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Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:37 PM Feb 2019

"Wait, wait. Hold it for a minute. I have to answer this."

So you're speaking with someone face-to-face and your phone rings.

You whip it out, glance at it, say, "Oh, I've gotta' get this." You pick it up and whoever you were speaking with is left waiting with their thumb up their ass.

And to one degree or another, you have one pissed off, (or at least annoyed), friend, acquaintance or whoever.

If that's been done to you, try doing what I do. If you're speaking with someone, face-to- face and they answer their phone, walk away when they pick up. If you're speaking with them on a land line, hang up, walk away, and don't worry about it.

Why does some random phone call get priority over you? In effect, when you're speaking with someone, their phone rings, and they tell you to "Hold on a minute," what they're really saying is "I must answer this call that may or may not be more important than you."

If there has ever been a bigger "Fuck You" that existed before smart phones existed, tell me about it. Because that's what smart phones have done to society. They've made "whoever" more important than you while you're having a conversation with someone. They've made you a second class citizen. They've made you a slave to the person you're speaking whose phone suddenly rings and they consider that answering it, is more important than speaking with you.

If I'm speaking with someone and my phone rings in my pocket, I ignore it. The phone has captured the number and I will call back. Perhaps it was a call in which I was going to be informed that a meteor was going to destroy Earth in five minutes. Well, if I had answered the call, it really wouldn't have made much difference.

Do yourself a favor. Be polite and put whatever conversation you're having with someone at the head of the line. If you're phone rings, just say, "I'll get it later," and continue your conversation. Don't let a ring in your pocket control you. As far as I know, there's no law (yet) that says you have to drop everything you're doing and answer it.

And recognize the fact that if you stop whatever you're doing to answer a ring, Pavlov's dogs were trained to answer a bell, no matter what, in order to get food.

So try this out for a while. When you're speaking with someone, or you're even in the middle of making yourself an omelet, let the fucking thing ring. The world won't end because you didn't grab it immediately. And 99.9% of the time, it won't matter that you didn't drop everything to immediately answer a bell from whoever.

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"Wait, wait. Hold it for a minute. I have to answer this." (Original Post) Cyrano Feb 2019 OP
Yes, with one exception. MANative Feb 2019 #1
My exception as well! Staph Feb 2019 #47
My phone is on silent all the time. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2019 #73
Yes, if your mother is in the hospital, and your sister calls from the emergency room with an update jberryhill Feb 2019 #2
I would add that if it's a person who knows you, they will know from experience MH1 Feb 2019 #14
jberryhill, I have been reading saidsimplesimon Feb 2019 #59
This was going on long before there was such a thing a cell phone. Mariana Feb 2019 #3
Exactly my thought, Mariana. kag Feb 2019 #23
I hear you, and I have walked away before, but LuckyCharms Feb 2019 #4
If it isn't my husband or my doctor, luvs2sing Feb 2019 #5
It's like a Mineral Man post, but with swears. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #6
Ha! And here I am. MineralMan Feb 2019 #10
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #15
I totally wish I could "like" this reply... n/t TygrBright Feb 2019 #70
Really? dumbcat Feb 2019 #7
Completely Agree... Chakaconcarne Feb 2019 #27
Thank you. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #36
Yeah, what you said. nt MH1 Feb 2019 #91
When I enter an exam room, if the patient is on the phone, I'll give him or her a few seconds. Aristus Feb 2019 #8
If they want to make you wait, you have to wonder how serious MineralMan Feb 2019 #11
I had a patient once who wouldn't stop texting while I was trying to get the history Aristus Feb 2019 #17
Some folks have become sort of addicted to their cell phones. MineralMan Feb 2019 #19
Before answering machines were common, nobody would simply let the phone ring jberryhill Feb 2019 #20
Right. But many are still behaving as if our phones don't have the ability to take messages, pnwmom Feb 2019 #25
"unless I've been waiting for an important call" jberryhill Feb 2019 #37
But that is less than 1% of the time for me. I think the OP is complaining about people pnwmom Feb 2019 #43
Well, these days, 80% of calls on our landline are telemarketers. Caller ID lets me MineralMan Feb 2019 #41
Nomophobia Shell_Seas Feb 2019 #61
I actually had the reverse of this happen once Bayard Feb 2019 #72
The professional discourtesy of that is staggering. Aristus Feb 2019 #74
I had a doctor take a call once. However, it was not on her cell. Coventina Feb 2019 #76
Besides, it will go to voice mail, so the other person MineralMan Feb 2019 #9
Just hope none of your kids are ever arrested jberryhill Feb 2019 #18
Well, in the first place, I have no kids. MineralMan Feb 2019 #21
Sure, the odds are relatively small, but... Whiskeytide Feb 2019 #42
Etiquette rules? What are those these days? MineralMan Feb 2019 #51
That really is an interesting topic you ... Whiskeytide Feb 2019 #89
Yup. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #52
Wow. I hope you're feeling betterMs Toad ... Whiskeytide Feb 2019 #90
Apparently, the world ended on a regular basis before cell phones. Coventina Feb 2019 #71
Indeed... MineralMan Feb 2019 #77
I have a dumb phone (and a landline). Coventina Feb 2019 #78
I have a flip phone. It fits in my shirt pocket. Only my wife knows the number. MineralMan Feb 2019 #82
Okay, all the calls mentioned above are important and must be answered Cyrano Feb 2019 #12
Most people text, now a days. Shell_Seas Feb 2019 #62
I have a husband and a son with chronic medical conditions. nolabear Feb 2019 #13
Small points... TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #16
Ha! I never answer the phone. That's what voicemail is for. If it's important... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #22
Same, lol! happybird Feb 2019 #79
Something else that's annoying shanti Feb 2019 #24
Then there are the people who simply never get off their phones. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #26
I was interviewing a job applicant once when his phone rang. bluescribbler Feb 2019 #28
I hate it when that happens! DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #29
another option is to Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2019 #30
I was reading your post when my phone rang SCantiGOP Feb 2019 #31
LOL Perseus Feb 2019 #40
i go on a case by case basis. no one size fits all Kurt V. Feb 2019 #32
I am a Psychologist, by profession. nocoincidences Feb 2019 #33
There is only one thing worse. Delmette2.0 Feb 2019 #34
Both of the doctors I see regularly have signs posted justhanginon Feb 2019 #35
I understand what you are recommending but... Perseus Feb 2019 #38
Along the same lines... llmart Feb 2019 #39
Among the two youngest generations, face-to-face MineralMan Feb 2019 #44
I'm older too and I don't think you're missing anything. llmart Feb 2019 #58
I see your point loyalsister Feb 2019 #45
I don't care for that either yet I would have to disagree 2naSalit Feb 2019 #46
Maybe it's someone more important than you. GeorgeGist Feb 2019 #48
Your over generalization could be equally inconsiderate and selfish zaj Feb 2019 #49
Please, if you are volunteering at a site with your children...please don't answer your.... Tikki Feb 2019 #50
Yes. llmart Feb 2019 #56
Oh, that breaks my heart happybird Feb 2019 #81
Umm...nope. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #53
My mother is 79 and relies on me for Doreen Feb 2019 #54
Once during an eye exam... AZ8theist Feb 2019 #55
School/my teens is the exception for me. With the kids, I start with, is this urgent. If it isn't, iluvtennis Feb 2019 #57
What if it's your kids school? Or your expecting a relative to land on a plane? Shell_Seas Feb 2019 #60
Whenever I was on the phone with a friend & they put me on hold to take another call, Demit Feb 2019 #63
Good points and it's why Kind of Blue Feb 2019 #64
My ringer nor vibrate mode are ever on. littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #65
Amen to that....I've ALWAYS been offended when that happens. Hulk Feb 2019 #66
This is easy Charlotte Little Feb 2019 #67
This is kind of a tangent, but I irks me no end when this happens at a checkout hopeforchange2008 Feb 2019 #68
Oh hell no! TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #83
I meant they take a call from a customer calling hopeforchange2008 Feb 2019 #86
My parents' generation think you always have to answer treestar Feb 2019 #69
In the good old days, when a wire ran from the telephone to the wall, LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #75
Tar Macadam MineralMan Feb 2019 #80
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can die happy now. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #84
All of your questions pretty much have the same answer: MineralMan Feb 2019 #85
Ignoring phone is tough when kids, sick spouses, crazy bosses & elderly parents are relying on you. VOX Feb 2019 #87
I have a feeling this happens to you alot GusBob Feb 2019 #88

