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Vidal

(642 posts)
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:21 PM Feb 2019

Ari Melber did it again

I'm getting sick of watching the Beat with Ari Melber on MSNBC and him giving time to Trump suckers. Tonight he had Annemarie McAvoy on who was Rick Gates' defense attorney. She is a FRIEND of Roger Stone. And Ari let her tell the world why she thinks Andrew McCabe is lying about everything he said about Trump.

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Ari Melber did it again (Original Post) Vidal Feb 2019 OP
Boycott. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #1
You can't *boycott* something you aren't buying or paying for, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #4
Stop watching. Get friends to stop watching. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #5
I call it the Starbucks dilemma lame54 Feb 2019 #13
I stopped watching his show because of crap like that. Elwood P Dowd Feb 2019 #2
I saw that too. Joyce Vance said she found McCabe and his book OliverQ Feb 2019 #3
I stopped watching months ago. We should all stop watching. manor321 Feb 2019 #6
This NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #9
I stopped watching ALL broadcast and cable news* election night 2016 Baltimike Feb 2019 #39
Maybe it is because it is a news show? SCantiGOP Feb 2019 #7
+1 ariadne0614 Feb 2019 #12
Didn't present both sides Vidal Feb 2019 #18
I didn't mean to attack you, Vidal SCantiGOP Feb 2019 #26
Thanks elleng Feb 2019 #38
I, for one, want ALL content on my teevee, phone and radio to present sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #56
Yesterday he had a really big ass on. BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #8
Matt Schlapp? Me. Feb 2019 #55
That's the guy! BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #57
I don't want a lefty Fox News! I'm not afraid of hearing righties! They expose THEMSELVES.... tableturner Feb 2019 #10
I agree. Thanks for the post. IllinoisBirdWatcher Feb 2019 #14
I agree, but Melber seems to like interviewing the most extreme and ridiculous Trumpers, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #17
No disclosure, no rebuttal Vidal Feb 2019 #20
But ONLY if there is a rebuttal Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #41
Has he changed? I used to really like him. Has pressure been put on him to be pro-Trump? bobbieinok Feb 2019 #11
I don't think he's gone pro-Trump as much as he wants to seem edgy and controversial. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #21
yes Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #30
It's news! The last thing I want is cnn to become the FOX of the left. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #15
OK, but . . . Vidal Feb 2019 #22
She kept deflecting, saying that McCabe is in hot water and lied about everything. Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #37
It is a news commentary program we can handle both sides of an issue doc03 Feb 2019 #16
No Both Sides tonight Vidal Feb 2019 #23
So MSNBC should do like Faux and have 5 Democrats talking over doc03 Feb 2019 #33
I'm catching this thread late MontanaMama Feb 2019 #44
I thought he was fairly tough on her, making her state her position clearly, no weasel words. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2019 #19
No nailing by Ari Vidal Feb 2019 #24
I watched the show, and it was grand. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #25
Tired of it too Bev54 Feb 2019 #27
It is always important to know who the enemy is and what they are thinking democratisphere Feb 2019 #28
Last night, Ari did a good job of crossing that trump idiot Gothmog Feb 2019 #32
You are right. Rebl2 Feb 2019 #45
I believe Ari was doing that. democratisphere Feb 2019 #48
Let him know. Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #29
As a lawyer, I really like Ari and The Beat Gothmog Feb 2019 #31
If I had a show I would have adversaries on all the time. I'm sure there are other outlets or shows UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #34
Not sure how it works....does Ari pick his own guests and craft his entire program? Mr. Ected Feb 2019 #35
If I wanted to watch a trump stooge spout crap as fact agingdem Feb 2019 #36
I'm watching McCabe on Chris Hayes right now... B Stieg Feb 2019 #40
Daytime msnbc sucks, only gets betters after 5 pm pst kimbutgar Feb 2019 #42
I refuse to watch Ari. Lonestarblue Feb 2019 #43
He is a clueless fuckhead... Woodycall Feb 2019 #46
He's like the Chris Cuomo of MSNBC now lilactime Feb 2019 #47
I like Ari, he 'reps' Gen-X/90's radius777 Feb 2019 #49
Yeah, he says it's to be 'fair'. Bullshit. triron Feb 2019 #50
Did you believe her? If not, don't you think other people will know she's lying too? Hoyt Feb 2019 #51
Ari needs to be a obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2019 #52
I often watch him radical noodle Feb 2019 #53
And He Never Once Asked Her To Cite A Lie Me. Feb 2019 #54
Ari not happy Quemado Feb 2019 #58
Ari had a great interview of McCabe tonight Gothmog Feb 2019 #59

