Good grief Theresa May not

[malaise]

Another massive defeat in the House of Commons
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/14/theresa-may-defeated-on-brexit-again-as-erg-tories-abstain

Theresa May has suffered an embarrassing defeat at the hands of hardline Brexit supporters who refused to support her approach to leaving the European Union.

A group of Eurosceptics led by Jacob Rees-Mogg abstained on a government motion because they were unhappy that it appeared to rule out a no-deal Brexit.

May was not present for the House of Commons defeat, by 303 votes to 258, in which she again lost control of her party in the crucial final weeks before Britain is due to leave the EU on 29 March.

It is likely to cause fresh doubt in Brussels that May has the power to win parliament’s support for an amended EU withdrawal agreement.

[guillaumeb]

1. May won the most recent vote of no confidence.

Right wing Britons, like right wing US voters and politicians, are reflexively against everything but for nothing.

And nothing is what they have accomplished, until an unregulated Brexit costs the country heavily.

[BeyondGeography]

2. At this point I'm rooting for a hard Brexit

Run with it, Rees-Moggers.

[VMA131Marine]

3. Because you are in favour of months and probably years of chaos and economic decline

in Britain until they get new trade agreements in place (and the EU, the UK's biggest trading partner, is going to be very much less inclined to deal with the UK in the event of no deal)

Because you are in favour of a hard border between NI and the Republic of Ireland that will nullify the Good Friday Agreement and likely lead to a resurgence of violence.

Because you want to see people die due to lack of medical supplies and health care staff, a large fraction of whom are nationals of other EU countries.

Because you are in favour of food shortages and rationing.

A no-deal Brexit will benefit very few in Britain, but one of them happens to be Jacob Rees-Mogg. For most people, it will be a disaster.

[BeyondGeography]

6. I'm in favor of accountability

People should have contemplated all that beforehand, right?

Yes, let the entitled aristocrats behind Brexit show us their stuff. They are intellectually and morally lazy people and they will fail miserably. Maybe then England can say goodbye to them as a force in public life once and forever. That day is long overdue.

[hlthe2b]

7. I usually find your posts noncontroversial, BG, but geebus. Will you please address the chaos

and suffering that will surely come with your preferred outcome? So, because a lot of people were poorly informed or bamboozled by concerted forces and propaganda, you wish for them to experience the very worse that can happen?

[BeyondGeography]

9. The future of the EU is more important

England cannot claim special circumstances without the whole thing falling apart. I’m sorry. They need to get over themselves and see that their future is with a strong and united Europe. But five weeks out it’s too late for that. So let them learn the hard way and come back to reality.

[malaise]

4. Britain needs the EU big time

or things will get even worse. The Neo-liberals led by Thatcher have destroyed the country

[BeyondGeography]

8. They certainly need the EU more than it needs England

And cutting a generous deal would weaken the whole EU endeavor, maybe even fatally. So the leverage is on balance firmly with the EU and its 27 other member states. England has screwed itself.

[volstork]

13. So is putin.

n/t

[BeyondGeography]

14. The EU will be stronger than ever

Not much of a win for Vlad.

[volstork]

15. How do you figure?

N/t

[BeyondGeography]

16. For one thing the high cost of leaving is becoming increasingly clear

This data is from last fall but I doubt it has moved:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20181017IPR16308/eurobarometer-public-opinion-survey-shows-that-eu-is-more-appreciated-than-ever

If anything those numbers have probably gotten stronger. As you can see from this round-up it’s pretty easy to identify newfound appreciation for the EU around the continent:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/12/un-big-mess-how-rest-of-europe-views-brexit

[pwb]

5. The U K got played by Putin on Brexit like he played us on Trump.

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[shanti]

12. Don't forget France

they were affected too.

[Recursion]

10. Labour helped by abstaining too, because the SNP was for it

My God this is a shit-show.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. No, on this vote, Labour and the SNP were most of the 'no's

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47245992

The vote where there was a difference between the 2 was on an SNP amendment for a delay in leaving:

An SNP amendment, backed by the Liberal Democrats and calling for Britain's departure from the EU on 29 March to be delayed by three months, was defeated by 93 votes to 315 after most Labour MPs abstained.

[Recursion]

19. Oops! Thanks. I was thinking of the Article 50 extension bill (nt)

[ZeroSomeBrains]

11. My question is when will the Torries call for no Confidence

This is getting precariously close to a no deal Brexit and just because you think Corbyn will win doesn't mean you should put your people through immense pain over it. Join labour and the lib dems to end this current government and then ask for the EU to extend the deadline so that the Brits can maybe stay in the EU if they vote for parties advocating for that. This never-ending parade of rejected proposals is getting old.

[Recursion]

20. They never will as long as Corbyn leads Labour

Both the Conservatives and the DUP will see the country burn before they hand over the keys to him.

[panader0]

17. I know that I am a very foolish idealist, but someday none of this will matter.

Borders--"Everything on that side of the river is bad, everything on this side
is good".
Race--"Everyone knows that light colored skin is superior."
Religion--"Our Gods hate each other."
Gay rights--"Some kinds of love are bad."

Someday it won't be just a European Union, but a World Union.
All one. One song.