waleed isn't too smart, is he?

Thank You for that!

[George II]

110. He's now tweeting sarcastic comments about an NBA game, claiming that the highlights....

....are "doctored" because they didn't show every single point that a player scored.

Digging a hole and making it deeper. Not smart and not very credible, either.

[Cha]

112. Waleed Shahid is Gaslit. Get a Bigger Shovel Shahid

Link to tweet

[Hekate]

64. Christ on a trailer hitch, it just got worse. ...

"Former Bernie/AOC staffer" pushed the video? I demand that Bernie and AOC utterly condemn the person and group who did this increasingly-heinous thing.

DiFi, now Malcolm Nance -- how many others are the Sunrise group planning to smear and try to take down?

[mcar]

74. I demand it too

Bernie and AOC must speak out - they and their supporters would demand the same if they were smeared in such a false, dishonest manner.

[oasis]

92. They should condemn the guilty parties or explain why they won't. nt

[George II]

113. It'll never happen. BTW, this afternoon Sunshine Movement and Waleed also...

...went after Frank Pallone. Where does it end?

[ehrnst]

120. When someone goes after fact checkers, you know they're not very secure

in their facts... and it shows a thin skin.

[Honeycombe8]

26. If there's a scandal, I can't find it in the news. What scandal? nt

[mcar]

29. All over social media since last night

Also see post #28 in this thread. Fox News is on it.

[Honeycombe8]

30. I don't see a post 28.

So it must be by someone on my ignore list.

Oh, well. No matter. OAC causing trouble again, it seems like. Color me shocked.

[mcar]

31. And Justice Democrats

who don't really seem to be Democrats, or like us much.

[DFW]

90. It's down below this post, maybe that's why?

I have a vague idea how the ignore function works, but I've never used it. I've been heckled by some offensive posters over the years (95% of them are gone now, anyway), but I've never put anyone on ignore. I figure you never know when someone who is usually not worth listening to might get some inspiration and say something I find interesting some time (exception--the one poster who only comes on here to defend Monsanto. I didn't even put them on ignore, but I ignore them just the same). There are definitely some one-track minds around these days, and several obvious one-trick ponies with an agenda (paid or not, it's all the same), but I hold out hope and don't use the ignore function. Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment.

[mcar]

32. And, of course, NYT has it

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142273082

[Honeycombe8]

69. Thanks.

I earlier saw a video of her with some kids, but it didn't seem that big of a deal, although I didn't watch most of it.

Kids of course don't know about the dollars and cents and practicalities of things. They're children.

In any case, I don't see this as a scandal...except I saw posts referencing the intentional editing of the video. If that was done by our own party members, that IS a scandal.

[mcar]

72. That's why I put it in quotes

But you are right, the deceptive editing IS a scandal.

[Hekate]

66. Start here and note who's in the flame fest...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211854688

There have been several subsequent threads debunking the original claim, but those who want to hate on good Dems are not persuaded by facts.

[Honeycombe8]

70. Thanks. Will do. nt

[RussBLib]

27. disinformation campaigns in high gear

oh boy

[George II]

28. They're doing the work of the right wing. Here's how Fox News "reported" it:

Dianne Feinstein scolds kids who pushed her to back Green New Deal: 'I know what I'm doing'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dianne-feinstein-scolds-kids-who-pushed-her-to-back-green-new-deal-i-know-what-im-doing

[DRoseDARs]

33. It's almost like TBogg was born sometime in the past few months...

...and is completely unaware of all the times Republicans/conservatives *have* been confronted by Democrats/liberals/progressives. In their offices. To their faces. I mean shit, they've had the police called on them for daring to protest and stage sit-ins and die-ins. AOC invited one as her guest to the SotU who confronted a Republican member of Congress in an elevator over Kavanagh.

Anyone using progressive as a pejorative is either a conservative, a Russian bot, or a simp who has learned newspeak taught them by the former. Shame on each and every one of you.

[mcar]

36. You apparently don't know Mr. Bogg

[DRoseDARs]

37. You apparently don't have anything to say to my post.

Care to explain why they would make such a thunderously vapid claim that conservatives aren't confronted?

[mcar]

42. Was it Justice Democrats doing those protests

Or real Democrats and progressives?

[DRoseDARs]

45. And there it is. The newspeak.

No true Scotsman is your argument, eh?

[mcar]

49. Excuse me?

[Cha]

65. justice democrats are Not "progressive"

they're sneaky RF with an agenda.

Link to tweet

[mcar]

76. You answered it better than I

[Cha]

105. Thanks!

[aeromanKC]

35. How Bernie Bros of them

#PutinApproves

[pdsimdars]

38. We all know the GOP isn't going to do the right thing, we just can't understand

why the DEMS aren't doing the right thing. Maybe it's because no one is calling them out, but only calling out the right.

[Cha]

67. The Vid was Edited..

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[Hekate]

68. Then why "call out" a California Senator with a good record on the environment? Why?

[ooky]

39. The irony of the whole thing is if they are really worried about climate change, and

then they go out and help whip up votes against the only people who want to help them. They are as ignorant and stupid as the Redhats themselves. And they are training their children to do it too.

These fools are pretty much guaranteed to go out and waste votes on Stein again.

[loyalsister]

71. Who whips up votes against who?

Public servants should be able to accept criticism with generosity. Unconditional loyalty is not a good thing. In fact it's dangerous.
The young people are begging Dems to raise their standards and do something about it after 2 generations have failed to effectively address climate change. Boomers and Xers have failed these kids. They are looking at a bleak future that those of us who are older will not see.

