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This is why they are lying. No other reason. (Original Post) triron Feb 2019 OP
And Putin deals with informants differently than most in our country. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #1
+1 +1000 crazytown Feb 2019 #13
Right? SammyWinstonJack Feb 2019 #25
Yep. And nobody is more acutely aware of that than Paul Manafort. calimary Feb 2019 #24
With that picture of trump ... CatMor Feb 2019 #2
Yep, same thoughts here. They just lie far too much. I think it's far bigger than we or at least RKP5637 Feb 2019 #3
I once thought that the idea of a coup was perhaps far fetched. No longer. triron Feb 2019 #4
Yep, I had thought it was an overreaction way back, but now it's pretty clear this is major. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2019 #6
Not that I am any smarter than anyone else, far, far from it... pangaia Feb 2019 #14
Ditto, I said it was a silent coup d'etat on election night in 2016. c-rational Feb 2019 #22
You were very prescient. triron Feb 2019 #32
Ditto! n/t luvallpeeps Feb 2019 #36
There ws another coup when McConnell refused Merrick Garland a hearing OMGWTF Feb 2019 #29
if you think back to Watergate, subana Feb 2019 #39
Spot on, subana... spot on!!!! Talitha Feb 2019 #41
thanks, it's what republicans do! subana Feb 2019 #43
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2019 #46
Onviously ... to get away with doing something wrong world wide wally Feb 2019 #5
This is true but it has a further benefit genxlib Feb 2019 #7
Among many things you had Cohen going to Prague in the late summer of 2016 to meet w/Russian ... Botany Feb 2019 #8
Yup. n/t kag Feb 2019 #9
There's more... Leith Feb 2019 #10
true!! subana Feb 2019 #40
The Republican Party has become an organized crime spree. Augiedog Feb 2019 #11
"STILL THEY PERSISTED" Nothing is stopping them and I'm not sure anything WILL stop them. BamaRefugee Feb 2019 #12
"every day, more and more judges and other officials of heinous character are filling more and more pangaia Feb 2019 #15
And this is the worst, most dangerous part ... RKP5637 Feb 2019 #47
Also polonium cp Feb 2019 #16
Yup shanti Feb 2019 #23
Could be . . . Roadside Attraction Feb 2019 #17
Maybe one other reason.. notKeith Feb 2019 #18
+1 DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #20
Welcome to DU, notKeith! calimary Feb 2019 #28
It's a plain as the noses on our faces DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #19
The most troubling thing about Helsinki was that shit-ass grin of Putins' as they saljr1 Feb 2019 #21
Welcome to DU, saljr1! calimary Feb 2019 #27
MAN OH MAN is that ever a study in body language! calimary Feb 2019 #26
Whenever Traitor Tot shakes Putin's hand, his hand is always palm side up and Putin is on top. OMGWTF Feb 2019 #31
I spent the morning at the Mob Museum in Las Vegas OMGWTF Feb 2019 #30
Hopefully we'll all get to see the results of the Mueller investigation. Talitha Feb 2019 #42
The KGOP republican wing will open as soon as Achilleaze Feb 2019 #48
Pretty Solid Theory WiffenPoof Feb 2019 #33
They are more worried about the consequences of snitching that Putin gave the orders than they are Pachamama Feb 2019 #34
McConnell is in that photo too Blue Owl Feb 2019 #35
knr Baltimike Feb 2019 #37
oh yes! subana Feb 2019 #38
K&R UCmeNdc Feb 2019 #44
Just look at how stupid trump looks in that picture! mwb970 Feb 2019 #45

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
2. With that picture of trump ...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:36 PM
Feb 2019

it looks like there is nothing behind his eyes but empty space. Vlad looks like the cat who ate the canary.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. Yep, same thoughts here. They just lie far too much. I think it's far bigger than we or at least
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:37 PM
Feb 2019

I had thought. The tRump cult is definitely a coup IMO.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
6. Yep, I had thought it was an overreaction way back, but now it's pretty clear this is major. n/t
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:43 PM
Feb 2019

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
14. Not that I am any smarter than anyone else, far, far from it...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:37 PM
Feb 2019

but I felt coup d'etat in Nov 2016.... earlier, even.....

subana

(586 posts)
39. if you think back to Watergate,
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:18 AM
Feb 2019

during Watergate, in the beginning many people thought something fishy was going on & republicans were involved but we had no idea that so many were a part of it!! Eventually we realized that it not only involved republicans but it also included the president, his administration, the committee to re-elect Nixon & the entire dept of justice!!! And it was done so that Nixon could win an election that he was already supposed to win anyway!!!

It's almost always much bigger than people can imagine.

Talitha

(6,608 posts)
41. Spot on, subana... spot on!!!!
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:33 AM
Feb 2019

Fiddling with elections has been going on longer than we care to imagine.

subana

(586 posts)
43. thanks, it's what republicans do!
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 05:20 AM
Feb 2019

I find it completely ridiculous that, instead of choosing policy positions that voters want, they seem to prefer lying, cheating & stealing elections!

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
7. This is true but it has a further benefit
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:43 PM
Feb 2019

It allows their co-conspirators in the media and Congress to provide cover for them by repeating the lies and using terms like "Process Crimes" and "Perjury Trap", etc.

Botany

(70,539 posts)
8. Among many things you had Cohen going to Prague in the late summer of 2016 to meet w/Russian ...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:49 PM
Feb 2019

... Agents and to pay $50,000 to some hackers for their work in the upcoming elections according
to the Steele Dossier and now we have solid reports that Cohen's cell phone was active in that area
and that he had been given $50,000 from some Trump fund prior to his alleged trip to the Czech
Republic.