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,861 posts)
4. You can't *boycott* something you aren't buying or paying for,
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:26 PM
Feb 2019

but you don't have to watch his show. He does have an annoying habit of interviewing the most biased and disreputable Trump apologists he can find, as well as looking like a clueless dork who tries unsuccessfully to look cool by interviewing rappers.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
2. I stopped watching his show because of crap like that.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:25 PM
Feb 2019

You might want to do the same. Also, no longer watch Cuomo, Wolf, or Chuck Todd.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
3. I saw that too. Joyce Vance said she found McCabe and his book
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:26 PM
Feb 2019

very compelling.

I didn't know McAvoy was close to Stone.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
6. I stopped watching months ago. We should all stop watching.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:30 PM
Feb 2019

He will keep on bringing on Trumpsters unless his ratings go down.

Baltimike

(4,148 posts)
39. I stopped watching ALL broadcast and cable news* election night 2016
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:14 PM
Feb 2019

and I am more accurate for doing it

*Sometimes I watch Rachel Maddow. Sometimes.

But nothing else. I *promise* that you will be able to identify ratfucking coming as a result.

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
7. Maybe it is because it is a news show?
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:30 PM
Feb 2019

Which typically presents both sides of a story or issue so the viewer can make informed decisions.
His show is not a Trump tweet or a DU thread; why are so many people here opposed to journalism?

on edit: Of course anyone is free to not watch a show if they believe it is inherently unfair or if they simply don't like it. But I am growing increasingly concerned about the number of people on this forum who want all content on their TV, especially anything on MSNBC, to present only the liberal/Democratic point of view.

ariadne0614

(1,736 posts)
12. +1
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:48 PM
Feb 2019

I give Ari the benefit of the doubt. It makes me uncomfortable too, but I value his willingness to strive for comprehensive coverage. Watching Faux Noise is more than I can stomach, so this is the best I can do. Also, I kind of admire Ari’s sly ability to maintain his equipoise while rightwing creepy crawlers ooze their evil slime. They never come off well. It isn’t his job to protect me from exposure to the monster.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
18. Didn't present both sides
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:58 PM
Feb 2019

In my opinion Ari should have disclosed the woman was a friend of Roger Stone’s. Also, he should have had someone there to rebut her argument, which he did not. He just let her express her opinions about McCabe, and he didn’t counter them in any way.

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
26. I didn't mean to attack you, Vidal
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:04 PM
Feb 2019

My comments were more general about a trend here where people say they won’t watch any show that has RW pundits. If this episode was unbalanced, as you point out, I can understand your concern.

sprinkleeninow

(20,263 posts)
56. I, for one, want ALL content on my teevee, phone and radio to present
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:40 AM
Feb 2019

The Liberal and Democratic POV, The Whole Liberal and Democratic POV, and nothing but The Liberal and Democratic POV, so help me Dog.

That's the ticket. 🤗


BigmanPigman

(51,630 posts)
8. Yesterday he had a really big ass on.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:35 PM
Feb 2019

I had to stop cooking and google the guy. Of course he was from some "Conservative America" type group. I changed the channel and waited a long time until I was sure he was gone for good. My remote control gets quite the workout during the past two years. The "mute" button is almost worn out due to Kellyanne and Sarah Fuckubee alone.

BigmanPigman

(51,630 posts)
57. That's the guy!
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 01:45 AM
Feb 2019

I knew his face from CNN but I guess I am not familiar with the details of his group's work and his wife since I try to avoid "that type" of BS propaganda. I know I have turned him off of CNN in the past.

tableturner

(1,684 posts)
10. I don't want a lefty Fox News! I'm not afraid of hearing righties! They expose THEMSELVES....
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:40 PM
Feb 2019

.....as liars and buffoons when they speak. The more exposure they get, the better it is for our side.

Irrespective of all of that, guests of that type do add needed perspective. Again.....I don't want a lefty Fox!

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
14. I agree. Thanks for the post.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:51 PM
Feb 2019

I don't like to listen to them. My blood pressure goes up. My hand reaches for something to throw at the TV.

