Thoughts on how Senator Feinstein handled this?

[Lotusflower70]

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I also posted the full video after it came out. I am disgusted how Senator Feinstein was attacked. But I think this is an example of the fact that we need to pay attention to divisive forces.

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[Autumn]

1. Terrible, shame on her. It's all over FB.

When The little girl told her "some scientists say we have 12 years left to turn this around " and she responded with "Well it's not going to get turned around in 10 years" my heart broke from the look on the little girls face.

[RandySF]

126. Yeah, it was edited to look that way.

[Grasswire2]

129. wow, the horse leaves the barn fast here!!!

Do people not understand the need to verify, to authenticate??

This is going to be a VERRRRRRRRY LONG SLOG til 2020.

[Clash City Rocker]

154. If Feinstein isn't liberal enough for them, or is too old for their tastes

They may not want to verify it. If it validates their personal beliefs about her, veracity may not matter.

I’m not saying that’s true about everyone who participated in the feeding frenzy below, but it may be true for some of them.

[George II]

187. Yes it is. It's a shame that Democrats are being attacked "from within".

Why didn't they go to McConnell's office?

[dogman]

200. They did.

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Surprise, no luck.

[Autumn]

161. Proof? Her words are faked? She didn't say those things? nt

[RandySF]

174. What's the point? I can tell you want it to be true.

[Autumn]

175. No I don't want it to be true. I watched the unedited video. Her words her attitude were

still the same. Her staff invited them they didn't crash her busy day with a protest. I don't see that the additional context makes her words any better. She was arrogant and condescending to their concerns. They can get money for anything else they want, but for climate change no dice? The kid was spot on about the military. We can't afford not to. We have 10-12 years to curb carbon emissions before it's too late. What the fuck are we waiting for? Maybe it is time to those kids who want a future to raise hell any way they can.

[George II]

186. She said a lot more than what was presented - the confrontation was more than 15 minutes, but....

....the video that was released was doctored to portray the incident differently than it really was, and lasted only two minutes.

Here's a simple example to demonstrate what editing/doctoring can do:

I say:

"I think Hillary Clinton is great and think Donald trump is an asshole."

That can be doctored, without even changing the order of any words, to read:

"I think Hillary Clinton is an asshole."

NOTHING in that second statement is "fake", but it sure isn't what I intended to say.

Got it?

[Autumn]

190. I watched it George. The context made it better but not all that much better.

Part of what she said was left out but her words in the shorter video didn't seem to be changed. if they were someone will eventually post about it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

194. iTS OVER, were done, fuck this...I knew it.

say goodbye to America and pretty soon the ability to breathe on the planet

i am gonna go look at the ocean, dont have time anymore for idiots like the ones trying to DESTROY democratic party

[workinclasszero]

148. Yeah

It was terrible and a shame those kids got smacked in the face basically.

"Sorry kids, noting we can do, enjoy the apocalyptic hellscape you will spend most of your lives in."

That about covers it huh?

[yardwork]

151. Shame on everybody who created and promoted this misleading hit job against Feinstein.

Adults manipulating children for a political power grab, while cynically pretending to care about the environment.

I have lost a lot of respect for AOC and the so-called Justice Democrats. I can forgive rookie mistakes but this shows poor character and lack of ethics.

[Autumn]

162. Her staff invited them up for a meeting. Who manipulated who?

AOC and the Justice Democrats, the great boogymen forced her staff to invite the group up after a rally?.

[yardwork]

164. We're not putting up with this bullshit this time around.

[ismnotwasm]

184. Oh my.

[Autumn]

189. Yeah, oh my. That was my reaction to it too. People were idiots to release an edited video.

[George II]

191. Glad you agree:

[Autumn]

193. I missed your post saying people were idiots to release an edited video so I really didn't

agree with you George . I just posted my opinion.

[George II]

226. +1,000,000

[samnsara]

158. so she should have patted the girl on the head and said OK i promise to go home tonight and fix it.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

170. How about take them seriously?

How about agree and say you are and will fight as hard as you can to try and fix it? How about thank them for caring and worming for change and encourage them to continue fighting? How about give them the names of Rs that might vote for it too?

How hard is that?

[George II]

211. You obviously didn't watch the belatedly posted full 15 minute video. She DID take them seriously..

...and reviewed her plan to address this issue, and she DID thank them.

The full video was only posted (along with false reasons for the edit) after the uproar they created by originally passing it off as the video.

She was blindsided and addressed it perfectly.

[Cha]

216. Diane Did Take Them Seriously..

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[NurseJackie]

222. She did.

It's deceptive disinformation to claim otherwise.

[Autumn]

171. No. Our elected leaders should take climate change serious and realize people,

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even kids are concerned. It's not a thousand year down the road, it's here now.

[ehrnst]

208. Anger at Feinstein on this issue is misdirected.

League of Conservation Voters Scorecard:

2017 Score Lifetime Score
100% 90

http://scorecard.lcv.org/moc/dianne-feinstein

Environment
Feinstein and Senator Alan Cranston worked for over 10 years to pass the California Desert Protection Act. The bill was signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1994. The bill protected 7,661,089 acres (31,003 km2) of California's desert lands as wilderness and national parks.[5] The Act doubled the size of the National Wilderness Preservation System in California, and was the largest wilderness bill in California's history.

Senators Feinstein and Barbara Boxer were the champions of the Northern California Coastal Wild Heritage Wilderness Act, which was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 17, 2006. The bill protected 275,830 acres (1,116 km2) of federal land as wilderness, and 21 miles (34 km) of stream as a wild and scenic river, including such popular areas as the King Range and Cache Creek.[6] Senators Feinstein and Boxer worked with Representative Mike Thompson, the sponsor of the bill in the House, in the 5-year effort to pass the legislation.