The size and scope of what happened, all the different players, and the # of crimes is so big it
will be almost impossible to get your head around all of it.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
10. There's more...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:25 PM
Feb 2019

if any of them so much as hint as to what's going on, they know that they or loved ones are within reach of Russian operatives and could be poisoned. They know the names of Sergei and Yulia Skripal.

subana

(586 posts)
40. true!!
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:23 AM
Feb 2019

if they don't try to help, Putin may try to kill them. He's killed people for much less before!!

BamaRefugee

(3,484 posts)
12. "STILL THEY PERSISTED" Nothing is stopping them and I'm not sure anything WILL stop them.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:35 PM
Feb 2019

Everybody high fiving each other over Nancy's clap or AOC's smackdowns or Ted Liu's tweets are just whistling past the graveyard of Democracy.
Snark can't bring down this kleptocracy, and every day, more and more judges and other officials of heinous character are filling more and more offices, to do the bidding of tRump and by extension Putin. It will take decades of Democratic rule to erase this stuff.

I pray that it can be done.


There are no atheists in the foxholes of Democracy

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
15. "every day, more and more judges and other officials of heinous character are filling more and more
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:39 PM
Feb 2019

+10000000000000000000

or rather
-1000000000000000000

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
47. And this is the worst, most dangerous part ...
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:03 AM
Feb 2019

"every day, more and more judges and other officials of heinous character are filling more and more offices, to do the bidding of tRump and by extension Putin"

 
17. Could be . . .
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:54 PM
Feb 2019

. . . they know if they rat out the Russians, Putin has ways of making your life very difficult . . . or even come to an end.

notKeith

(138 posts)
18. Maybe one other reason..
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:57 PM
Feb 2019

We see what Putin's gang does to those who "get in their way" - you know, accidents, like falling out of windows, getting poisoned, etc.. I suspect Manafort (at least) is far more fearful of Russian mobsters than he is of prison.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
20. +1
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:06 PM
Feb 2019

manafort has no safe harbor from pootin. Not in prison. Not in public. Not anywhere.

And that is somehow perfect justice.

Now, all we have to do is take care of pootin the way he likes to take care of his detractors.

I wonder what that abject coward trump would do if he saw his master and lord on a slab? LOL

Or hung like Saddam. On video. On the internet.

Knowing he's next.

calimary

(81,383 posts)
28. Welcome to DU, notKeith!
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:28 PM
Feb 2019

I suspect that's why he lied his ass off. He wasn't playing to anybody but the proverbial "audience of one": some dude named Vladimir...

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
19. It's a plain as the noses on our faces
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:02 PM
Feb 2019

If we'd just get our heads out of our asses and take a look.

saljr1

(273 posts)
21. The most troubling thing about Helsinki was that shit-ass grin of Putins' as they
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:21 PM
Feb 2019

emerged from the backroom approaching the podium. The grin of Putin says I got this guy in my back pocket and there is not a thing he can do.

calimary

(81,383 posts)
26. MAN OH MAN is that ever a study in body language!
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:24 PM
Feb 2019

Putin, standing tall and proud and pleased as punch, looks like the cat that just ate the canary, the chicken, the pheasant, AND the turkey, with a side of expensive caviar-stuffed koi for dessert.

trump, all slumped over, looks like he either just got beaten up or he just looked in the mirror and saw the Grim Reaper breathing down his neck. Or both.

Which of these two looks like he just got EVERYTHING he could ever have dreamed of - and it's not even Christmas? Who got the real live pony under the tree and who found only a steaming pile of horseshit under there?

OMGWTF

(3,968 posts)
31. Whenever Traitor Tot shakes Putin's hand, his hand is always palm side up and Putin is on top.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:44 PM
Feb 2019

It's not a regular handshake. TT is clearly the "bottom" in their relationship.

OMGWTF

(3,968 posts)
30. I spent the morning at the Mob Museum in Las Vegas
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:41 PM
Feb 2019

Today is the 90th anniversary of the St. Valentine's Day massacre and they were displaying the two Tommy guns used. It's an amazing place with four floors of history and artifacts related to organized crime -- https://themobmuseum.org/

I kept seeing pictures of the Gambino crime family and reminded myself that Special Counsel Robert Mueller took them down. Then, all I could think of was they're going to need a new wing to document and house all of the crimes Trump and ilk have committed.

Talitha

(6,608 posts)
42. Hopefully we'll all get to see the results of the Mueller investigation.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:40 AM
Feb 2019

Love your username, btw.

OMGWTF... it's perfect!!!!

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
48. The KGOP republican wing will open as soon as
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:06 AM
Feb 2019

the frigging kremlin give the corrupted repubes a go-ahead.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
34. They are more worried about the consequences of snitching that Putin gave the orders than they are
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:36 PM
Feb 2019

....about lying to Robert Mueller and the courts....

subana

(586 posts)
38. oh yes!
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:05 AM
Feb 2019

they're obviously lying because, as bad as it is to go to jail for lying to the FBI, the truth is much, much worse!!!

I'm watching Brian Williams' show on MSNBC. He just said that Trump didn't think North Korea had the ability to launch missiles because Putin told him so!! And like the moron he is, he believed him!!!

mwb970

(11,364 posts)
45. Just look at how stupid trump looks in that picture!
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 08:59 AM
Feb 2019

It is maddening to have such a coarse, blundering, ignorant nincompoop in charge of MY country.

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