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Serious point to ponder: Why did Manafort lie? (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 OP
Because he's a republican? mindem Feb 2019 #1
He is scared of Putin MiniMe Feb 2019 #2
That's highest on my list of suppositions Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #4
Agreed sellitman Feb 2019 #5
This is what I think too but I wonder if Mueller knows and has offered protection. Glimmer of Hope Feb 2019 #14
And/or they mysteriously and "accidentally" fall out of 4th floor Golden Raisin Feb 2019 #16
Because he thought he'd get away with it. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #3
For the pardon. Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #6
Why have they all lied? mobeau69 Feb 2019 #7
Indeed, what stinks so much, what is so devastating that Ilsa Feb 2019 #8
They sold out their country for Republican Party Power. Volaris Feb 2019 #11
Maybe he's done it so often, he can't break the habit struggle4progress Feb 2019 #9
I and others have been saying for two years that the truth is very bad manor321 Feb 2019 #10
Force of habit world wide wally Feb 2019 #12
Adam Schiff moondust Feb 2019 #13
This was Malcolm Nance bdamomma Feb 2019 #15
Conspiracy in plain sight. Wellstone ruled Feb 2019 #17
People Make The Choice To Commit Perjury, Even Knowing The Consequences, Because...... ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2019 #18
He's a Repug. He's a partner with Stone, he's a friend of Cheeto's, he's an arrogant prick and Hassler Feb 2019 #19
The "why" is a tantalizing question gratuitous Feb 2019 #20
At some point it becomes pathological. defacto7 Feb 2019 #21
Adam Schiff has an explanation that makes sense to me triron Feb 2019 #22

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
14. This is what I think too but I wonder if Mueller knows and has offered protection.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:13 PM
Feb 2019

Protection seems impossible though.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,868 posts)
3. Because he thought he'd get away with it.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:40 PM
Feb 2019

Almost everyone who lies, whether it's a small, insignificant one ("Honest, honey, you look GREAT in that dress!&quot or a huge one ("I am not a crook" or even better, "Two of the finest public servants it has been my privilege to know&quot most people at least temporarily believe what they are saying, and even when they don't -- especially when the don't -- they just hope it won't come back to bite them.

mobeau69

(11,149 posts)
7. Why have they all lied?
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:44 PM
Feb 2019

That is the question. WTF are they all trying to cover up. That answer will be found in the last chapter. Guaranteed to be mind blowing. Rump may well end up convicted of treason.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
8. Indeed, what stinks so much, what is so devastating that
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:48 PM
Feb 2019

they'd risk their freedom to protect? How fucking bad is it?

Volaris

(10,273 posts)
11. They sold out their country for Republican Party Power.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:54 PM
Feb 2019

And when that becomes widley understood, the GOP as it currently exists, will go the way of the Whigs.

The thing they're trying to protect, is the 2 party-system as they understand it. When they fail, there may well be ONLY Dems and Dirty Liberalism for about 30 years or so....MORE than enough time to drag this nation into the 22 century like is needed, and bury the rocks they're gonna go hide under.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
10. I and others have been saying for two years that the truth is very bad
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:53 PM
Feb 2019

IMHO, the truth about the collusion case is extremely bad. So bad that numerous people have been lying repeatedly.

IMHO, it will be so bad the Congress will have no choice but to impeach. The only question I think is how many Republican Senators, if any, will vote to remove.

moondust

(20,001 posts)
13. Adam Schiff
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:11 PM
Feb 2019

apparently just told Rachel that it may be because telling the truth would have been so damaging to Trump that Manafort knew he would never get a pardon if he told the truth.

(I wasn't listening too closely but that's the gist of what she just told Lawrence.)

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
18. People Make The Choice To Commit Perjury, Even Knowing The Consequences, Because......
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:05 AM
Feb 2019

..........they fear the repercussions of the truth coming out. In this case, I can only come up with three possibilities.

1. He thought he could get away with it (not at all likely, considering he'd already worked out a plea deal to spill his guts in exchange for leniency--he was NOT trying to protect himself from a longer sentence).

2. He feared reprisals from the Russians.

3. He was protecting Trump, possibly in exchange for the promise of a pardon.

I see NO other possibilities.

Hassler

(3,382 posts)
19. He's a Repug. He's a partner with Stone, he's a friend of Cheeto's, he's an arrogant prick and
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:09 AM
Feb 2019

A convicted felon. Thoughts and prayers.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. The "why" is a tantalizing question
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:14 AM
Feb 2019

But ultimately, I don't think even Manafort could untangle all the competing interests, fears, privileges, pitfalls, and all the rest of his motivations for anything he does. Lying? What's shading the truth when you've done all Manafort has done in his life for personal fame and fortune?

I don't suppose the prosecutor is going to be inclined to shrug and let him off with a "Well, whaddya gunna do?" It has also been my experience that judges really dislike being lied to, and federal judges dislike it to the power of Marine drill instructor. Whose shoes are too tight.

Paul Manafort better get comfortable with the idea that he will spend the rest of his natural life in prison, and he will never again wear a tailored suit worth thousands of dollars. The blood of his victims will stain him forever.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
21. At some point it becomes pathological.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 01:04 AM
Feb 2019

They can't even decern the ethical difference between truth and lies. But I also go with the Russian threat scenario.

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