Feinstein, along with her colleague Boxer, voted in favor of subsidy payments to conventional commodity farm producers, at the cost of subsidies for conservation-oriented farming.[7] More recently, Feinstein has not taken a stand on the widely criticized subsidies in the 2007 U.S. Farm Bill.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Dianne_Feinstein#Environment

[yardwork]

220. It's not going to get turned around in 10 years even if we all wish real hard.

It's going to take a lot more than kumbaya to get something done.

[elleng]

2. Too bad, she's tired? and allowed herself to be questioned in the wrong forum.

She should have done better.

[Cha]

217. Diane did "do better"..

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[elleng]

219. Yes, she did.

Awful that some manufactured this.

[LuckyCharms]

3. Oh God that was awful. n/t

[jalan48]

4. Out of touch on this one.

[appal_jack]

5. Woefully cringe-tastic.

I have no words that would stay within the DU ToS...

-app

[aikoaiko]

6. Is it possible to confirm the audio? The audio and video is not synched well.

Something seems off about it. I don't know the twitter account or the people involved.

But if its true, its terrible.

[VarryOn]

7. Wow! That was a perfect example...

Of a politician who thinks the job is hers as long as she wants it (which is largely true!). She could have been gracious and respectful without ascenting to their position. That was really out of character for her...as far as Ive ever seen. I dont see why she felt the need to be so mean.

She needs to apologize.

[samnsara]

159. dont get snookered. she acted entirely apprpriate..

.. DONT GET SNOOKERED FOLKS!!!!!

[VarryOn]

173. I watched the complete video, and you're right..

The original video relase was edited to make her look as bad as possible.

I always get a little nauseated when people use kids like this.

[melman]

8. Terrible

Beyond terrible.

[sheshe2]

224. You watched a carefully edited clip.

Not the full vid.

Terrible. Beyond terrible.

[melman]

227. I've seen the whole video

My opinion didn't change.

[sheshe2]

228. Got it.

Clearly.

[ProudLib72]

9. Had to turn it off midway through

That was horrible!

[Bleacher Creature]

10. That was unbelievably awful.

There's just no excuse for a Democratic Senator from California to act like that on this issue. Hell, even Doug Jones, who is in as tough a situation as there is for a Democrat, would have at least known to be civil with a group of kids.

What the hell is wrong with her, and why can't California do better?

[Cha]

93. Just so you know.. the Vid was edited..

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[Bleacher Creature]

95. That makes me feel better.

Thanks, Cha!!!

[Cha]

97. You're Welcome, Bleacher Creature!

[question everything]

130. Thank you

But even without the editing, these young kids, and their teacher(?) have to learn the art of debating, not of demanding. This is what democracy is all about.

[Cha]

133. Exactly.. and who edited for their own

agenda?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

143. Cringeworthy for sure.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[George II]

212. The full video wasn't unbelievably awful, which is probably why they were afraid to post it...

...until the uproar.

[Bleacher Creature]

213. Yeah, I know.

Serves me right for posting before I knew the full story. I was going to delete my post, but figured I deserved to have it up so that I looked like the idiot I was.

[George II]

214. Nah, it happens. Thanks for being upfront about it, an uncommon trait for some of us!

[UTUSN]

11. Let's be real: "children" ain't equal to an old lady for debating purposes.

Somebody is using children as a ploy. The adults using them should be the ones talking to the old lady. As for FEINSTEIN's answer, it is just real that the troglodyte Repuke world we live in is NOT going to fix things in any foreseeable future. O.K., flame it out.

[UTUSN]

14. Also, I took the O.P.'s request for "thoughts" literally, so there's that (mine).

[Lotusflower70]

18. True that

I kind felt like the kids were being used here. The one mom was rude and disrespectful as well. The shouting and interrupting didn't help. I get why people are upset. Some are saying that Senator Feinstein is mean to children. But she also mentioned her grandchildren. But she wasn't going to change her mind with a small moment in time.

[UTUSN]

20. Thanks for being real and not taking it wrong from me.

[Lotusflower70]

28. No problem

I can see that both sides of the situation have issues and concerns but I don't think it was completely fair. Senator Feinstein has been in this position for a long time. She has experience and wisdom..I know young people have enthusiasm and creativity. Instead of going against each other, working together is the way to go.

[theophilus]

47. Definitely experience. I did not see much wisdom. n/t

[Cha]

96. It's being reported that the Vid was edited, Lotusflower..

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[Lotusflower70]

209. Thanks

I did post the full version after it came out. We have to remain vigilant.

[Ms. Toad]

26. There should be adults helping the children with administrative details of arranging a lobby visit

(I'm guessing from the location of the visit that it was either a walk-in - or they only taped the tail end of the visit). But it is perfectly appropriate for the children to take the lead.

You underestimate the ability of children of the age range in that group to form and articulate strong political views. No one used me at age 11 when I engaged in my first act of civil disobedience. My parents supported me after I announced it to them, but they did not suggest it (or tell me I needed to let the adults take the lead). No one used me any of the other half-dozen times I took a stand on principle in connection with school policies between then and graduation (one of which cost me the valedictorian spot, when the teacher believed I was bluffing), and no one used me at age 18 when I made my first lobby visit to the U.S. Senate. That visit was not organized by youth, but I was an equal participant it it with people who ages spanned at least 3 generations.

[UTUSN]

33. I'm 72 and still lack maturity and insight and life experience in different areas.

I don't equate DiFi's age with unquestioned correctness. I also don't bestow MOZART type insight on those or most children. If they don't even know the history of the old lady they are mouthing off to, that's a big disqualifier about their knowing what they are talking about. They might very well be right but I doubt they came about their views from precocious insight of their own.