[ooky]

101. And so helping Republicans benefits them how?

Enabling Republican's with an event at a Democratic Senator's office to create a false narrative from are going to help them achieve their Green goals? Would it have been as effective to call her and tell her how they felt instead of setting up a grandstanding event at her office? Did they know what plan she supported before they came? Was she even contacted to find out where she stood on climate policy?

Feinstein handled it fine in my opinion.

[loyalsister]

102. And you know for a fact this helps republicans?

Or are you asumming that if anyone criticizes a Democrat we will automatically lose votes?

[ooky]

103. It seemed like a play right out of the Jill Stein playbook to me.

[loyalsister]

107. Of course, green party members complain that democrats are spoiling their fun

It has to be that or some other kind of conspiracy because kids are too stupid to be civic minded.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. Like ultra-vegans pouring paint on 70 yo women's fur coats rather than Hells Angels leather jackets.

[Hekate]

75. This

[Gothmog]

52. This attack on Senator Feinstein is sad

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[iamthebandfanman]

53. If this BS

keeps up, the party is going to split. just sayin'. i dont know when it became a sin to be progressive or liberal on DU but apparently it is.
whats next? you going to call them crisis actors?
please.
jesus christ.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

55. If this is BS?

It is BS alright.

Stunts arranged to harm liberal Democrats are BS.

It stinks to high heaven.

[mcar]

58. It sure does

We don't need intra-party ratfcking.

[Honeycombe8]

99. I'm confused. Who edited the video to make it seem worse? Does anyone know? nt

[George II]

57. You catch a lot more flies with honey than vinegar. The Sunshine Movement is using vinegar.

[Cha]

81. Yes, justice democrats better stop this shite..

Link to tweet

[hughee99]

54. If I wanted to change someone's mind about a piece of legislation, I think I'd have more luck

talking to a Dem that's not on board yet instead of a republican who will never get on board. Having said that, this isn't how I would go about it.

[Sunsky]

63. I've been saying the same thing

This is the same ole crap from the last Gen election. The tried and true way to get Republicans elected. I cannot believe we are going down the divisive path again

[betsuni]

88. They should go find Al Gore and yell at him about the Green New Deal

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and when he tries to talk, interrupt and angrily accuse him of not doing anything about climate change because he's old. While they're at it.

[Me.]

93. This Might Explain It

“Not Aimed at Passing Right Now": Green New Deal Agitators Admit They're Not Interested in Immediate Climate Action”

“That is what has been happening with self-proclaimed champions of the “Green New Deal” and its principal activist backers, the Sunrise Movement. On Friday, February 22, a group of activists organized a number of children to show up at the San Francisco office of California Senator Diane Feinstein to deliver to her their demands that she vote Yes on the Green New Deal (GND). The Sunrise Movement then released a highly-edited 2-minute clip of the group’s interaction with Sen. Feinstein - with whom, I might mention, they did not bother making an appointment despite having planned it on their own calendar - to make it appear that Fenstein was a grouchy old lady yelling at kids to get off her lawn.

But then, somebody on Twitter - specifically, Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher - decided to do the job too many in our mainstream media can no longer be troubled to do: post the full video of the entire time Feinstein spent with Sunrise/GND activists, in six two-minute-and-twenty-second increments (must be Twitter’s video time limit). In Part 5, after the crowd had started to leave, we find this nugget. Watch the beginning:

Here, we hear a GND/Sunrise activists - one of the adults in the group that organized the children - shockingly admit the truth: the version of Green New Deal they want Feinstein and other members of Congress to sign on to is not actually a thing that is meant to pass. “I think the thing is that this particular resolution isn’t something that’s aimed at passing right now, obviously,” she says. She then goes on to say that the point of voting on their version of the GND is to “show the world what we really need.”

Here, we hear a GND/Sunrise activists - one of the adults in the group that organized the children - shockingly admit the truth: the version of Green New Deal they want Feinstein and other members of Congress to sign on to is not actually a thing that is meant to pass. “I think the thing is that this particular resolution isn’t something that’s aimed at passing right now, obviously,” she says. She then goes on to say that the point of voting on their version of the GND is to “show the world what we really need.”

https://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2019/2/23/not-aimed-at-passing-right-now-green-new-deal-agitators-admit-theyre-not-interested-in-immediate-climate-action

[welivetotreadonkings]

94. They tried to arrange a meeting at Mitch McConnell's office.

[UTUSN]

95. Exactly.

[Gothmog]

100. From Senator Feinstein

Link to tweet

?s=20

[PADemD]

111. Today was a day of action by the Sunrise Movement

Where do you see Justice Democrats as sponsors? And what’s wrong with being progressive?

Nationwide Day of Action for a Green New Deal Sponsored by: Sunrise
Additional Sponsors: Peoples Climate Movement, Climate Hawks Vote, Democracy for America, Franciscan Action Network, CREDO Action, Power Shift Network

https://www.sunrisemovement.org/

I watched the long version and the edited version, and got the same impression of Dianne Feinstein’s willingness to sign on to the Green New Deal and her dismissive attitude toward the children. Maybe they didn’t vote for her, but their parents did.

FWIW, this was a nationwide effort to visit all members of Congress, not just Dianne Feinstein.

[mcar]

117. The person who edited and released the deceptive video

is from Justice Democrats.

Who said anything was wrong with being progressive? I think it's wrong to deceptively edit videos to smear a Democratic Senator. What do you think about that?

Why is the Green New Deal a purity test? Why can't Democrats have their own ideas about combatting climate change, as does Feinstein?

I look for healthy debate, not falling in line with something that is, at this point, only a resolution - or else. What's wrong with healthy debate about the best way to combat climate change?

[ripcord]

116. This may be the most important election any of us will ever see

And we are going to go into it more fragmented than the last one, I'm sad, depressed and incredibly disappointed.