Staph

(6,251 posts)
47. My exception as well!
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:45 PM
Feb 2019

Mom is 95, and she gets priority over anyone and everyone!

(And if my sister calls, I'll check quickly. Sis usually texts, so a phone call not preceded by a text is usually a problem, and could be a Mom problem.)

Frankly, anyone who doesn't understand that an aging parent's phone call take priority . . . well, that person is probably not worth having in my life.


leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
73. My phone is on silent all the time.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:48 PM
Feb 2019

I ck for calls often. I only turn the ringer on when I am waiting for something important. And then I explain that it us the doctor or vet.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. Yes, if your mother is in the hospital, and your sister calls from the emergency room with an update
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:44 PM
Feb 2019

Then don't let that get in the way of a Jehovah's Witness on your front porch.

Having called my wife while I was suffering a heart attack on the side of the road a few months back prior to my heart actually stopping and before being revived in an ambulance, you'll forgive me for thinking this is silly advice. That phone call may have been my last words on earth to her.

Likewise, if you are shooting the breeze with a friend, and the company with whom you had a job interview last week calls you, then of course you should realize that jobs come and go, but friends are forever.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
14. I would add that if it's a person who knows you, they will know from experience
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:06 PM
Feb 2019

that you sometimes glance at your phone and then "ignore" the call ... and sometimes you answer but tell the caller pretty quickly, "hey can I call you back in x minutes" ... so when you say you really need to take it, there's probably a good reason.

If it's someone that doesn't know you, they should probably be charitable and not assume the worst. Until like the 5th time it happens in 20 minutes or something. In that case you probably would have told them "hey I have a situation going on and may get a call, I apologize in advance".

There's plenty of okay ways to handle these things without having a binary rule.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
59. jberryhill, I have been reading
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:16 PM
Feb 2019

your posts for what seems like an eternity. Thank you for all that you do.

I will increase my positive energy towards your recovery. Sometimes, it is appropriate to step back and let those who love you stand up.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
3. This was going on long before there was such a thing a cell phone.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:44 PM
Feb 2019

It usually happened when you were a visitor in someone's home, since that was where people's phones tended to be, but this behavior isn't new at all.

kag

(4,079 posts)
23. Exactly my thought, Mariana.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:46 PM
Feb 2019

In fact two or three decades ago it was even worse because you couldn't tell who the caller was, and so you ALWAYS answered just in case it was "important".

Also, telemarketing wasn't as common, so when the phone rang there was a very good chance it was someone you wanted to talk to.