[Ms. Toad]

41. Again, you underestimate the ability of children of the age range in that group

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to form and articulate strong political views.

I'm pretty sure you did not come about to your views from your own insight (precocious or not). Each of us develops our moral and political compasses in communication with others. There is no reason to dismiss children's views purely because they were likely exposed to the views of others, anymore than it would be appropriate to dismiss the views of adults for the same reason.

Acknowledging that children can have and articulate important and strongly held political views isn't bestowing Mozart-type insight. It is recognizing that children can and do have strongly held views. Sometimes in line with their parents - sometimes not. There is no reason for these children to let the adults speak for them. They are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves - and they shoudl be respected.

As a lobbying strategy, it is certainly better to know the history of the person they are speaking with - but I can guarantee you that a lot of adults who visit Congress to lobby their Congress critters don't know the history of the senators or representatives they are speaking with. What is important is they have a clear purpose, a concrete ask, and a short series of talking points in support of their ask. To the extent they were deficient, it was in the last - but it is not clear from the tape that we were seeing the entire visit (at which they might have discussed the talking points), or that they were permitted to discuss them (they certainly were not in the tape we saw).

ETA: I have now watched the full video. The children did have talking points to support their ask. I've seen adult lobby visits that weren't any more sophisticated.

[UTUSN]

82. It ain't a stretch for children to underestimate others or to patronize

or talk down to others. If you and I are capable of it all, why not them (not a question).

[Ms. Toad]

156. I didn't suggest otherwise.

My point is that was solely that the children in the video are quite capable of having a conversation with a senator, without adults stepping in and converting it into a conversation between the adults and the senator.

[UTUSN]

165. No, even in this truncated version their 20-something sponsors stepped in

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and preached to DiFi what they had clearly indoctrinated the kids with.

I have no disagreement with the subject of their concern but with the cult/parrot/zealot approach/attitude. At 72, I have seen many election losses from 3rd party purist zealots - named Greens, Nader, yes-MY generation of Hippies and whatever other Faddists of whatever stripe. My generation of good-dude McGOVERN took us to flaming defeat symbolized by his pandering to his supporters' animus to the military by hiding his military excellent record that might have drawn support. My generation of hippies thought we knew everything NEW and thought we could throw everything we didn't dream up out. So, AGAIN NO, children are not original thinkers to be deified.

****ON EDIT, addendum: What - not just those children, or *any* children - but rather any HUMANS - need is *HOW* to learn, with *what* to learn coming afterwards/including with their own insight after they know how. The children in that video were clearly, obviously parroting what their mentors told them. They were *not* "empowered", they were cookie cut. And this is not about those particular children because their mentors themselves don't "get" the concept of HOW to think, and probably a large majority of humans as a whole aren't either. But here's a question, instead going to browbeat an ally/DiFi, why didn't that group go find wingnuts to attempt to convert, and if browbeating doesn't work why not escalate to water boarding or the vast number of techniques that humans have used forever - futilely, if this word needs to be added. Instead, the twitter poster of the video gave themselves away with the threat for "new leadership." Yip, throw out DiFi who is at a different stage of achieving what THEY want - an earlier stage, working with the POSSIBLE - and trade her (and many of US) in for replacements who will work against what they want - THAT's the ticket!1

[MrsCoffee]

57. That's pretty over the fucking top to claim that a woman who has been fighting for the

Democratic Party and their platform for decades doesn't care because she is gonna be dead and then try to equate her to Republicans.

Give me a break.

[Cha]

69. Yeah it Was.

[still_one]

77. Darn right. I doubt they even know what her record is on the environment

yet alone on anything else. They are sheep being spoon fed with some false propaganda by who knows who.


She has a distinguished liberal record from when she was on the Board of Supervisor in SF, to her Senate career

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Dianne_Feinstein.htm

This is not unlike the same garbage they tried to pull on Pelosi and Hillary, by painting them as something they are not

[MrsCoffee]

58. Also, here is the draft of her plan.

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/b/5/b54a564f-f750-48b4-99fe-3608d626a1bc/19EB91A5CF1C8211EF585179F7BB0E73.2019.02.22-climate-change-resolution.pdf

[question everything]

131. Well said. Thanks

[tymorial]

203. People use children as political chess pieces ALL THE TIME

I don't care the topic, I never find it endearing.

[Ms. Toad]

13. Her response is really tone deaf - but

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I'm wondering if the video started in the middle of the conversation. They are talking past each other - neither the children, nor Feinstein explained what their version of the Green New Deal was - yet each seems to be point blank rejecting the other's view as if they know what it is.

In addition, every lobbying visit I've made (including those when I was not much older than these kids) took place in a conference room sitting around a table. This appears to be in a lobby area - which raises questions both about whether the video started in the middle, and also whether the kids had an appointment to meet with her or caught her off guard (not really an excuse - but would make it a bit more understandable). Kids wouldn't necessarily know to make an appointment - but presumably there were adults with them would know.

ETA: I've now looked at the entire video. This is just a snippet of the most tone-deaf portion. The meeting was a walk-in. The children were invited up to deliver the letter, but it ended up in a longer than 10-minute policy discussion - and she had another scheduled meeting that this impromptu visit was interfering with, so I suspect that at last partly accounts for the impatient tone.

[Autumn]

16. The older girl who was speaking was 16. I hope we find out more on this.

[suffragette]

27. More info in this article, including full video.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/22/dianne-feinstein-viral-video-green-new-deal-kids/

From the article and full video, Feinstein dug in her heels early in the meeting, which is a shame.

