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politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:28 PM Feb 2019

I know most of you are tuned into the Hearings but just wanted to pass on some interesting info

Just before the hearings got underway, Stephanie Rhule passed on 4 Tweets sent to Trump or the GOP. The people who sent the Tweets at up in arms over their taxes. Below is a summary:



Bh@distorion12345
Replying To: @realDonaldTrump
I just did my taxes and paid in/made the same as last year. I owe 4K more.. I voted for Trump. But will not be next election.



David Hoffman@jtDavidHoffman
Last year I got a tax refund. This year, with unchanged salary, I owe $1300.

I'm middle class

Yet the very wealthy got huge cuts

#ThanksRepublicans



Dee Nelson
@deeebeeezz

@realDonaldTrump just did my taxes and thanks for increasing mine!! No change in income and got back $400 less than last year That campaign promise was one of the only two reasons I voted for you. Retinking that decision now.



Dennis Jordan
@DennisMJordan

Replying to @GOPChairwoman and @GOP
I am a Republican voter I just did our taxes.

The @GOP tax bill cost my family THOUSANDS of dollars this year on our return due to changes, thereby hitting us with the LARGEST tax increase of our lives.

We are middle-class homeowners, and you raised our taxes.

Infuriating!



Somehow I believe there are lots more people out there who feel this way.



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I know most of you are tuned into the Hearings but just wanted to pass on some interesting info (Original Post) politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2019 OP
Well not sorry for them one bit. They were the victims of a con. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #1
they weren't victims... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #6
Exactly DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #14
You get a heart for that post! TheBlackAdder Feb 2019 #20
Hey thanks@ I needed that! n/t getagrip_already Feb 2019 #25
Perfect! jayschool2013 Feb 2019 #54
They screamed LOCK HER UP Cosmocat Feb 2019 #57
And we were their victims. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #21
Can't watch hearings DownriverDem Feb 2019 #36
Exactly Metro135 Feb 2019 #43
and still they're only "RETHINKING" their votes, they're not going anywhere! BamaRefugee Feb 2019 #44
The tax thing will have a much bigger impact than today's hearing. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #2
The tax scam will trigger the Trump recession along with tariffs and his other nonsense dalton99a Feb 2019 #18
I feel a case of Schadenfreude coming on... The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #3
Me too. I feel guilty in taking so much pleasure in badhair77 Feb 2019 #9
It'll be even worse in 2021 davekriss Feb 2019 #35
And it's not just for this year. We'll all be paying more for years. brush Feb 2019 #45
This will slowly roll out until May as the Trumpers learn they have been fucked rurallib Feb 2019 #4
Millions will feel this trickle-down very soon dalton99a Feb 2019 #5
Warm urine running down ones back..... magicarpet Feb 2019 #67
Unfortunately it isn't just Trumpers who are getting hurt pandr32 Feb 2019 #7
over $1,000 more for me this year not fooled Feb 2019 #17
And we need to reach out to them, emphasize that we're didn't advocate this garbage ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #8
Wait until they see pharma prices soar even higher.... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #10
+1 dalton99a Feb 2019 #11
The place hubby and I will really get hurt is meds. We are both on several brand-name maintenance... Hekate Feb 2019 #31
Maybe you havent noticed but airplaneman Feb 2019 #61
Wow, nI didn't know that..... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #63
Its stunning to hear the different amounts that are owed!! donkeypoofed Feb 2019 #12
Ditto Traildogbob Feb 2019 #39
and then there are people like me Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2019 #13
This is an excellent reason on why people should NOT vote for someone for only 1 reason. GemDigger Feb 2019 #15
So they sold out their country in the hope of getting ahead financially Brawndo Feb 2019 #16
Exactly it. Duppers Feb 2019 #34
Apparently, suckers gotta suck B Stieg Feb 2019 #19
But... czarjak Feb 2019 #22
Pardon me while I snicker in their general direction Hekate Feb 2019 #23
Mighty hard not too, Hekate. calimary Feb 2019 #40
The republicans massively SUCKERED taxpayers Achilleaze Feb 2019 #24
Told ya so... We told ya so... na na na na na na world wide wally Feb 2019 #26
ROFLMAO! vishnura Feb 2019 #27
Idiots. And I am sure they will not admit it would not have happened treestar Feb 2019 #28
Looks like I guessed about right gay texan Feb 2019 #29
Trumpanzees having buyer's remorse? Say it isn't so.... chwaliszewski Feb 2019 #30
suckers TeamPooka Feb 2019 #32
We did not vote for trump. We have been retired for years and live on our SS. appleannie1943 Feb 2019 #33
New tax law enid602 Feb 2019 #37
Thank Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan too. ffr Feb 2019 #38
Our party has a great opportunity to pick up 2020 votes by repealing that tax scam ooky Feb 2019 #41
Sheldon made 670 million on the tax cuts, and we're paying for the #TrumpTaxScam. sarcasmo Feb 2019 #42
I'm retired on Social Security with a pension and I did a preliminary check. LiberalFighter Feb 2019 #46
Oh, yes, many more. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #47
Thanks for the break from the action! DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #48
I'm guessing those are in the high-tax states. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #49
Dee Nelson: "Retinking that decision now." C Moon Feb 2019 #50
My taxes JenniferJuniper Feb 2019 #51
And 90% of them (MAGAts) awesomerwb1 Feb 2019 #52
It will get worse this weekend riverwalker Feb 2019 #53
There was more than enough EVIDENCE during the 2016 campaign vlyons Feb 2019 #55
Starting to catch up with 'em! RoBear Feb 2019 #56
They're kind of slow. OMGWTF Feb 2019 #58
It actually gets a lot worse that this. airplaneman Feb 2019 #59
I am barely above poverty level and have the ACA with BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #60
The guy who sells propane is a trumper and WhiteTara Feb 2019 #62
For a lot of people that annual refund is really, really important peggysue2 Feb 2019 #64
Did mine a couple of weeks ago shanti Feb 2019 #65
Ya mean -- Trump... LIED??? Blue Owl Feb 2019 #66
I hope people are happy with the monster they voted into office. Damn fools!!! And they cause all RKP5637 Feb 2019 #68