And since there was generally one phone per family, often you would answer, and it would be for someone else in the family, so you would hand off the phone and continue the conversation.

Ah, the old days.

LuckyCharms

(17,444 posts)
4. I hear you, and I have walked away before, but
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:46 PM
Feb 2019

sometimes you have to cut the other person off if the call is important. Example: You've been playing phone tag with an MRI provider who needs to interview you for pre-MRI questions because you are having the MRI the next day.

I never cut people off unless I actually have been waiting for an important call such as the example above.

Otherwise, if I am having a conversation with someone, I will put my phone on do not disturb if the conversation is extended. Otherwise, I'll just let it ring.

luvs2sing

(2,220 posts)
5. If it isn't my husband or my doctor,
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:47 PM
Feb 2019

it can wait. The reason I mention my husband is he isn’t the kind of guy to call in the middle of the day just to say hey. If it’s not important, he’ll text. If he takes the time to call, something important is going on.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
7. Really?
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:54 PM
Feb 2019

" ...what they're really saying is "I must answer this call that may or may not be more important than you."

I'm sorry, but I can envision lots of situations where a call from someone else is more important than talking to me. I can wait. I'm not that important that I can't occupy myself for a few minutes while someone takes care of some other issue.

Whatever. I guess I just don't have such an inflated notion of my own importance.

Chakaconcarne

(2,453 posts)
27. Completely Agree...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:52 PM
Feb 2019

"Whatever. I guess I just don't have such an inflated notion of my own importance."

Aristus

(66,381 posts)
8. When I enter an exam room, if the patient is on the phone, I'll give him or her a few seconds.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

If they say: "I gotta go. The doctor (I'm a Physician Assistant) is here." No problem.

If they give me the 'Just a second' finger and continue with their conversation, I move on to the next exam room.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. If they want to make you wait, you have to wonder how serious
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:00 PM
Feb 2019

their problem is, anyhow. Every cell phone I have ever seen has a silent mode and a power button. Why people don't use those, I will never understand.

Aristus

(66,381 posts)
17. I had a patient once who wouldn't stop texting while I was trying to get the history
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:19 PM
Feb 2019

of her current illness.

Finally I said "Why don't you put that away until we're done? If I see it again, I'll terminate the visit, and we can do this another time."

She teared up like I'd just killed her dog in front of her, but she put her phone away.

Never saw her again after that...

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
19. Some folks have become sort of addicted to their cell phones.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:29 PM
Feb 2019

I think it's a real issue that needs to be studied. If they don't have access to the phone and their texts and other communications, they get physically challenged. The phone dings when there's a text, and there's this almost panicky look on such people's faces until they can check the text and answer it. Or, the phone rings and it MUST be answered, even if it's some telemarketer or spam call.

The cell phone has conditioned people to respond to it instantly, I think. That's why, even in states where cell phone use in cars is illegal, and comes with serious fines, you still see people with a cell phone in their hands driving down the road. It has become more than just a phone. It's some people's lives. It's their only escape from their own thoughts.

It could even be a medical problem of the psychiatric kind in some cases, I think.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
20. Before answering machines were common, nobody would simply let the phone ring
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:33 PM
Feb 2019

I have to disagree with this analysis.

It was only when answering machines began to be commonly available due to a court ruling that allowed people to connect third-party equipment to their phone line, that people had the luxury of NOT answering the telephone.

Decades ago, no one would simply let the telephone ring unanswered.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. Right. But many are still behaving as if our phones don't have the ability to take messages,
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:47 PM
Feb 2019

and they do.

At home I usually don't answer the land line. Similarly, I don't answer my cell immediately (unless I've been waiting for an important call), when I'm talking to someone else in person.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
37. "unless I've been waiting for an important call"
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:18 PM
Feb 2019

Which is usually signaled to someone present as "I have to take this call" per the OP.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
43. But that is less than 1% of the time for me. I think the OP is complaining about people
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:30 PM
Feb 2019

who do it frequently. And who don't say something like: "I'm sorry, the hospital is calling."

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
41. Well, these days, 80% of calls on our landline are telemarketers. Caller ID lets me
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:23 PM
Feb 2019

know whether I need to answer. If not, I press the talk button and then the end button after the first ring. My cell phone is off. I use it to make calls, not receive them. My wife, on the other hand is a cellular sort of gal. She was texting back and forth with her sister last evening, and I asked her, "Who decides when to end the exchange of texts?" She had no answer for that. Generally someone just stops replying, but it can go on for some time. I hate the ding of texts. and, then, there's another sound for emails, and yet another for some other interruption.

I'm a curmudgeon, I know, but there it is.

Bayard

(22,083 posts)
72. I actually had the reverse of this happen once
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:41 PM
Feb 2019

I was the patient in an exam room, and the doctor was pressuring me to have a test I really didn't want. He had a call come in on his cell, and proceeded to talk for five minutes, while ignoring me. He lost a patient.

Aristus

(66,381 posts)
74. The professional discourtesy of that is staggering.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:57 PM
Feb 2019

I never take my phone in with me for a patient visit. Even though my phone has medical apps I can consult if I'm stumped for a diagnosis. If I need to do some research, I go back to my desk to do it.

I have a reputation among all of my patients as a good listener. I don't want to do anything to damage that.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
76. I had a doctor take a call once. However, it was not on her cell.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:02 PM
Feb 2019

One of her staff knocked on the door and interrupted the visit.

She apologized profusely, saying it was coming from a surgical room.

I had no problem with that.

In all the doctor visits I have had (and I've had many, I've got lots of issues) that's the only time that has happened.