Near the end, Isha Clarke (the 16 year old) inquired about an internship with Feinstein and Feinstein, to her credit, immediately responded with offering her one.

We may be seeing a budding and very well-spoken future candidate there!

[Autumn]

46. Thanks, that was awesome

[Ms. Toad]

31. Yes - and I was 18 when I made my first lobby visit.

I do want to know what happened between the gathering point video and the conversation with Feinstein.

(Whatever happened, she blew it because she did not take them seriously - but her bad performance might be tempered a bit if the video cut out conversation that preceded the second half of the video - of if it was a drop-in without an appointment.

[Autumn]

38. The senator's staff invited Clarke, the 16 year old and several other kids and activists upstairs

for an impromptu meeting after a rally. On the bright side Clarke, the young girl asked how she could intern and Feinstein offered her an internship.



https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/22/dianne-feinstein-viral-video-green-new-deal-kids/

[Ms. Toad]

42. Thanks for the additional info! n/t

[MLAA]

15. Unfortunately, I think it is already too late.

[Blue_true]

221. Actually, it isn't.

There are things that each of us can do. One that I love is planting succulent plants near all roadways in climates where they grow well. Aloe Vera grows well in Florida. Plant a horseshoe of Aloe Vera or Neem plants around every tree in your yard, the plants convert CO compounds 24/7 and aloe acts as a water storage facility for the tree and nearby lawn during droughts.

I believe that we will one day be able to collect CO compounds in the atmosphere.

Don't get me wrong, the situation is desperate and our leaders are not making it better, but it is by no means hopeless.

[MLAA]

223. I started doing my part 5 or 6 yrs ago by only eating plants. I understand if we all went that way

We might be able to have an impact. But based on reactions when I post the occasional post about going plant based, I don’t see the majority willing to go that route.

Hope you are right, but meanwhile I am trying to live every day to the fullest 😉

[Blue_true]

225. You should try to live each day full regardless. None of us know the day we will die. nt

[Polybius]

17. I thought her answer was brilliant

Disrespectful girl: We're the people who voted you. You're supposed to listen to us, that's your job
Senator Feinstein: How old are you?
Disrespectful girl: I'm 16
Senator Feinstein: Well you didn't vote for me!

[R B Garr]

21. Exactly, it was just a cynical set up. So phony.

What a shame to use children like this.

[theophilus]

51. The children were honest and care about living.

DiFi needs to repent and do something for a change. A change? It's coming.

[Cha]

74. You fell for it.

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[Me.]

78. John Aravosis, On Twitter, Who Is No DiFi Fan

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Wait, so it was Ocasio-Cortez’s campaign staff who made the doctored video of Feinstein — a video that doesn’t look nearly as bad when you watch the entire thing — to make her look bad, à la James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas?

John Aravosis
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The way they edited the video, it looks like Feinstein walks out and yells at the kids and then leaves. That’s not what happened. It was a 15-20 minute visit that went pretty well. I watched the whole thing. This kind of editing reeks of James O’Keefe. Who did this?

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So how much of this sort of thing is AOC going to be involved in. I'm glad you posted this Cha because DiFi is being slammed all over the place.

[Cha]

86. WOW.. I wondered who edited the Video!

Wth is AOC's staff thinking to edit this video? If that really happened('cause it looks like everything needs to be verified).. what did they hope to accomplish?!

If so they need to Apologize to DiFi.

Thank you for posting your tweet from Aravois, Me! He's "no fan" but he's reality based as we are.

[PufPuf23]

118. Goody. Two for one.

Get to bash AOC and defend the undefendable Diane Feinstein.

Some of us live in a different reality and that does not make us bad Democrats. Just unfortunately displeased.

[Cha]

120. I asked a damn question.. I'm going by what

John Aravois wrote.. I'd like to know from whomever Edited the Vid.. What The Hell were they thinking?

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[R B Garr]

128. Edited videos are not reality, and Feinstein is certainly defendable

[G_j]

188. Is there a source

available re: Ocasio-Cortez campaign staff doctoring the video?

[Me.]

197. Might Be On The Original Twitter Thread

[Me.]

229. There Is This

Justice Democrat official Waleed Shahid identified as the source of doctored Feinstein video

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=11858166

[Hekate]

83. Thank you Cha and Me. Lord love a duck, this kind of OP and thread...

...make me want to just quit DU. There is way too much of this going on right now.

[Cha]

87. You're Welcome, Hekate.. we just have

to try our best that Reality Based News Rules.

[mahina]

160. Exactly. I most count of how many tines she was interrupted.

[Cha]

73. This was an edited video and a total hitjob and it's depressing how many people who consider..

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[Me.]

88. ...

good on you Cha....

[Cha]

90. Rampage of Truth Bombs.

And, I just fell into this thread accidently.

Mahalo, Me.. You, too!

[R B Garr]

101. This is just horrible. Such dishonesty and to drag kids

into it is truly disgusting. This type of dishonesty is going to backfire, big time. Good catch, Cha!

[Cha]

110. I just happened to see the tweet..

here's another one from Me, RB..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11855123

[R B Garr]

119. That is just shocking and beyond inappropriate. This

needs to be exposed and investigated. I said on another thread it looks like an ethics violation. Justice Democrats should quit attacking Democrats.

Thanks for the link, Cha!

[Cha]

121. Yes, I read it was "justice democrats"..

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Where did you see it was justice democrats, RB?

I hope they get Exposed if they pulled this shite.

[R B Garr]

123. It was on the original Twitter feed on the first thread here.

There were people already on it, saw it was a hit job.

[Cha]

125. Oh good.. thanks for the verification!

I missed the first thread.. just fell into this one accidently and saw all hell breaking loose.. and evidently based on something that isn't reality based.