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
6. they weren't victims...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:35 PM
Feb 2019

They were cheerleaders.

They called it fake news.

They wouldn't hear.

Now, they get what they voted for.

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
54. Perfect!
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:58 PM
Feb 2019

The analyses done by independent groups and reported on by the hated "MSM" were spot on. If you choose not to believe independent analysts and media, that's your fucking problem.

SunSeeker

(51,569 posts)
21. And we were their victims.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:09 PM
Feb 2019

My middle class family in California is paying a lot more in taxes this year, thanks to Trump's changes re state and local tax deductability, etc.

We didn't vote for Trump, but the dipshit racists who did really fucked us (and themselves) over.

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
18. The tax scam will trigger the Trump recession along with tariffs and his other nonsense
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:03 PM
Feb 2019

Consumer spending will go down when people feel poorer

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
3. I feel a case of Schadenfreude coming on...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:33 PM
Feb 2019

Dumbasses voted for an ignorant, nasty, racist sonofabitch with fewer qualifications for the presidency than the average house cat because they thought he'd lower their taxes. And now they're stuck with him. Unfortunately, so are we.

badhair77

(4,218 posts)
9. Me too. I feel guilty in taking so much pleasure in
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:38 PM
Feb 2019

the trumpers’ pain. And only the trumpers’ pain. I feel great sympathy for the others. I have no idea how we’ll fare. My tax appointment is next month. Until then I’m watching what I spend.

davekriss

(4,618 posts)
35. It'll be even worse in 2021
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:48 PM
Feb 2019

The tax “break” on brackets (rates) are retired and tick back up to what they were prior to the Trump tax scam.

brush

(53,784 posts)
45. And it's not just for this year. We'll all be paying more for years.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:28 PM
Feb 2019

Ryan did his dirty work and quit, now may be deplorables will vote against trump and turtleman.

rurallib

(62,420 posts)
4. This will slowly roll out until May as the Trumpers learn they have been fucked
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:33 PM
Feb 2019

couldn't happen to a nicer group.

I vaguely remember when Reagan did something similar. I loved watching my Reagan loving managers realize they had been screwed over by their hero, Saint Ronny.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
7. Unfortunately it isn't just Trumpers who are getting hurt
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:37 PM
Feb 2019

We have yet to file our taxes, but I know it will be unpleasant as hell.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
17. over $1,000 more for me this year
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:02 PM
Feb 2019

And to think..our $1,000s and $1,500s and $4,000s are going to filth like the kook brothers or adelson or...name your unpatriotic, greedy plutocrat.