I hope most people can say something similar.

Stuff happens, but it should be relatively unusual, not the usual.

I commend your professionalism.

I think most doctors and other medical professionals, like yourself, are on the same page on this.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
9. Besides, it will go to voice mail, so the other person
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

can leave a message if it's an important call. If I'm meeting with someone, I shut my cell phone off. That way, if someone calls, they'll go to voicemail immediately. The person I'm with in person is the priority. The other person can wait. I'll call back.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. Just hope none of your kids are ever arrested
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:27 PM
Feb 2019

Because they get one call, and you can't call back.

If your kid is mistakenly arrested and needs someone on the outside to make bail, then you should tell them up front not to call you in those circumstances.

And, yeah, as a lawyer, I've gotten those sorts of calls too.

If one's life is structured so that no one else critically depends on your professional services or personal relationship then, yah, let 'em all go to voice mail.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
21. Well, in the first place, I have no kids.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:36 PM
Feb 2019

In the second place, what are the odds for a typical person that a call is an emergency? Pretty slim, I'd think. Now, if there is an actual situation where you know you might be getting a crucial call, then you can tell the person you're with that you might have to take a call, because there's something crucial going on.

I do know this: If I'm in a meeting with someone, even a client, and they blow me off to take a call that isn't an emergency, they just lost me. I don't have to do business with someone who thinks someone else is more important at the moment. It has happened, too, more than once.

Remember in the old days, when people still had secretaries? "Helen, please hold my calls. I'm in a meeting." Turn off your phone. It will go straight to voice mail if someone calls. Then, you can focus on the valuable client sitting across from you in your office. When that client leaves, the voice mail or number will be waiting for you.

The cell phone is not an excuse for rudeness, it seems to me.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
42. Sure, the odds are relatively small, but...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:29 PM
Feb 2019

... the potential consequences could be great. You might only get an emergency call once or twice a year, but it might well come when your having an in person conversation with another. Low possibility, but not taking that call could be very serious. How would you cope with not taking a call from a loved one in desperate, possibly mortal, need because you were talking about the latest GOT episode with a co-worker?

Take the call. Ask if it’s an emergency or can you call them back in 10 mins. No big deal, I think.

Cell phones have certainly changed our lives. Constant connectivity, and our dependence on that, is a part of our existence now. I think some etiquette rules will simply have to adapt.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
51. Etiquette rules? What are those these days?
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:47 PM
Feb 2019

I'm about halfway finished writing a book on etiquette, entitled "Uncommon Courtesies: An Etiquette for the 21st Century." I've been studying etiquette in a historical sense for decades, now.

A big section of the book deals with the impact of technology on etiquette. New rules, yes. Old principles, though. Human relationships have not really changed, but how we carry them out certainly has. It's very interesting.

There was a very interesting period in the history of etiquette when the telephone became a commonplace device. It took quite some time for it to have a major impact on certain social norms, but its impact was inexorable. Etiquette books in the first three decades of the 20th Century spend a good deal of time discussing the telephone and when it was useful and when using it was a breach of etiquette.

Current technology is far more intrusive and its impact is far more significant than the telephone was. I'm still working on those chapters and trying to come up with a sensible set of guidelines. So, this discussion is interesting.

Low probability events have always been an issue. More so now, when we're expected to always be available. The hand-delivered telegram was once the communications medium of emergencies. But that was long ago. In the days of operator-assisted calls, one could ask for a call to be interrupted if there was an emergency. Today, we have no such options.

I have two elderly parents, who, at 94 years of age, are always a potential emergency waiting to happen. I'm the second-in-line emergency contact number, since I live 2000 miles away. So, I check Caller ID on every call on my landline, which is the number to call. My wife's cell phone is the alternate number, since she always has it with her and on. We can be contacted at any time, but we do not wait constantly on the phone for such contacts.

When we are with friends, my wife's phone is on Do Not Disturb. She checks it periodically to see if voicemails have been left. At home, when we're entertaining, the landline is set up to go to voicemail after one ring. However, I use a digital answering machine, and have it set so that voicemails can be heard on the speaker. All of that for emergency calls. So far, none have come in at such times, and are unlikely to.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
89. That really is an interesting topic you ...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:17 PM
Feb 2019

... have undertaken to write about. I hope you’ll post information about obtaining it when you’re finished.

I’m 57. I was born to older parents in their mid forties (I was the youngest of 5). And I had two children in my early and mid 40s - so I have enjoyed a somewhat greater exposure to multiple generations than many people. My parents were typical southern parents who taught me manners and etiquette from their generation. I also had an aunt I was close to, and she taught high school English for 45 years. I was corrected concerning my language and conduct A LOT growing up. I suppose some of it took.

But my children have also forced me and my wife (who is a few years younger than I) to acquire at least a little modern perspective. Life is just very different for them. A substantial part of their lives are on-line and/or nose to screen time. They both play multiple sports, and make good grades - but still manage to find time for electronics. And their friends are the same way. I’ve watched them interact and it is interesting how they can sit at a table and eat and converse and “phone” all at the same time. Amazing. Or scary. I haven’t really decided yet.

I think the rules probably have to have some situational criteria as well as a participant modifier. If you’re 15 and with friends at the burger joint, phones rule. If you’re with grandmom on Easter Sunday, put it away.

And I often silence my phone when in a meeting or in court (always), but I check it often. When my oldest starts driving ... ugh. I may never put it down.

Good luck with the book.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
52. Yup.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:53 PM
Feb 2019

I rarely have my cell phone with me. When I do, it is when I expect urgent or emergency calls. I'm going to answer it.