"The more exposure they get, the better it is for our side." Because their statements lack rationale and logic and people need to know that.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,861 posts)
17. I agree, but Melber seems to like interviewing the most extreme and ridiculous Trumpers,
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:56 PM
Feb 2019

like Jerome Corsi and Sam Nunberg and other such crackpots, and I don't know why. If the purpose is to make them look ridiculous he isn't doing a very good job of it. I don't want a liberal Fox either, but maybe they at least could invite a few GOP guests who aren't complete loons (yes, I know the majority are loons) so maybe they could at least have a somewhat rational discussion.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
20. No disclosure, no rebuttal
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:58 PM
Feb 2019

In my opinion Ari should have disclosed the woman was a friend of Roger Stone’s. Also, he should have had someone there to rebut her argument, which he did not. He just let her express her opinions about McCabe, and he didn’t counter them in any way.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
41. But ONLY if there is a rebuttal
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:39 PM
Feb 2019

if they get to spit out their nonsense and hate with no light shining on the lies then FUCK THAT. That's what Faux Snooze is for.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
11. Has he changed? I used to really like him. Has pressure been put on him to be pro-Trump?
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:46 PM
Feb 2019

What do you all think?

IMHO we're going to see more and more pressure to slant reporting to push GOP and attack all dems.

The mid-terms were a surprise. More and better voter suppression. More snide attacks on dems, esp women.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,861 posts)
21. I don't think he's gone pro-Trump as much as he wants to seem edgy and controversial.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:59 PM
Feb 2019

So he gets crackpot guests like Jerome Corsi and talks like a rapper wannabe. It's kind of tiresome, IMO.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
15. It's news! The last thing I want is cnn to become the FOX of the left.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:51 PM
Feb 2019

I want news that has all perspectives. And for blatant lies to be challenged which CNN and NPR, at least in my opinion have been doing a better job at.

Apparently even a few of the Fox daytime guys are doing some of it. But I don’t watch FOX because they show only has one perspective. If FOX ever starts being about the truth rather than Trump spin I would watch them as well.

When CNN, NPR and MSNBC start delving into the inherent challenges of Medicare for all, which they are obligated to do, all hell will break out on DU.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
22. OK, but . . .
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:59 PM
Feb 2019

In my opinion Ari should have disclosed the woman was a friend of Roger Stone’s. Also, he should have had someone there to rebut her argument, which he did not. He just let her express her opinions about McCabe, and he didn’t counter them in any way.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
37. She kept deflecting, saying that McCabe is in hot water and lied about everything.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:43 PM
Feb 2019

Ari didn't push back and clarify exactly what McCabe did.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
16. It is a news commentary program we can handle both sides of an issue
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:52 PM
Feb 2019

we don't need a Democratic Faux News network.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
23. No Both Sides tonight
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:59 PM
Feb 2019

In my opinion Ari should have disclosed the woman was a friend of Roger Stone’s. Also, he should have had someone there to rebut her argument, which he did not. He just let her express her opinions about McCabe, and he didn’t counter them in any way.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
44. I'm catching this thread late
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:56 PM
Feb 2019

but I agree...Ari has hosted a shit shoe the last two days. He is on probation in my book. Done with both sides do it. Done with giving RWNJ’s a platform. Ari was owned by Matt Schlapp yesterday. It was embarrassing.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
19. I thought he was fairly tough on her, making her state her position clearly, no weasel words.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:58 PM
Feb 2019

Like a prosecutor he likes nailing people down on stuff and she didn't look comfortable with the whole thing.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
24. No nailing by Ari
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:00 PM
Feb 2019

In my opinion Ari should have disclosed the woman was a friend of Roger Stone’s. Also, he should have had someone there to rebut her argument, which he did not. He just let her express her opinions about McCabe, and he didn’t counter them in any way.

Bev54

(10,072 posts)
27. Tired of it too
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:07 PM
Feb 2019

I used to like Ari except for on Fridays but I have had it with him and Chris Matthews bring on the Trumpsters quoting their talking points, they are trying to be CNN when CNN ratings are lower so why would you imitate them. I quit watching CNN for that very reason so I have stopped watching Ari and Chris Matthews as well until they get their brains back.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
28. It is always important to know who the enemy is and what they are thinking
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:10 PM
Feb 2019

and saying. Better get used to seeing the opposition because there will be more of it as we get closer to the election.