[R B Garr]

136. I think it's on this thread under "people are discussing"

in the OP. Maybe I clicked a couple links in there, too. There were vids of Feinstein’s climate speeches. Glad people were on this! Such BS!

[Cha]

137. I've since found a couple

of threads that state the viral vid was edited.

Wonder what justice democrats stupid end game was with this? Did they not have a clue it would be exposed?

[R B Garr]

172. Looks like just ratfucking. Sickening display. Note that

her 2018 opponent DeLeon joined the criticism chorus, all over a bullshit edited video. That shows how invested they are in the disinformation campaigns. Cenk, Justice Democrats trying to stir things up (being polite here...)

This really needs to be investigated if it’s from another congress person’s office —ethics violations,

[Cha]

199. It should be investigated, R B!

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[oasis]

80. The kids are acting as if DIFi's their fairy godmother. Like she can

wave her magic wand, say "bibity bobity boo" and instantly make everything okay.

[Cha]

89. And, the Vid was edited, oasis..

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Wrote...
Wait, so it was Ocasio-Cortez’s campaign staff who made the doctored video of Feinstein — a video that doesn’t look nearly as bad when you watch the entire thing — to make her look bad, à la James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas?

John Aravosis
🇺🇸Verified account @aravosis
The way they edited the video, it looks like Feinstein walks out and yells at the kids and then leaves. That’s not what happened. It was a 15-20 minute visit that went pretty well. I watched the whole thing. This kind of editing reeks of James O’Keefe. Who did this?

Me.. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11855123

[oasis]

94. The source of any mischief should by publicly discredited. Bigtime.

DiFi has enough headaches to deal with.

Thank you, Cha for coming to hear aid.

[Cha]

111. Yes, I hope the Sunlight is shown on who Edited that Vid!

Here's another tweet on the Editing from, Me..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11855123

You're Welcome, oasis!

[UTUSN]

23. *IT*!

[Polybius]

30. IT?

It what?

[UTUSN]

34. Well, if you missed my agreeing with you, no need for me to respond further.

[Polybius]

39. Ok cool

I'm old, I didn't know *IT* means that you were agreeing. I'm too 80's and 90's I guess.

[Lotusflower70]

25. I mean she is right

I do see the point. I know that there is reason to be concerned but I also see the importance of effective and respectful communication.

[theophilus]

49. All those disrespectful children! How dare they attack the old lady? They did not vote

for gramma.....and they never will after that shitshow of a meeting. Gross post.

[Polybius]

54. They will never get the chance to anyway

It's extremely doubtful that she runs for reelection in 2024. She'll be 86 in June.

[still_one]

63. This is a disgusting setup, and I am sick and tired of some suppossed progressives who have been

trying to paint Senator Feinstein as some right winger.

It is the same bullshit and lies they did with Pelosi and others.

Feinstein was a liberal decades before most. She lead the national effort against AIDs nationwide,gun control, women's rights, civil rights, the environment, conservation, clean energy, etc. She is a liberal by any standard, and for those of us who were here when Moscone and Milk were assassinated, she was probably one of the few people who brought the city out of one of the worst periods of its time, and this happened all around the same time when the AIDs epidemic and Jones Town pushed the city to its brink.

I am really sick and tired of some who try to malign Feinstein's record, where I doubt they have any idea of what she has done.

They did the same thing with Pelosi, Hillary, and I see some trying to paint Harris in the same way.

I am f**king tired of this purist, all or nothing bullshit. That is right out of the Ralph Nader and Jill Stein playbook, and that helped get us where we are today

[crazycatlady]

233. See I think that's disrespecting the next generation

She's sure going to tell her parents, her 18+ friends, etc about this interaction. And that very well might spark her to register as soon as she comes of age.

Kids are constituents too (as are non citizens). Elected officials should listen to children (and perhaps teach them about the legislative process).

[R B Garr]

19. When you read the Twitter feeds, this was obviously a

set up by Justice Democrats. I’m sure Feinstein knew the kids were used as their pawns. What a shame to manipulate children like this. The Twitter feeds also have some good clips of Feinstein on global warming.

[Garrett78]

24. She still should have handled it much better than she did. Seriously, that was tough to watch.

[R B Garr]

29. They just wanted to confront her. It was meant to be rude to her.

She was okay under the cynical circumstances.

[womanofthehills]

36. So why is asking someone to vote for something you care about rude?

They are kids. They wanted her to change her mind. She could have thanked them for caring about the environment and she could have inspired them to keep being climate activists. A simple - my opinion is different but I'm so glad you kids are involved.

[R B Garr]

40. Feinstein knew someone sent them there, as she mentioned it.

It’s Justice Democrats, one of Bernie’s offshoot groups. They were attacking her in last year’s elections. The insinuation was that Feinstein doesn’t care about climate change, and the kids are being manipulated.

The older one asked for an internship and got it. This was just a petty hit job.

[Autumn]

43. Feinstein's staff invited Clarke and several other kids and activists upstairs for an impromptu

meeting after a rally.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/22/dianne-feinstein-viral-video-green-new-deal-kids/

[Cha]

92. The Video was edited..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Cha]

70. Look in the mirror before you accuse

anyone like that.

[radius777]

60. Exactly, an alt-left hit job on DiFi

they did everything but shout "neoliberal shill" - wish we had a multiple party system so these people would have their own party.

DiFi/Dems know that in order to work toward a Green future, it has to be a balance between gov't and corporate solutions. We don't live in a socialist 3rd world shithole where some dictator can force people/corps to do what it wants... busineses have rights, like it or not, and Green solutions will take time to implement.

