MSNBC: Border "deal" includes $1.375 B for a "border barrier"

[Miles Archer]

Frank Thorp, NBC News, is on right now with Lawrence O'Donnell.

Bill needs to be written down. No idea if Trump will sign off on it. $1.375 B for a "border barrier," 55 miles of barrier, NOT a concrete wall, on the 2000 mile border.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. WTF!!! Thought our party's position was not one damn penny for an immoral wall...

So now our position is that the wall won't be "concrete." I'm callin' bullshit on that one!!

No way Nancy & Chuck go back on their promise... we're winning the government shutdown argument for fuck's sake!!

No way they're gonna compromise on a non-concrete wall!!

[theboss]

4. I don't think it's clear we have a position

Obviously some barricades have been in place for decades. I don’t think the formal dem position is “no barriers.” I’ve been to south Texas. There are barriers.

[regnaD kciN]

7. New "fencing," not a wall...

We already have the most vulnerable sections of the border fenced, this just adds 55 miles.

[onetexan]

35. Its beaded curtains

Like nancy said


Im good with a 'smart wall', i.e. no physical wall.

[AJT]

14. There was a barrier built during Obama's presidency.

[OliverQ]

16. Calm down. They didn't give him any wall money.

This is to reinforce a small section of the already existing fencing. It's the same offer they presented last year before the shutdown.

[Fullduplexxx]

2. News tomorrow "dems cave, trump gets wall money"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. No way our side agreed on ANY money for a wall, barrier or whatever the fuck people want to call it.

Nancy promised not one cent... she's too smart to cave on this.

[Fullduplexxx]

8. That's what you will read tomorrow "dems cave on wall"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. So why do this?!

[Fullduplexxx]

22. Idk ... dems dont want govt workers out of work again?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. They still get paid... very well I might add!! This has to be some kind of cruel joke!!

[leftynyc]

43. I'm seeing NONE of that

I'm seeing on both CNN and MSNBC that donnie gets bupkis for his wall and this is the same kind of barrier built while Pres Obama was in office. AND he's getting less money for even that than he was 2 months ago. Why are so many dems so afraid of winning?

[Solomon]

6. Yep. That's how they

will spin it. Pisses me off!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. If true, BEYOND pissed!!

[regnaD kciN]

13. Doubt it...

...since Trump earlier refused $1.6 billion, and declared he would settle for nothing less than $5 billion, under $1.4 billion for "barriers" and "fencing" are going to make it look like a failure to his devotees.

[Fullduplexxx]

23. They are already out there saying dems caved on wall money

[leftynyc]

44. Who is they?

Hannity called it garbage as did McCarthy. So who is whining about the Dems caving. I want names.

[Fullduplexxx]

49. Right wingers on message boards like the hill etc... good to hear the dislike it though

[leftynyc]

52. Who gives a crap what those imbeciles

say? I thought you were talking about our side.

[Fullduplexxx]

51. And now House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy: Pelosi and Democrats caved on Trump's border barrier demand

House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy: Pelosi and Democrats caved on Trump's border barrier demand

Source: CNBC

[leftynyc]

54. And once again

I say who gives a crap what those imbeciles say? They're the ones who have to put lipstick on the donnie pig. Donnie doesn't get his wall and is getting LESS money this time than 2 months ago. He loses and he loses big.

[Progressive Jones]

29. His devotees need look no further than a mirror to see failure. nt

[Demsrule86]

60. Nope this is a loss for Trump...don't demonize Democrats. Another shutdown would be terrible.

[EleanorR]

5. Less than was offered in the December deal that trump rejected

1.6 billion for fencing was offered in the compromise in December, but trump had a hissy.

[regnaD kciN]

10. Conservative pundits declared that, if Trump doesn't get "at least" $1.6b, "his presidency is over."

[bullwinkle428]

11. This is straight out of the "George Costanza School of Negotiation" - bargaining to get

LESS than the originally agreed-upon amount!

[Johnny2X2X]

47. Exactly what I said

Trump had a grand bargain for a wall on the table last year and said no because it wasn't racist enough. The the Dems and the Reps agreed to a deal in December with $1.675 Billion for this type of fencing, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity vetoed it and Trump shut the government down for 35 days. Now the deal Dems and Reps agreed to has $1.375 Billion for fencing and in exchange for some other things to help immigrants that Nancy wanted.

Here's what happened. Dems and Reps agreed to $1.675 for barriers. Trump asked for $5.7 Billion for a wall. Dems said, "OK, the wall is off the table and instead of 1.675 were lowering that to 1.375 and you're going to reduce the beds for immigrants so they can be released sooner."