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
32. Last night, Ari did a good job of crossing that trump idiot
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:27 PM
Feb 2019

Cross examination is an art and Ari got some great admissions



Ari set up Jill Wine Banks well with his cross


I will watch Ari tonight when I get home but I doubt that I will agree with the attacks set forth above.

Rebl2

(13,557 posts)
45. You are right.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 10:09 PM
Feb 2019

The thing is I want the host to stand up to them and point out all the lies or questionable things they are stating.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
29. Let him know.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:16 PM
Feb 2019

He has a FB presence

He has twitter presence.

Surely he also has email.

Let him know!

Light up his twitter.

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
31. As a lawyer, I really like Ari and The Beat
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:21 PM
Feb 2019

I dvr ths show every day and watch it when I get home after I watch Rachel. I saw some clips on twitter and I agree with Ari's analysis on whether a POTUS can be indicted





It is not easy getting good coverage of legal issues and Ari does a good job.
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
34. If I had a show I would have adversaries on all the time. I'm sure there are other outlets or shows
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:32 PM
Feb 2019

to watch if you just want to hear what you want to hear.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
35. Not sure how it works....does Ari pick his own guests and craft his entire program?
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:34 PM
Feb 2019

Or are there limitations to his creative and political license?

I respect his ability to dissect legal entanglements. I loathe his schoolboy fascination with rappers juxtaposed to a consequential discussions.

It seems that we were fed an early diet of dialed-in Ari; lately, it feels like he's been neutered. Sad.

agingdem

(7,859 posts)
36. If I wanted to watch a trump stooge spout crap as fact
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:34 PM
Feb 2019

I'd tune into Fox...not going to happen ever

kimbutgar

(21,195 posts)
42. Daytime msnbc sucks, only gets betters after 5 pm pst
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:44 PM
Feb 2019

That said only watch msnbc occassionallyafter the 2016 I stopped watching msmbc allthe the time feeling they gave too much press to the orange maggot. Watch occasionally now.

Lonestarblue

(10,080 posts)
43. I refuse to watch Ari.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:53 PM
Feb 2019

His program and guests are just too annoying. Likewise, Chuck Todd has far too many people on who are all too willing to paint Democrats as this vast far-out crowd of left-wing nuts who want no one to work for a living and the government to give them everything.

And when Noah Rothman is on Morning Joe, I usually mute or turn off completely. He is generally clueless white and thinks white privilege is a figment of everyone’s imagination. What I don’t understand is why MSNBC, a cable outlet with liberals as 80% or more as its viewers chooses the people they do to portray the Republican side. I’m willing to listen to rational Republicans, who granted are a scarce species these days, but I hope never to see the likes of Hugh Hewitt on MSNBC. Who the hell do they think garners them all those viewer ratings? It isn’t Trump’s Republican deplorables who have their Stepford eyeballs glued to Fox to get their daily dose of state propaganda.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
49. I like Ari, he 'reps' Gen-X/90's
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:20 PM
Feb 2019

culture well, with the old school hip-hop references.

Ari's style is about trying to juxtapose disparate elements of culture (like with the "fall back" segment he does), to see how it all aligns, ie a postmodernist approach that defines Gen-X and the 80's and 90's era.

I think this is what he's trying to do with bringing on Trumpers, to get that contrast.

Don't care to hear them, but Ari often goes at them hard, while being fair.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
51. Did you believe her? If not, don't you think other people will know she's lying too?
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:23 AM
Feb 2019

Some people won’t care about the truth, but most folks will know she’s lying. I’m fine giving these liars exposure. Most people know the truth.

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
53. I often watch him
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:26 AM
Feb 2019

He is absolutely anti-trump. Sometimes I think he interviews these folks so he can trip them up. He's an attorney so he often does a great job of interrogating (rather than interviewing). One night he got Corsi (I believe) to admit he was "telling the truth about a lie." I don't care for the shows that have that bunch on, but I've seen him use those shows against them later.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
54. And He Never Once Asked Her To Cite A Lie
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:32 AM
Feb 2019

also, I'm pretty tired of him interrupting people just as they're saying something I'd like to hear. And his jokes are so lame, I guess he never heard that if you have to explain it...

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