[melman]

64. "socialist 3rd world shithole"

Lovely.

[radius777]

67. True though, probably one that answers to Putin. /nt

[Cha]

98. And, who the hell ever Edited the Vid..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[workinclasszero]

149. "socialist 3rd world shithole"

Wow.

That's something i would expect to hear on fox & friends or Hannity's hate radio show but its kinda shocking on Democratic Underground.

[radius777]

198. Dems are a mixed capitalist center-left party,

and always have been - not a socialist one, and certainly not a dictatorial one like in 3rd world countries. We can't force businesses what to do, no matter how much the alt-left (who is just as bad in attacking Dems as Hannity) cries "neolliberal".

Any Green strategy would be a partnership between gov't and corps that would take place over a generation to transition to a Green economy. That's how things work in a mixed economy where businesses and individuals have property rights.

DiFi is an iconic Democrat, a pioneer for women's rights, and she doesn't need to be taking shit from anyone - certainly not some alt-left shitstains w/an agenda of demonizing Democrats.

[LuvLoogie]

61. It seems that Justice Democrats mainly target mainstream Democrats, and from behind.

The ones I know criticized Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton more often and vehemently than any Republican.

A. They're attacking A Senator in the minority.
B. Diane isn't going to come at them full guns blazing, because she considers them allies.
C. Her reluctance to view them as opposition, makes that wing of the party seem stronger than it is.

By only attacking those on your side from behind, you bolster your purity by your willingness to criticize your allies.

It seems that "the left" will continue to mainly target the mainstream Democratic Party and it's institutions.

[radius777]

66. alt-left doing to Dems what alt-right did to GOP

both aggressive, anti-Western forces that don't respect the basic elements of liberal democracy, and which answer to Putin at the end of the day.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

22. I love Dianne Feinstein.

That group was exceedingly disrespectful to a Democratic lion of the Senate.

When is Sunrise going to harass Republicans?

Sheez!

[R B Garr]

32. Yes! Harrass Republicans instead. It's not right to lead

children down such a manipulative path.

[theophilus]

53. That's just silly. Harassment? You need to recross and go away. n/t

[Cha]

91. Oh really? Do tell.. you don't get to tell members

"to go away".

[womanofthehills]

35. Wow! No encouragement or praise for the kids caring about the environment

Just all about her.

[theophilus]

55. Reminded me a bit of a guy squatting in the WH. n/t

[Cha]

99. You're comparing DiFi to Trump? Shame on you.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[CrossingTheRubicon]

100. You mean adults using and minipulating children so the adults...

can attack a fine Democratic Senator?

This was shameful.

[jalan48]

37. Children across Europe have been protesting climate change for the last month, some skipping

school to take part in peaceful demonstrations. This is a movement that is gaining momentum. Here's an article from a protest in England last week and a statement by the mayor of Sheffield.

Magid Magid, Sheffield’s lord mayor, who banned Donald Trump from visiting the city last year, said there was no better time to march than now. He said: “It’s as simple as action or extinction … [These students] come across as the fearless advocates in the face of those who have stopped caring about [the climate crisis]. They are literally saving our bloody planet"



planet.”https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/15/children-climate-inaction-protests-uk

[WhiskeyGrinder]

45. It's possible to support everyone involved while acknowledging that no one was really at their

best throughout the whole thing.

[Cha]

105. No, DiFi wasn't "so horrible" .. some assholes Edited the Vid.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Codeine]

166. She was the victim of an editing hitjob

and you’re carrying water for the people who perpetrated it.

[Cha]

103. You deserve to see these two tweets, WhiskeyGrinder..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[SidDithers]

62. Dianne Feinstein was attacked with disinfo...

Link to tweet

Sid

[SidDithers]

65. link to the full video...

Link to tweet

Sid

[betsuni]

72. Thank you for posting.

I didn't even bother with the bullshit edited one.

[R B Garr]

104. Thank you! No excuse for this dishonesty.

Truly sickening hit job on elected Democrats.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

109. "make a copy for each person"

Thanks for posting a version I can watch!

Senator Feinstein doesn't treat them as idiots; she disagrees with the existing resolution and explains why.

I would be aggravated if she acted as if these children were incapable of understanding. She didn't and I'm not.

Thanks, Senator, for dealing with this seriously and not promising these young people a unicorn.

[Cha]

218. +1!

[ooky]

181. Thank you for the intelligent response

and for sharing the truth. Looks like she handled it perfectly. I especially like that she included the civics lesson for the group.

[still_one]

71. anybody can look at her record, she has always pro-environment. She isn't the "enemy".

[loyalsister]

68. The kids are right

There is no excuse to dismiss their perspective and the fact that it is radically different from her own. We need to be looking at climate change through their eyes. 12 yrs from now they are (hopefully) going to be finishing college and thinking about their future families while almost all of the most powerful members of congress will be dead or approaching the end of their lives.
Feinstein is been part of a crowd that has been kicking this can down the road, and climate change is here now. We needed to do something yesterday and the failure in leadership has brought us to a point that we need to make some radical changes ASAP. This is no time for incrementalism and legislation that has been shelved and on back burners for decades. Young people who are demanding government act on climate change with urgency have my full support.

[ehrnst]

207. You clearly aren't informed concerning her environmental record

Your anger is rather misdirected.

League of Conservation Voters Scorecard:

2017 Score Lifetime Score
100% 90

http://scorecard.lcv.org/moc/dianne-feinstein

Environment
Feinstein and Senator Alan Cranston worked for over 10 years to pass the California Desert Protection Act. The bill was signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1994. The bill protected 7,661,089 acres (31,003 km2) of California's desert lands as wilderness and national parks.[5] The Act doubled the size of the National Wilderness Preservation System in California, and was the largest wilderness bill in California's history.