SWBTATTReg

(22,130 posts)
8. And we need to reach out to them, emphasize that we're didn't advocate this garbage ...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:38 PM
Feb 2019

tax cut and jobs bill that's raising taxes for millions of Americans, but not the %1ers!! This is an issue that doesn't require any paid commercials to hammer the repugs on. Peoples' pocketbooks and the empty feel of no money or less money does the trick better in any advertising for the 2020 elections.

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
10. Wait until they see pharma prices soar even higher....
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:38 PM
Feb 2019

Need a drug that doesn't have a generic? You will pay thousands more per year (even with insurance).

Oh, and with the changes trump made, generics won't be available (just extended drug patents by 10 years and made it much easier to continue protection)

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
31. The place hubby and I will really get hurt is meds. We are both on several brand-name maintenance...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:29 PM
Feb 2019

...prescriptions. He's still working, but his employer chose one helluva cheapo plan. The insurer wants all prescriptions to be generic, period. Several of ours aren't even in the formulary. We are old enough that we each have well-documented adverse reactions to some of the not-exactly-identical generics.

I'm very lucky my husband is patient and persistent and tries to befriend clerks at the other end of the phone line, because I would have lost my frickin mind by now.

And for now we are fortunate to be able to carry it if we have to, but it will hurt.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
61. Maybe you havent noticed but
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:46 PM
Feb 2019

Generics have caught on and jacked up their prices massively.

Here are my personal examples time period is over five years:

My 4 cheepie generic drugs that used to be $8 for a four month supply jumped to $16 and then $32 each. Another Generic was $47 for four months jump to $188 and I simply stopped taking it.

A Brand name drug that cost $100 a month raising to $400 a month in five years goes generic and the release generic price is $380 per month - three different generics available and all the same price. (Should be $30)

-Airplane

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
63. Wow, nI didn't know that.....
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:54 PM
Feb 2019

I'm 60 and my wife is 59, but the only script meds either of us is on is a cholesterol drug, and our plan covers it if we get a 90 day supply of generics.

I hadn't heard formulates were gouging as well. That is criminal......

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
12. Its stunning to hear the different amounts that are owed!!
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:43 PM
Feb 2019

Whereas in previous years people would get, say,$6k back BUT now owe $2k !! That would me cry and cry .....

There is even one tweet where the lady said she has lost lifelong friends over Spanky. Unbelievable! I'd feel sorry for her but she's just dumb.

These tweets are only gonna be increasing and they're all hilarious and kinda sad.

Traildogbob

(8,748 posts)
39. Ditto
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:01 PM
Feb 2019

I posted a few day's ago about myself, my daughter and 3 brothers all had to pay this year and in past years, no changes, always got refunds. I have a very small contractor doing a little deck for me now, he just finished his returns. Typically he has received $6,000 refunds with deductions for materials. This year he owes $7,000, with deductions eliminated under new tax laws. I was called a lier by a DU reader. Since being called a lier, these tax payers have been posting none stop about this scam of a tax break. I was gonna splurge and treat myself with the promised huge tax refund at the local dollar store. But, with the tariffs on China, all the dollar shit is now $4.5 dollar shit. But, I owe Dumpy Donny for golf trips, and just wait for the final bill on a wall with Russian steel beams. MAGA! Freakin Libtards.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,577 posts)
13. and then there are people like me
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:44 PM
Feb 2019

who did not vote for him and my taxes went up and I didn't make all that much more than the previous year...…… except I knew I was gonna get fleeced.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
15. This is an excellent reason on why people should NOT vote for someone for only 1 reason.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:47 PM
Feb 2019

They worried about taxes over national security. I hope they can't afford the new toy they were planning on. Sucks to be a republican.

Brawndo

(535 posts)
16. So they sold out their country in the hope of getting ahead financially
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:50 PM
Feb 2019

if this is all they suffer then they're lucky.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
40. Mighty hard not too, Hekate.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:06 PM
Feb 2019

We WARNED them!

