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Marco Rubio: "It's a bad idea."
Republicans seem very caught off guard by this.
Link to tweet
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Not even his entire base supports it because they know it sets a precedent that future Democratic presidents can use for global warming, gun control, etc.
demmiblue
(36,873 posts)What a clusterfuck.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)When has that stopped anything?
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)In their 5-4 approval, that the precedent ONLY applies to made up crises, not to anything verifiable, factual, or evidence based.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)If I was a betting man, I would lay odds they will toe the line and allow Trump to destroy the Constitution before they stand up to him. Gump Chin McConnell will lead the way and they will follow like a pack of sheep. I sure hope that I am wrong, but I really don't know how many Democrats will put up a good fight either. If this is allowed to stand then the Republicans' dream of an Authoritarian Presidency is within their grasp. Kiss the democratic democracy that the forefathers boldly created goodbye. Will the Supreme Court uphold the Constitution or will it be another ruling like their appointment of Bush to the Presidency? Will the Democrats put the tail between the legs and slid down deeply into their seats to avoid taking a forceful stand. We will see.
NBachers
(17,130 posts)Nitram
(22,843 posts)authority or power. He has lost the support of the military, the intelligence services, and many in his own party. He is on his way out.
ripcord
(5,466 posts)33 U.S. Code § 2293, says: "Reprogramming during national emergencies," permits the president to "apply the resources of the Department of the Armys civil works program, including funds, personnel, and equipment, to construct or assist in the construction, operation, maintenance, and repair of authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense."
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)when blacks were being forcibly kept from attending school and voting, were being beaten, some were being murdered. A national emergency.
I don't know if JFK used that to send the Nat'l Guard down there, or if he had that authority anyway. But that might be an instance of national emergency...when our citizens are in the midst of violence directed at them. That's not the case with the border, where illegal immigration is at its lowest since 1971, and the drugs come in mainly through the ports of entry...not over the border.
ripcord
(5,466 posts)The wall has already been approved but not funded and really all Trump has to do is convince the court that 350,000 people crossing the border in violation of the law each year is excessive. It is obvious Trump is using this as a political tool but he might be able to get away with it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Then you have to show some emergency danger to the citizens.
They will argue that, of course. But they have to prove it. Courts rely on facts and proof. The other side will show the lack of emergency last year, and the year before, and the year before...that the situation did not harm the country to the extent that it is suddenly now a national emergency. And the opposition may have proof of fewer numbers crossing the border illegally.
A barrier is in the funding bill just passed..barrier or fencing. They would also have to prove that "barrier" or "fence" means "wall," like Trump means it, which is a 30 foot tall concrete structure.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)We don't just have people coming in illegally, we also have illegal immigrants leaving for various reasons. And then we deport many.
I doubt the SCt would find that 150,000 coming in during the past year constitutes a national emergency.
I doubt 350k came in over the border illegally in the first place, frankly. Trumpers (uneducated and uninformed) don't realize that asylum seekers come in through the ports of entry. They are here, they are brown, and they don't speak English, so to Trumpers they must be illegal. But they aren't.
Most illegal immigrants here are Visa and Green Card holders who have overstayed. They didn't come in over the southern border, and came in legally.
Volaris
(10,273 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,005 posts)building a wall cannot be performed in specific areas.
Paladin
(28,267 posts)jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)ironic since Johnson hails from my state....this is Scott Walker's playbook...
demmiblue
(36,873 posts)blaze
(6,367 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Just substitute Walker for Trump and, say, Robin Vos or Fitzgerald for McTurtle and this whole scene could be going down in Madison. Well, could have been before last January.
Really reminds me of the whole 2010/ Act 10 vibe. Has the same kind of eerie feel to it. Like the place we knew just doesn't exist anymore. Dang, I need a beer and a brat, STAT!
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)He probably peed himself on his way back to his mommy's basement.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)It was intense. I still don't know what the best course of action would have been. However, I think the recall (which I supported and signed) backfired on us. Running Barrett (a good man and personal friend of my rabbi) again just killed us. Every time I hear someone say "Let's run Hillary again" I think of that. I love both Tom Barrett and Hillary Clinton but we needed someone new then, as we do now.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)An unusually vile pile of human garbage.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)AdamGG
(1,293 posts)DC police, Secret Service? What right do they have to deny journalists access to Senators?
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)They are the secret service for the legislative branch
bdamomma
(63,913 posts)the reporters and journalists, this is very Putinesque.
triron
(22,008 posts)sheshe2
(83,833 posts)the reporters and journalists, this is very Putinesque.
Putin is our Commander in Chief. The Repukes Elected/Selected him.
world wide wally
(21,749 posts)Civil war on the horizon?
triron
(22,008 posts)We are sheeple. Maybe we will wake up.
bdamomma
(63,913 posts)in real time, now is the time to mobilize. Or will they keep taking?? What's next Social Security???? Medicare, no health care. Poison the air and water.
world wide wally
(21,749 posts)bdamomma
(63,913 posts)awake here on this site, that 37% to 40% of the population are totally ignorant.
Just my opinion.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,750 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,713 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)The Trump Repukes will use the imperial presidency to steal our rights. Just an incredible day in the history of this Country.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)woodsprite
(11,917 posts)they got thru to the heart. Putin must be ecstatic.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,108 posts)SMH
riversedge
(70,260 posts)Initech
(100,090 posts)And the crooks in charge are getting away with it!
jmbar2
(4,902 posts)Likely the companies will be linked to Trump or the Russians. All hands on deck! Start your research.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Breaking 1st Amendment access?
orangecrush
(19,586 posts)To stop this bullshit from happening again?
raccoon
(31,112 posts)demmiblue
(36,873 posts)I thought it would be easier to read than posting each of his tweets.
I should have made it clear that it was a tweet thread. My bad!
lark
(23,134 posts)Or does he just hate America and our system so much he's causing all this damage from his own shriveled, demented, drugged out pretense of a tiny little orange brain.