I'm glad my family feels the same way. I battled black ice and gravity 3 weeks ago, ending up with a spiral fracture and two less serious fractures. My spouse was home and - belatedly - responded to my screams In the mean time, 911, my daughter, and the person who had to jump in and teach my class on 45 minutes' notice got emergency calls. I'm very glad they didn't just decide not to answer because the odds of it being an emergency were so small.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
90. Wow. I hope you're feeling betterMs Toad ...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:27 PM
Feb 2019

... and I’m also glad they answered.

I’m not sure any invention has had quite the impact smart phones have had on our societal interaction. The wheel, gun powder, automobiles, flight ... all changed society dramatically and were tools for massive advances of our species. But phones have almost become a part of us. They are personal and constantly with us.

I really can’t remember how we got a long without them - and I’m not young.

Please feel better.


Coventina

(27,121 posts)
71. Apparently, the world ended on a regular basis before cell phones.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:40 PM
Feb 2019

Or answering machines.

Or, just plain old telephones.

It's frankly amazing we survived as a species!

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
78. I have a dumb phone (and a landline).
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:28 PM
Feb 2019

My friends and family hate that I don't text.

"But you can just call me!" doesn't seem to help.

I can't figure that one out.
It's not an age thing, because my dad gripes at me as well.

Of course, full disclosure, my dumb phone is often on silent and/or has a dead battery.
So, I'm not available 24/7

For some reason, that's considered offensive to them.



MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
82. I have a flip phone. It fits in my shirt pocket. Only my wife knows the number.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:41 PM
Feb 2019

I use it for emergency calls when I'm out of the house. I also have an Android phone that travels with me, along with a 4g tablet that lets me set up a Wi-Fi hotspot for my notebook PC. Also for travel.

I use technology, but I use it as I choose. It's all a collection of tools.

My business number, though, is a landline. I work at home. My desk phone is a headset, so I can type while on the phone.

I'm posting this on my Kindle Fire, which is my couch device.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
12. Okay, all the calls mentioned above are important and must be answered
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:04 PM
Feb 2019

But give me a fucking break. The vast majority of smart phone calls we all get aren't that. For the most part, we answer phones because we are conditioned to answer phones.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
13. I have a husband and a son with chronic medical conditions.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:05 PM
Feb 2019

I have driven or followed an ambulance to the hospital literally more times than I can count. If I’m in a conversation, a meeting, the library, a therapy session, church, on the gynecologist’s table, or on my grave I will answer their call.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
16. Small points...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:18 PM
Feb 2019

As has been said, there are times when you get a call from a big customer, doctor, pregnant daughter, or whatever that should interrupt your discussion about last night's game. In such a case the proper thing to do is apologize and explain that the call is indeed important.

Worse, though, is the person who ignores the obvious fact that you are deep in conversation and just walks up and starts talking with one of you about something else. I find that to be extremely thoughtless and rude, but if I walk off or say something, then I'm the bad guy.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
22. Ha! I never answer the phone. That's what voicemail is for. If it's important...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:37 PM
Feb 2019

I'll call you right back.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
24. Something else that's annoying
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:47 PM
Feb 2019

I have a relative with Parkinson's, who I exchange messages with a couple of times a month. He has trouble speaking on the phone, so messaging works better for him. Invariably, a friend of mine will drop in at the same time that I'm conversing with said relative, sometimes out of the blue. It's happened a few times already. The last time, my relative was getting deeply into a serious convo about his condition, when the friend knocked on the door. I felt like I had to end the conversation with my relative. I told him I'd contact him later, but it still didn't feel good. I messaged him back the next day, but he hasn't responded.

Also, one of my sons lives nearby, but is in a serious relationship (for a change!) He does not visit often, but when he does, he has that damn cellphone in his hand, looking at it! It annoys the living shit out of me! When you come to visit someone, put the phone down and visit! I've called him out on it and he continues to do it. Kind of at my wit's end

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
26. Then there are the people who simply never get off their phones.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:51 PM
Feb 2019

Last night I was out with a friend doing Geeks Who Drink (which is giant fun if you like that sort of thing) and next to us was a couple, probably in their 40s, who were not doing the trivia but had a couple of beers, never spoke to each other, and each one was on their cell phone texting away. All I could think was, Why bother to go to a bar if that's what you're going to do?

bluescribbler

(2,117 posts)
28. I was interviewing a job applicant once when his phone rang.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:53 PM
Feb 2019

"I have to get this", he said. He was not hired.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
29. I hate it when that happens!
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:54 PM
Feb 2019

I don't own a smart phone. We have a flip phone that belongs in the Smithsonian, and we still have a LANDLINE!

With me, face to face takes precedence every time. I'm busy. Leave a message. If it's really important, I'll get back to you. LOL



Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,577 posts)
30. another option is to
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:56 PM
Feb 2019

ask the person I'm with- ok if I take this, it's so and so an might be important (need attention etc)?

nocoincidences

(2,220 posts)
33. I am a Psychologist, by profession.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:07 PM
Feb 2019

My Master's degree was very Behavioral, and as someone who has a bit of an Oppositional Disorder, even as an adult, I am all too familiar with Pavlovian Stimulus and Response-- bell rings, we push button.

My PhD was much different, focusing on the intervening variable of consideration and decision, Frontal Lobe deliberation, which suited me much better.

But with all of that, the notion that a bell rings and I respond without thinking, is total anathema to me.

It ain't happenin'.

There is no one in my life right now, thankfully, that can control me with a bell.

