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We have a ruling. (Concerns Manafort) (Original Post) triron Feb 2019 OP
So now, what happens to him? CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2019 #1
More importantly, how might this point to conspiracy against the US and eventurally TREASON. triron Feb 2019 #2
It won't, Codeine Feb 2019 #4
It certainly points to collusion, watoos Feb 2019 #8
I still call it treason. triron Feb 2019 #9
It doesn't, Codeine Feb 2019 #16
He dies in jail, unless Trump pardons him. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #7
He lied because he expects the pardon... Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #3
If he is pardoned he may not go to jail BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #5
He's in jail now malaise Feb 2019 #11
if he is pardoned, he will also have to tell the truth before grand jury if subpoenaed. Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #13
I doubt he will ever tell the truth BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #15
I hope it means that his prison garb will now be his permanent and only wardrobe choice. Marie Marie Feb 2019 #6
I Keep Coming Back To Trump's Written Responses To Mueller's Questions ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2019 #10
I think so. Trump is screwed royally. triron Feb 2019 #12
May it be so. nt Grasswire2 Feb 2019 #14
knr triron Feb 2019 #17
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
8. It certainly points to collusion,
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:30 PM
Feb 2019

and when we find out what Gates has told Mueller about the cigar bar meeting it will point to criminal conspiracy.
This judge's ruling affirms that the Trump administration colluded with a Russian spy.

triron

(22,008 posts)
9. I still call it treason.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:33 PM
Feb 2019


Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


May be difficult to prove in court but it fits the definition.

SunSeeker

(51,597 posts)
7. He dies in jail, unless Trump pardons him.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:26 PM
Feb 2019

Rachel Maddow just explained how not only can Mueller now use Manafort's statements against him to convict him, but the finding that he lied will allow his sentence to be increased.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
3. He lied because he expects the pardon...
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 09:25 PM
Feb 2019

I guess you can say anything if you think it won't matter in the long run.

BigmanPigman

(51,615 posts)
5. If he is pardoned he may not go to jail
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:13 PM
Feb 2019

but isn't he afraid of Putin's chef and his polonium chicken recipe? I hear it is to die for.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
10. I Keep Coming Back To Trump's Written Responses To Mueller's Questions
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:13 AM
Feb 2019

He submitted those answers BEFORE Mueller sprung the trap on Manafort (and while Manafort was still bragging about pulling the wool over Mueller's eyes). So if this Judge has found that Manafort lied intentionally, multiple times, and concerning matters that were material to the investigation..............and Trump's answers match Manafort's answers exactly (as you know they will)............

You see where I'm going with this.

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