We warned and warned and warned and warned some more. Presented all kinds of proof from that bastard’s past record of cheating his contractors and subcontractors, already pointing to the fact that Russians were suspiciously popping out of the woodwork at the convention, and lurking behind almost every last individual around trump, up to and including his kids, his campaign, and all around his finances and business interests (just ask his son Ericabout that statement that bankloads of Russian money was flooding into their operations), and all the other stuff, too (like “grab ‘em by the pussy” and the hush money paid to his backstage girls, and the anecdotes about him bathing into the dressing rooms of teenage pageant contestants WHILE they were dressing, AND MORE).

WTF??? Were they that deeply in denial that it clogged their ears, closed their eyes, and shut down their logical thinking? Did they just so desperately yearn for that “wish sandwich” he was serving? That’s the one from the “Blues Brothers” scenario - where you have two pieces of bread and you WISH you had some meat?

We warned them. We presented cogent arguments and credible convincing evidence galore. And they just weren’t willing to listen. They refused. They knew better. They were eager to forget about that black guy in the Oval Office who (SHOCKING!!!) wasn’t the janitor and welcome a new guy who might help them forget. We warned them.

So when they dismissed our warnings and all the early truths that had already started coming out, and the nonstop lying about EVERYTHING, and are now taking it in the shorts thanks to their “anointed one”, should we feel sorry for them?

A better person than this reporter would probably say yes. At the moment, this reporter is having a mighty hard time finding her way there.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
24. The republicans massively SUCKERED taxpayers
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:17 PM
Feb 2019

and they are just waking up to how badly they've been suckered by the GOP

gay texan

(2,453 posts)
29. Looks like I guessed about right
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:28 PM
Feb 2019

I put myself at the highest standard tax rate anyway, but once that bullshit tax bill passed, I had another 10% taken out of my check. It worked, fortunately. I got the same amount on a refund as I did last year, but it took a lot more money I could have put to better use.

So to the Trumpers that are pissed, well ain't that a bitch you poor things, LMAO!!!!!

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
30. Trumpanzees having buyer's remorse? Say it isn't so....
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:28 PM
Feb 2019

I'd like to tell all of them a famous quote from Porky's Bear Facts (1941), "You buttered your bread, now sleep in it."

It's at 5:40 of the video.

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
33. We did not vote for trump. We have been retired for years and live on our SS.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:41 PM
Feb 2019

The pension my husband receives simply covers the cost of our health and drug insurance with about twenty dollars left for us. We have always counted on our refund to cover some of our property and state taxes. Hubby just tried to figure out the new tax scheme. This year instead of a refund, for the first time, as near as he can figure, we will owe about $50.

I know that does not sound like much to most people but when you live on less than $35,000 a year, one of you have just gone through 3 years of cancer treatment that you beat but have lasting permanent effects such as need oxygen to breathe, have diabetes and between the disease and chemo can barely feel your feet and require a walker, have chemo caused renal problems with weakened kidney function, you struggle just to make it through a month and sure do not have the ability to save money.

Hubby recently was given a prescription to keep his breathing not get better but hopefully maintain what he now has. Our cost after Medicare and drug insurance was almost $300 a month. We told the pharmacy to please put it back on the shelf because we don't have that kind of money.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
37. New tax law
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

An exec for H&R Block was on one of the shows. They’ve spent millions training their preparers in grief and anger management in anticipation of customers’ reactions to tax preparation this year.

ooky

(8,924 posts)
41. Our party has a great opportunity to pick up 2020 votes by repealing that tax scam
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:08 PM
Feb 2019

now and turn around and redirect that money to poor and middle class.

I'd like to see the House vote on that during the tax season and get it tabled. Next week would not be too soon.

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
46. I'm retired on Social Security with a pension and I did a preliminary check.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:31 PM
Feb 2019

Looks like my refund will be $80 less than last year. And pay more to the state.

Thought I was suppose to get thousands more in tax cuts.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
48. Thanks for the break from the action!
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:43 PM
Feb 2019

For those poor suckers who voted for the traitor and are now paying for it, I have only one thing to say, stupidity is its own reward.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
49. I'm guessing those are in the high-tax states.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:46 PM
Feb 2019

The GOP targeted the big city areas in high tax states, which are almost all mainly Democratic. They capped property tax deductions and maybe sales tax deductions. Since those are high tax states, that hits those cities the hardest, raising their taxes.