I'm convinced there are people in America who would stop doing CPR to answer their fricken' phone.

What percentage of calls are real emergencies? Some people for some people, might seem to be possible emergencies, because of their situation.

For most people, just NO.

Especially at the counter when someone is trying to transact business with you while you juggle the phone. That is pure rudeness.

And standing behind you, it is only my Frontal Lobe that stops me from knocking your stupid head off.

Cell phones are just damned intrusive.

Delmette2.0

(4,166 posts)
34. There is only one thing worse.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:08 PM
Feb 2019

I was out to dinner with a friend, her phone rang it was her granddaughter. She sat there in a restaurant with the speaker on!! She kept it down to about a minute but still, the speaker?

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
35. Both of the doctors I see regularly have signs posted
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:11 PM
Feb 2019

in the exam rooms to please turn off cell phones which I do. They also should have a sign when leaving to turn the damn thing back on. Yeah, I'm old!

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
38. I understand what you are recommending but...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:19 PM
Feb 2019

The key to all this is to understand the importance of the call that is coming. If you are trying to close a deal and the call coming in has to do with that deal then, excuse yourself and answer your call. If the person you are talking to when the call comes in is a friend they most probably know what you do and will understand that your deals are time sensitive and you need to take the call.

Of course, the other thing you can do to avoid all that is, if you are in the middle of a deal and you are expecting a call, then don't go out, don't answer anyone's call who is not part of the deal, if someone knocks on your door and they are not part of the deal then do not answer the door, that way you eliminate the probability of having to cut someone off to take that important business call.

I know I am being a bit sarcastic about this, but the cell phone and our ability to talk from anywhere, although it has its negatives like the one being discussed here, it also provides the freedom for you to work from your home and not have to wait in your house for a call to come in, you can go shopping, just take a walk, etc. because you know people can reach you on your cell phone almost wherever you are.

You can tell someone, "please forgive me, please don't go, I have to take this call and it won't take long", someone who cares for you should not feel offended. If you think the call is going to take a long time, then put the caller on hold for a few seconds and tell your friend/family/etc that you will call them later, and do call them...Technology has changed some of our social ethics, and as long as we are polite and able to explain, I don't see why someone would not understand that a call may be very important for you at that moment and the love/friendship between us is not defined by it.

To take such a negative action as to walk away, or leave the person on the phone, or hangup seems to me a bit petty, as I said, technology has given us a lot of freedom, and it has also changed some of our social interactions, as long as we can explain and stay polite, people should understand.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
39. Along the same lines...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:20 PM
Feb 2019

CBS Sunday Morning did a piece on how loneliness has increased amongst all age groups, and research has shown it has quite a bit to do with cell phones and social media. In fact, they went so far as to say we normally think of senior citizens as the loneliest, but that younger adults say they are lonely in greater numbers than seniors.

Food for thought.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
44. Among the two youngest generations, face-to-face
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:32 PM
Feb 2019

meetings are becoming less frequent. That is having an impact on all sorts of social relationships, including courtship behavior. While it might be becoming the new norm, I'm not sure that's a good thing in the long run. The cell phone may be a depersonalizing device, and that can't be a positive change.

I don't know, though. I'm an old man, so maybe I'm missing something in all this.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
58. I'm older too and I don't think you're missing anything.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:12 PM
Feb 2019

I think the jury is out about the effect cell phones have on society/culture. In fact, you and I are old enough to see some of the changes in young persons' relationships from when we were their ages. Let's not forget the ramifications of comparing oneself to others who post all about their "perfect" life on social media. It was bad enough for women my generation when they were fed constant images in women's magazines about how they should look.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
45. I see your point
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:33 PM
Feb 2019

And I think there are degrees of offense in our those kinds of interruptions. I once had dinner with a friend (for my birthday) and she spent most of it on her cell phone. The waiter even commented that he hoped she was paying.
As annoying as that was, I won't begrudge someone taking a phone call from their kid. I also think it's good manners to let a person know if they might have to interrupt conversation to take a call.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
46. I don't care for that either yet I would have to disagree
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:33 PM
Feb 2019

with your premise that the person is telling you that you don't matter as much as the call at that moment means they are saying FU. Perhaps you don't matter as much as the call at that moment. You have to ask yourself why that is.

I would answer a number of calls, even in an important interview, depending on what that call might be about.

I was homeless for a long time in the recent past and the only thing that I had to keep in touch with all the people and services who kept me alive was my cell phone, my literal lifeline.

Social services are hard to come by in a red state and you must jump through a lot of hoops to stay in good graces with them in order to have them help you. Some demands are that you are available for a phone interview at a given time, which they never honor so it means all day but you better answer when they call because if you don't answer the call, like the SNAP interviewer, I would have no way to feed myself and would have to go through the whole process of hoop-jumping for weeks to be able to get back to the point of that phone call again. The same with the people helping me find housing, and my disability claim. And then there were my family and friends who would check up on me to make sure I didn't blow my brains out.

And I might be talking to you at the grocery store where I went to get warm but we got in a conversation and then the phone rings...

Before you go into the "I wouldn't have been talking to you..." Let me tell you that 98% of the people I encountered during that time had no idea that I was homeless. I present as a middle-class, educated, well dressed individual with a decent looking vehicle, that I lived in.

Along with the other reasons mentioned above, I have to disagree, step back and think about why you feel offended about that.

So making that claim about how you can't stand how someone answers the phone when you are engaged in a conversation and they pick up the call is understandable to a small degree. It may be annoying but you will just have to accept that it is one of the courtesies we gave up for our newer, completely connected lifestyle. It's a cultural shift, might not be a positive one but it's a shift.