Senators Feinstein and Barbara Boxer were the champions of the Northern California Coastal Wild Heritage Wilderness Act, which was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 17, 2006. The bill protected 275,830 acres (1,116 km2) of federal land as wilderness, and 21 miles (34 km) of stream as a wild and scenic river, including such popular areas as the King Range and Cache Creek.[6] Senators Feinstein and Boxer worked with Representative Mike Thompson, the sponsor of the bill in the House, in the 5-year effort to pass the legislation.

Feinstein, along with her colleague Boxer, voted in favor of subsidy payments to conventional commodity farm producers, at the cost of subsidies for conservation-oriented farming.[7] More recently, Feinstein has not taken a stand on the widely criticized subsidies in the 2007 U.S. Farm Bill.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Dianne_Feinstein#Environment

[loyalsister]

210. And yet

Not nearly enough progress has been made. If that were not the case, the urgency wouldn't be so great. Falling in line, and worshiping policy makers because of talking points, scorecards, and aspirations rather than actions and accomplishments is something I hope the up and coming generation will reject.

[ehrnst]

232. "Worshipping policy makers?"

Quite the strawman, you think?

With a bit of false dillema:

A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option. A false dilemma can arise intentionally, when a fallacy is used in an attempt to force a choice or outcome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

[blm]

75. You should delete this post and keep your post with the ENTIRE video.

This edited video is just wrong. The left doesn’t need an O’Keefe.

[GulfCoast66]

76. So we are in the fight of our lives. And a supposedly liberal group releases

A heavily edited video to demonize one of our most liberal Senators. In a trap moment they created.

Got it.

Makes me wonder who they see as their opponents.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

102. I see it the same way, brother.

[Amaryllis]

79. Boo. Dismisssive. Condescending. Patronizing. No empathy. Besides all that, very poor politics.

[still_one]

81. You want a FULL CONTEXT, instead of a complete distortion of what happened?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211854883#post5

[LibDemAlways]

84. She's 85 years old. I think she's

highly invested in the status quo and not interested in rocking any boats. A shame she treated those kids so disdainfully. She seems to have forgotten that they are concerned about a future she will never experience.

[leftofcool]

108. Try this

Link to tweet

[workinclasszero]

150. I agree

[Hekate]

85. Who edited this hit-job? John O'Keefe? And they used kids! Now THAT'S shameful!

[leftofcool]

106. Wasn't Okeefe

"Justice Dems"

[blm]

113. It appears O'Keefe has plants in Justice Dems and they're editing

videos O’Keefe style.

[Hekate]

114. I was being as sarcastic as possible because this really pisses me off. My Senator is...

...re-elected term after term by liberal, environmentally-conscious California. She is obviously doing something right on our behalf.

Yet here is a thread full of people demanding she retire right the eff now because of an edited video that is, the OP says, "all over FB." Well in my considered opinion, FB is not a good source for much of anything, as it is "all over trolls and bots" and that bright boy Zuck doesn't care as long as the money rolls in.

Oh yes, I will remember the name of "Justice Dems."

[sprinkleeninow]

117. In this tweeter thread was said the youngsters were used as

political shills.

I agree.

[Cha]

122. It's reported that "justice democrats" did it..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Devil Child]

107. Sen. Feinstein fumbled this response

Absolute cringe-worthy performance in my opinion.

That said, I do realize this was blatant attempt to set her up to look bad on camera. Too bad she embraced it.

[quickesst]

112. Heh....

Not me: Not me either:
Me:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211854883

[Cha]

124. Oh Bull.. "neo liberal neo liberal" Blah Blah Blah..

the damn vid was edited.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[CrossingTheRubicon]

134. What is up with this attack on Democrats?

Way out of line here, bub.

[betsuni]

138. Four "neoliberals"; FDR-New Deal; Democratic leadership is same as Reagan. LOL.

You forgot "status quo" and "corporatist."

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

116. Geeze

How about that beside manner eh? Terrible..........

[RandySF]

127. It was edited.

Link to tweet

Emily Nussbaum
?
Verified account

@emilynussbaum
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Emily Nussbaum Retweeted Chubi Nwagbara
This tweet is correct. I didn’t actually share the viral Feinstein video, but I did respond to it, and watching the entire thing, I have a different response. It’s a much more complicated, nuanced back-and-forth. Not perfect, but not worthy of online outrage.
Emily Nussbaum added,
Chubi Nwagbara

@chubi7n
Replying to @emilynussbaum
You have a large following which comes with large responsibility. I say this with respect, before you join the mob mentality, pls try to verify. The full video is here and honestly I feel duped by the edited video. You might too: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2101109139978731&id=263615334116809&notif_t=page_post_reaction&_rdr …
7:34 PM - 22 Feb 2019

[Grasswire2]

132. THE VIDEO WAS EDITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess we have to yell here to stop the momentum of a mistake in an OP.

[Hekate]

139. You have all been punked into hating a good Dem. What is wrong with all of you?

[betsuni]

141. Thou shalt not give Democrats the benefit of the doubt.

Thou shalt assume every rumor, negative headline, conspiracy theory and lie about Democrats is true. Thou shalt remain completely ignorant of the history of the Democratic Party except for the years between 1933-1945. Thou shall not, upon pain of excommunication, look upon the Democratic Party Platform.

One of the Ten Commandments of a certain religion.