That wouldn't affect my state, which has low property taxes (but other, higher taxes...those are spread out and not deductible, anyway).

The first guy I heard on a videotape...he's a lawyer in the NE. Republican.

Too bad it won't affect the Trumpers in my area, since they are pointing to the tax cuts for ordinary Americans as one of the proofs that Trump is killin' it as a great President. (But then if it them, it would hit me, too! So I'm glad about that.)

And SO GLAD I moved from the high-property tax area of Dallas.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
50. Dee Nelson: "Retinking that decision now."
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:47 PM
Feb 2019

Rethinking?
You know what that means: "I'll forget about it soon, and play the fool for the GOP again."

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
51. My taxes
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:50 PM
Feb 2019

I own a modest house in Massachusetts. I earn a modest middle income. I did not change my withholding, despite nonstop reminders from my employer, because I wanted to compare apples to apples. My salary went up a little but so did my mortgage as I refinanced and cashed a little out.

For at least the past 10 years I've gotten around $2700 back in federal.

This year? $443.

Fucking Republicans.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
53. It will get worse this weekend
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:58 PM
Feb 2019

When more people are starting to file. I saw where one tax preparer said people are leaving his office in tears.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
55. There was more than enough EVIDENCE during the 2016 campaign
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:58 PM
Feb 2019

to figure out that Trump was a cheat, a liar, and a degenerate man of low character. If Trumpsters were themselves truly decent people, they never would have voted for him. But they aren't decent people. If they were truly decent people, the Obama birther bullshit and racism and homophobia, and demonizing poor people would have turned them off years before 2015.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
59. It actually gets a lot worse that this.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:34 PM
Feb 2019

In 2019 more deductions go away and in 2026 the standard deduction goes back to what it was and you still continue to not have any deductions. Within weeks of reading the released details I estimate my taxes going up 10-20% this year and 50-60% in 2026. People keep saying it was a 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut. The real fact is its a 6 trillion dollar tax cut for the rich and a 4.5 trillion tax increase for the 99% - the 1.5 trillion is just the shortfall of the tax cut effect or what gets added to the deficit. (Keep in mind these are 10 year figures). This is the largest tax increase (for the 99%) in the history of the USA.
-Airplane

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
60. I am barely above poverty level and have the ACA with
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:39 PM
Feb 2019

tax credits due to it. Last year I got $500 less back than what I had averaged for 5 straight years! I thought the first year would be better than the second year refunds. This is beyond fucked up for me.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
62. The guy who sells propane is a trumper and
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:50 PM
Feb 2019

he said his taxes went up, but so what, trump was even better than raygun. So there's that. This is Arkansas.

peggysue2

(10,830 posts)
64. For a lot of people that annual refund is really, really important
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:02 PM
Feb 2019

When my husband and I were raising our kids we counted on that refund for clearing accumulated bills or replacement/repairs of whatever noncritical item had broken during the year. From what I've been reading a lot of families are shocked with little to no refund or owing taxes for the year. The Trump Administration has put out announcements with a . . .

but, but your withholding tax was lower and looking simply at the refund gives a wrong impression.

The reason for that kind of explanation?

Because just like the Federal Shutdown, these people have no idea of how the vast majority of Americans live or that a few extra bucks in your paycheck is not the same as an accumulated lump refund at the end of tax season. For many (and we were certainly like this) that refund is like a savings account, often the only thing close to a savings account you have.

So, this is learning the hard, hard way. These guys are out of touch with workers and conning even their own supporters.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
65. Did mine a couple of weeks ago
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:37 PM
Feb 2019

I usually get a refund due to my MCC. It goes down every year, but it was roughly $1000 last year. This year, it was $377. We will all feel this pain! Maybe this will be a kick in the ass for the Trumpies, but I'm not betting the farm on it.

Blue Owl

(50,402 posts)
66. Ya mean -- Trump... LIED???
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:57 PM
Feb 2019

SHOCKING!

But then, what else would you expect from a self-centered chronic liar?

RKP5637

(67,110 posts)
68. I hope people are happy with the monster they voted into office. Damn fools!!! And they cause all
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:24 AM
Feb 2019

of us to suffer!!!

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