ETA: You know hat I hate? That everyone expects me to have a damned "smartphone".


 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
49. Your over generalization could be equally inconsiderate and selfish
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:46 PM
Feb 2019

People are busy, we multitask. It's easy enough to be understanding of their needs and not demand that they meet my perfect example of full and undivided attention.

Like anything, some people can be rude, but your over generalization and over reaction here refects a potentially equally inconsiderate selfishness.

It all depends on the situation.

It can certainly feel annoying, and at times it might be rude.

Generally I think of it this way... In an alternate universe where they stayed home to wait on this priority 5 minute call, I lost out on the benefits of spending the remaining 55 minutes of the meeting with them.

Hope that's helpful.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
50. Please, if you are volunteering at a site with your children...please don't answer your....
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:47 PM
Feb 2019

cell phone during one-on-one time with your child or any of the children you’re spending time with.

Sad to see a child’s face when a parent/volunteer walks away from recess/sharing time and starts
talking away on the phone.

Leave an emergency phone number with the site office and ask staff to inform you if there is an emergency.

Children love to show off their parents in volunteer situations.


Tikki

llmart

(15,540 posts)
56. Yes.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:06 PM
Feb 2019

I was at a preschool/kindergarten grandparents day where you get to eat lunch with your grandchild that day and I was appalled at a couple of the grandmothers who kept looking at their cell phone and one even took two calls in the forty-five minutes we were there and neither of the calls was important. I could tell it was gossip.

The irony of this was that one of the grandmothers asked me how old my granddaughter was because she had such a fabulous vocabulary for her age. I told her how old she was and the grandmother replied, "This little guy hardly talks much. She must really be smart." I wanted to say to her, "Well, why would he talk when no one is paying attention to him?"

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
53. Umm...nope.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:55 PM
Feb 2019

On the rare occasions I have my phone with me, it is because I expect urgent and/or emergency calls. Definitely answering it if it is a family member - and likely answering it even if I don't know the number becaus it is likely someone to whom I've given my number for urgent calls. The other 10 months of the year, I'm not even likely to have my phone with me.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
54. My mother is 79 and relies on me for
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:02 PM
Feb 2019

if she needs help with something so for her I will answer. If I am waiting for an important call I let the person I am talking to know when I first see them. Other than that others can wait. Oh yeah, I do answer if it is a call we are both waiting for together but that is a duh.

AZ8theist

(5,470 posts)
55. Once during an eye exam...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:04 PM
Feb 2019

The nurse walked in and told the doctor his Mercedes dealer was on the phone.

Without saying a word, not even an "excuse me", he got up and walked out of the room in the middle of the exam.

Obviously his fucking car was more important than his patients.

We never went back to him again.

iluvtennis

(19,861 posts)
57. School/my teens is the exception for me. With the kids, I start with, is this urgent. If it isn't,
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:10 PM
Feb 2019

I tell them I will call them back.

Shell_Seas

(3,333 posts)
60. What if it's your kids school? Or your expecting a relative to land on a plane?
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:27 PM
Feb 2019

Or the second time your husband calls in 10 minutes? What if it's an important work related call? What if it's your attorney? What if it's someone calling to say they were in the hospital?


Gee. I understand not picking up if it's a sales call of something like that, but some people have other people that depend on them. Ignoring your family or family obligations if an emergency comes up doesn't seem very responsible, even if it's at the risk of upsetting a friend you are chit-chatting with.



 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
63. Whenever I was on the phone with a friend & they put me on hold to take another call,
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:34 PM
Feb 2019

I'd wait a bit, but if the wait felt too long I would hang up. Some people get absorbed in the 2nd conversation and kind of forget they've left you dangling. And I agree with you, that's rude.

I was always taught that you answer the phone and, if it's a friend just calling to chat, you say I can't talk right now so I'll call you back. Or I'm busy right now so I'll call you back.

All these responses you're getting about dire emergencies or important calls people have been waiting for, I don't think those were the kinds of calls you were talking about. I did thoroughly enjoy reading the nasty responses, though, all that high dudgeon and outrage and insults to you. People's concept of manners sure has changed, that's for sure.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
64. Good points and it's why
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:37 PM
Feb 2019

my husband and I share a cell phone. Any family or close friends know that he has it during the day at work and they must leave a message on the good old landline and I'll get back to them later if I don't answer right away. The cell is an inconvenience unless I'm on the road alone. I never could get with having a phone next to or on me that I feel strangely compelled to answer right away.

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
65. My ringer nor vibrate mode are ever on.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:37 PM
Feb 2019

I rarely answer my phone at all. Voice mail may lie in wait for hours. So it's highly unlikely I will follow any advice on this subject. I most likely won't answer if you call and if the face to face conversation I'm having with you is a waste of my time, I will most likely end my participation in it, as well. You see I'm a grown up and make my own decisions on what to do, not to do and how and when to do it.

Rock On, Cyrano! I'm sorry folks are being rude to you. Let them roll off, like water off a duck's back. Or you can flick them off like bugs and carry on.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
66. Amen to that....I've ALWAYS been offended when that happens.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:41 PM
Feb 2019

I had a friend that LIVED on the fucking phone. He'd come to visit, and his phone would ring. He wouldn't even ask permission or say anything to me...he just took the call. Fuck you! Not a friend any longer, for a number of reasons...THAT being one of many.

If we were outside, I'd walk away. If we were in my house, I just left the room and left him sitting alone. I get so pissed at people who think they have to take every g'damned call that comes in, and even on the public transit system...they have to take it and share their g'damned conversation with everyone sitting around them.