[Hekate]

195. Spot on. I am really disgusted. nt

[Meowmee]

140. She did a good job

Imo. She was honest with them. It sounds like they needed a dose of reality and yes it looks like their parents are responsible for this ambush. The gnd emissions goals are not scientifically possible and the rest of what I read was very confused to say the least. I doubt it will pass in its current form, even if any r vote for it which we know they won’t. It needs a ton of work. I will read difi deal if possible. I dont know which version of this I watched but it’s not surprising to me that someone edited it or selected clips to slam her. I didn't have any problem with anything she said.

[underpants]

180. About to watch it. GND is a resolution not legislation.

The Green New Deal is 14 pages and can be read here
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sites/ocasio-cortez.house.gov/files/Resolution%20on%20a%20Green%20New%20Deal.pdf

[Meowmee]

231. I already read it

And it is awful, as I said above. I realize it is a rough draft etc for some future legislation I presume but that doesn’t excuse how awful and crazy it is. Now I want to read Difi’s ideas if I can.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

142. Yikes! Not a good look! DiFi needs to apologize to those kids for dismissing them like that.

How any politician can refuse to embrace the Green New Deal wholeheartedly is beyond me. Time is ticking!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[pecosbob]

144. I have not watched the edited video and probably will not

The full video is pretty bad in it's own right. I know the Senate is the Senate, but that comes off pretty bad IMO. If I lived in Cali, I'd probably look for new blood soon. Just my opinion.

[Squinch]

145. Thoughts on why you haven't taken down a ratfucking edited misinformation video after

it was proven to be a hit piece?

[UCmeNdc]

146. Another GOP edited video! Cut and spiced together to make a Democratic politician look bad!

[onenote]

155. Do you have evidence that it was the GOP that edited it?

Several posts suggest there is evidence it was the "justice democrats".

[Raine]

147. Badly ... nt

[Vinca]

152. She was a little snarky in the clip I saw, but kids need to be introduced to reality, too.

I have to say the group gives me hope for the future and it must scare the GOP to death.

[Loki Liesmith]

153. It was nice to see. I hope it happens more often.

Even for causes I favor, I’m tired of kids being used as props.

[samnsara]

157. she handled it perfectly. we are over thinking this and its being pushed by...

….those who want to divide us. do NOT share this or give it attention. WE ARE BEING PLAYED FOLKS!!!

[IADEMO2004]

163. Go home and ask your parents to move to Wyoming North and South Dakota and vote.

Flip half a dozen senate seats.

Western Iowa could use a demographic change too.

[nini]

176. She handled it just fine

Those who jump to conclusions and are too lazy to do a bit of research before trashing a senator with a good environmental record? Not so much.

I am so damned sick of people not considering the sources of these hit pieces, context etc.. The far left is the enemy right now to me Who needs the repukes making up lies when the far left will do their bidding for them?

People love jumping to conclusions then denying they were wrong when proven to be.

2020 is not looking promising with the stupid in this country.

[snowybirdie]

177. You do know, dont you

that this is a Hit Job on Sen Feinstein. Edited heavily to prove a point of view. Why are Duers getting snookered again from the Russians, Bots, and generally bad dudes who what to split us? Wake up folks. If suddenly a formerly beloved Democrat is being run down, you can bet it's russian or republican mischif.

[samnsara]

178. she handled it perfecty...

...however the group that instrumented this should be ashamed of themselves. Ive blocked them on Twitter.

[Joe941]

182. Handled that horribly!

[wasupaloopa]

183. First of all she is being pragmatic to those who

are idealists. If you see the unedited version DiFi is explaining why she will not vote for the green new deal.

I wonder how many people who are attacking her have read it and have taken time to weight what she is saying.

We have the same fight every day here. Pragmatists vs idealists.

I idealists are important because they present the new ideas. Pragmatists are important because they are the ones who get things done.

This is the same mechanism that was presented in the fight for marriage equality and for universal health care.

It will go on and on and we will continue to take sides.

[nini]

196. well said

I agree completely.

[underpants]

185. Her- not great. The whole thing was interrupting, not listening, and talking over each other

You aren't going to find much that pisses me off more than people clearly not listening and churning up their own mouth words while someone is talking and interrupting is the worst. People do it all the time and I hate it.

I get that this was orchestrated by the parents and part of that was editing but also clearly they knew they wanted to keep it as short as possible so it would be more easily consumed. At 2:19 in length they did that. The means by which they did it are horrible.

She's 85 and just got re-elected. Not that she should but she doesn't have to give many fucks anymore. Just saying.

[Hekate]

201. DiFi was set up and the video was edited. The kids were used. She has a good environmental record...

...or we wouldn't have kept re-electing her.

Just between you and me, I was kind of hoping she would give the nod to Adam Schiff or Eric Swallwell instead of running again, but instead we took back the House and they (especially Schiff) are doing an OUTSTANDING job there investigating Trump with they power they now have. So it's all good, afaiac.

[chia]

192. I watched the whole thing and I think she did a great job facing the latest agenda-video du jour.

She modeled professional behavior, she never lost her cool, and indeed offered one an internship, even as the video ends with her being called condescending. This is going to happen over and over on the way to 2020, and I wish I had hope the media wouldn't be blown off course every single time this happens in the meantime. Post-Trump we should all know by now what this kind of thing is meant to do. So many times social media does more harm than good.

[tymorial]

202. More democrat canibalism.

The republicans don't have to lift a finger.

[Irishxs]

204. Poor, poor, poor handling of these children!

These teachers did their job....Feinstein is not doing hers!!

[egduj]

205. Like shit.

[doompatrol39]

206. Look people need to respect that slow, pragmatic incrementalism has gotten us where we are today...

......oh wait.

Where we are today with regard to climate is up Shit's fucking Creek with little time to waste.

Never mind.

[RandySF]

230. Welcome to DU

[Gothmog]

215. From Senator Feinstein

Link to tweet

?s=20