Chris Hayes is usually smarter than this

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Him tossing out this RW talkingpoint really threw me.

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[SunSeeker]

1. Thank you!

[Duppers]

2. OMG! You're right, SHRED.

Capital gains taxed as income is a must.

I stopped listening to both Hayes and Chris Matthews some months ago - would rather clean the kitchen.
Never miss Rachel and Lawrence tho.

[OnDoutside]

3. I don't believe he is saying that, but rather that once the GOP have ballooned the deficit and are

out of power, we're going to jump back in the cycle of "Oh ok, we must make cuts" like the past has no memory.

You should have a listen to his latest podcast episode

Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

Can We Tax the Rich? with Jesse Eisinger

Why is it so hard to raise taxes on the rich? From freshmen firebrands to Presidential hopefuls, taxing the wealthy has become the Congressional conversation du jour of 2019 that has no signs of slowing down. But before even getting into the policy debates and the ideological disputes, there’s one important and fundamental question that has to be answered: Do we have an IRS that has the capacity to do such a thing? ProPublica’s Jesse Eisinger has done stellar reporting to uncover the scandalous hidden story of the ways the Republican Party, corporate interests, and big donors have all succeeded in gutting the IRS of its ability to do the one thing it exists to do: collect taxes to fund the United States government.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/why-is-this-happening/e/58730094?autoplay=true

[lexington filly]

5. I totally agree

It's a long standing Republican strategy when they run up deficits from their continual pattern of lowering taxes on the wealthy. "Heads we win. Tails we win." They scream fiscal emergency so Democrats don't have funds for our policies and they can stop us or at the least, slow us way down.

[OnDoutside]

9. Exactly, and I hope that Democrats put the foot down and refuse to play that game. Under Pelosi, it

appears to me as if they are starting to learn that lesson.

[okaawhatever]

14. It's not just what the money is spent on, any gov't spending helps the economy and the repubs don't

want the economy to improve under a dem president. That was more than obvious under Obama. I think because Clinton had such a good economy that the republicans were worried voters would figure out we had better economic policies.

[Hamlette]

4. no, you misunderstood. Hayes was saying the GOP with quote us

once we regain the White House. They don't like Dems deciding where the money goes. They believe it should go to rich people only.

[Voltaire2]

6. Exactly. Hayes is correct.

The pattern is clear. In power the Republicans blow huge deficits with their tax cuts for the rich, out of power they ally with centrist Democratic deficit hawks to obstruct progressive programs and promote austerity “reforms” to existing programs.

[dchill]

7. Yep.

[watoos]

8. Hayes is just stating,

what's happened in the past. Hayes is more or less warning us what Republicans will try to do.

This is a good campaign slogan for Democrats in 2020, we need to take back total control of the 3 branches of government, and state government. 2020 is a census year where districts are redrawn.

Republicans are betting on the new AG to save the party from Mueller and the other investigations. God those Republicans are traitorous bastards. We need someone tough to run for president, that's my #1 and really only qualification.

[OnDoutside]

10. 100% agree. Keep hammering at the facade of the GOP, and exposing their lies. There is a unique

opportunity (if the Democratic Party do this right), to utterly smash the GOP for at least a decade. However, if they do, they must ensure that they push for fundamental change, and do not allow another Lieberman to derail keynote policies.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

11. Two Santa Clauses theory at work. Hayes is right.....

the Repugs have us boxed in AGAIN. They will completely flip their campaign dogma for 2020 and start screaming "reduce the deficit" and "cut more spending" and "Democrats will raise your taxes out the roof for welfare programs" and "big government will return again". They've done this to us at least twice already and unless a miracle happens, they're clearly in the process of doing it again....

This is the best summary I've read from 2009 on how this was designed and how it's played out since the '70s:

Two Santa Clauses or How The Republican Party Has Conned America for Thirty Years

Read it here: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/01/26/two-santa-clauses-or-how-republican-party-has-conned-america-thirty-years

(snips)

Ronald Reagan was the first national Republican politician to suggest that he could cut taxes on rich people and businesses, that those tax cuts would cause them to take their surplus money and build factories or import large quantities of cheap stuff from low-labor countries, and that the more stuff there was supplying the economy the faster it would grow. George Herbert Walker Bush – like most Republicans of the time – was horrified. Ronald Reagan was suggesting "Voodoo Economics," said Bush in the primary campaign, and Wanniski's supply-side and Laffer's tax-cut theories would throw the nation into such deep debt that we'd ultimately crash into another Republican Great Depression.

But Wanniski had been doing his homework on how to sell supply-side economics. In 1976, he rolled out to the hard-right insiders in the Republican Party his "Two Santa Clauses" theory, which would enable the Republicans to take power in America for the next thirty years.

Democrats, he said, had been able to be "Santa Clauses" by giving people things from the largesse of the federal government. Republicans could do that, too – spending could actually increase. Plus, Republicans could be double Santa Clauses by cutting people's taxes! For working people it would only be a small token – a few hundred dollars a year on average – but would be heavily marketed. And for the rich it would amount to hundreds of billions of dollars in tax cuts. The rich, in turn, would use that money to import or build more stuff to market, thus increasing supply and stimulating the economy. And that growth in the economy would mean that the people still paying taxes would pay more because they were earning more.

There was no way, Wanniski said, that the Democrats could ever win again. They'd have to be anti-Santas by raising taxes, or anti-Santas by cutting spending. Either one would lose them elections.

That process described in the article needs to be engraved into every Democrat's brain so we can work toward permanently breaking the cycle. We must somehow make Americans aware of this destructive long-term scam, or else this alternating Democrat/Republican government cycle they have us stuck in will slowly destroy us..............

[jodymarie aimee]

12. I am a big fan of yours

but...what really threw me is you spelling threw wrong...usually I think you are brilliant.

[SHRED]

13. LOL

My "humaness" was showing.


Thanks for the heads up.