Cell phones are a plague. They serve a useful purpose in so few ways, yet invade our privacy in so many.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
67. This is easy
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:45 PM
Feb 2019

If you are expecting an important call of any kind, just let your friend/loved one know when you are speaking with them either on the phone or face to face. My Mom does it with me all the time. When I call home, I feel like I should be the center of attention. My mother knows this intuitively as I've never complained to her. But if one of her sisters, my Dad, or my sister calls or she's waiting on a call from someone (typically a doctor or pharmacist), she is going to take the call. But she always says to me, "I'm sorry, I have to take this, it's _________ fill in the blank." And if she knows ahead of time, she just tells me. "If I have to get off the phone, it's because I'm expecting a call from _______ fill in the blank." She then calls me back with a "sorry, I had to take that."

No hard feelings at all, just good communication. Because let's face it, people do need to take calls even when spending time with people they love.

Now, if it's someone who takes a call and starts chatting with a friend while I'm just sitting there waiting, nope. I have a friend who does that and we've had words about it. Definitely awful behavior.

 

hopeforchange2008

(610 posts)
68. This is kind of a tangent, but I irks me no end when this happens at a checkout
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:47 PM
Feb 2019

Especially, if I've been standing in line, and the clerk drops everything to pick up the suddenly ringing phone, and it becomes the priority ahead of we poor slobs who are waiting for service.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,194 posts)
83. Oh hell no!
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:57 PM
Feb 2019

I will go straight to a manager about that! They are getting paid to work, not talk on the phone.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
69. My parents' generation think you always have to answer
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:54 PM
Feb 2019

Even the landline.

The second issue is that you get so many more calls since anyone can call at anytime - they don't have to find a phone first or be at the office or at home. They can be anywhere and so the number of calls increased.

And then all the spam calls!

I just about always let it go to voicemail unless it's an elderly parent.

75. In the good old days, when a wire ran from the telephone to the wall,
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:00 PM
Feb 2019

if I had a guest and we were engaged in a conversation I'd let the phone ring. After about five rings they'd usually ask, "Aren't you going to answer that?" I"d tell them that whoever was calling would call back. Talking with my guest was more important.

My personal pet peeve is to be standing in line at a store and having the clerk answer the telephone and serve the caller's needs before they serve a person who has been waiting in line. Grrrr!

Telephone terms we still use that don't really apply anymore: dialing a telephone, hanging up, looking up something in the Yellow Pages book, the phone is ringing. In small towns with only one prefix you only had to dial the last four digits. Later it was seven, and now ten. Many people don't know the telephone numbers of family or friends -- they just put it into their phone. There used to be payphones aplenty -- now I know of two in our town.

On a related matter, the "Save File" icon in the upper left corner of most programs is based on a 3.5" data disk that hasn't been used in more than 20 years.

And would somebody please tell me where the word "tarmac" came from when referring to the surface of an area to park airplanes? I flew in the Air Force for 18 years and was never able to find out.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
80. Tar Macadam
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:34 PM
Feb 2019

It's an old road construction term
A Macadam road was originally a stone and gravel road, higher in grade at the center for drainage. Later, such roads were coated with tar or asphalt to shed water better. Tarmac.

84. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can die happy now.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:11 PM
Feb 2019

Actually, there are a few mysteries I have yet to solve before kicking the bucket, including:

1. Why do women who shop in Walmart park their carts full of unpaid merchandise directly in front of the women's room door, blocking it, while they use the facilities?

2. If I am at a stoplight where right turn on red is legal, why does the driver to the left of me -- who is going to go straight or turn left -- pull into a position to block my view in that direction? Also, if I edge forward to look around them, why do they move the same distance to continue to block my view, even though they can't go through the intersection until the light changes?

3. If I am standing in front of an elevator on the first floor and someone walks up, why do they push the button to summon the car? Are they assuming I was standing there just waiting for them to arrive and do it?

4. If there's a car blocking a gas pump in front of me and the driver is no where to be seen for several minutes, why does the driver eventually return holding candy and chips from the mini-mart, then pump their gas?

5. Related, once a person has finished refueling, why don't they pull forward into an empty parking space so someone else can use the pump, especially if they used a card to pay outside?

6. Why do some drivers refuse to zipper into slow moving traffic on a freeway, but insist on passing everyone to enter at the very last moment?

7. Why do people not throw away their trash at a fast food restaurant?

8. Why did that woman sitting next to me yell "Boo! Boo!" after the movie "Moulin Rouge" concluded, when the rest of the audience burst into spontaneous applause? Who yells "boo" at a movie screen? What adult yells "boo" unless they're watching a game of baseball or football, etc.?

9. Why do some people ignore overwhelming amounts of scientific evidence, and risk the lives of their children because of something Suzanne Somers said? (She was an early anti-vaxxer.) Why does anyone listen to anything Suzanne Somers says?

10. Why does the screaming child always end up near me on an airplane?

Once I have the answers to these 10 questions, I will crawl into my biodegradable coffin and die with a smile on my face.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
85. All of your questions pretty much have the same answer:
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:44 PM
Feb 2019

Each of those people considers him or herself to be the most important person in the planet. They are wrong, of course. I am the most important person in the planet.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
87. Ignoring phone is tough when kids, sick spouses, crazy bosses & elderly parents are relying on you.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:34 PM
Feb 2019

Smart phones aren’t going away, regrettably.

Humans once needed technology to survive; now, technology needs humans so it can survive.

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