That is some cold blooded stuff right there. Their next offer is literally, "You'll get nothing and like it!"

[ooky]

9. It keeps going down.

What a negotiator.

[jay1124]

12. deep breaths here!

border barrier could mean, a electronic detection system or even drones, or even more personnel in the border. and you also got to realize that trump has to sign the bill.

Basically it’s either take it, or cause another shutdown. my money is on trump saying no, and killing the gop 2020 chances.

[sprinkleeninow]

34. Exactly what I said tonite when we heard it on the news.

He's gotta sign off on it; I don't think he will.
Hence, another shut down.

Let it stick to him and his cohorts.

Buh-bye, reptilians 2020.

[Joe941]

15. No way Pelosi allows this. The news is fake.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. Yeah... sure hope you're right!!

[stopbush]

20. So, they REDUCED the amount for border barriers that was in the December bill

yet DUers are clutching their pearls that Ds caved on the wall funding.

This is why we lose.

[Fullduplexxx]

24. This will be seen as caving and that is why dems lose because they fold

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Hopefully trump will blow the deal up and save us the embarrassment .


Eta.... House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy: Pelosi and Democrats caved on Trump's border barrier demand

Source: CNBC

[highmindedhavi]

25. Damn it

He got his SOTU and now border money

[uponit7771]

37. What kind of gas lighting shit is this?! No money for the wall is now "reduced amount" !?!? REALLY?!

WTF was all that other crap about then, just give him what he wanted up front

[maxrandb]

46. Only one or two are "clutching their pearls", and I'm not sure they aren't working for the Russians

[briv1016]

21. Let me guess, Schumer authorized this.

There's no way in hell it was Pelosi.

[Pisces]

26. A lot of shit stirrers on this thread, I smell trolls

[Andy823]

27. Trolls or

Just the same old shit stirrers, who really knows?

[SidDithers]

28. Fucking nailed it...

Sid

[Thekaspervote]

30. Agree!!

[ismnotwasm]

32. Yeah.

[leftynyc]

36. Same here

They're not fooling anyone. Donnie gets far, far less than he wanted and there is ZERO for his concrete wall. Fences were being built during Pres Obamas term and nobody here whined. Donnie loses. period.

[Pisces]

48. Exactly

[obamanut2012]

40. Agreed

[KelleyKramer]

50. Yep, you got that right

I'm taking notes Lol!

[Codeine]

53. A whiff a borscht in the morning air. nt

[Progressive Jones]

31. Why do so many believe that there would be zero dollars appropriated?

As long as Trash Dump gets no more than what the Dems wanted to spend anyway, it's a win.
Like it, or not, there needs to be some sort of border security.
Cue the accusations of "trolling" ...

[uponit7771]

38. Because we were told zero dollars for his wall or beaded curtain !? Or is a gas lighting op going to

... begin claiming that never happened or something else was meant by it?

Oh well, this all depends on how dems want to spin "nothing for the wall" cause we know MAGA Nuts are going to claim some kind of victory and then say dems caved anyway

[leftynyc]

45. You were told zero dollars for A WALL

Democrats have always been fine with certain fencing proven by them being built during Pres Obama's term and nobody whining. Hannity already called it garbage and if he's against it, it can't be good for donnie. For Heaven's sake, stop claiming defeat when it's a clear win.

[DeminPennswoods]

39. IIRC, 1.3B was the original DHS ask

for border security and agreed to in the original DHS appropriations bill.

[Vinca]

41. I think this is a great compromise. In the end, Idiot Don gets millions of dollars less than

he would have gotten in the bill back in December that he refused to sign and, I would assume, Democrats got some concessions they didn't have before.

[mnmoderatedem]

42. maybe trump can do the Les Nessman thing

put tape along the border where his wall would have been.

[LakeSuperiorView]

55. Trump wil play "Where's Wall Though?"

He doesn't give a rat's ass about the wall, he wants the controversy dominating the news cycle.

[Autumn]

56. Hannity already doesn't like this so...

Shutdowns on Trump again.

[bearsfootball516]

57. I looked on a couple conservative forums and they're absolutely livid about this.

Basically saying if Trump signs to it, it'll be the end of his presidency.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. It's a win for us.

[Demsrule86]

59. It is for maintaining existing fencing...there is no wall money. The Democrats did a good job...this

is less than what Trump would have gotten before the shutdown.

[bluestarone]

61. RUMP got NOTHING here!!!

COMPLETE victory for Nancy!!!!! This SAME package was on the table in the beginning and RUMP shut down the GOV. There is NO FUCKING WALL!!!