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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI know most of you are tuned into the Hearings but just wanted to pass on some interesting info
Just before the hearings got underway, Stephanie Rhule passed on 4 Tweets sent to Trump or the GOP. The people who sent the Tweets at up in arms over their taxes. Below is a summary:
Bh@distorion12345
Replying To: @realDonaldTrump
I just did my taxes and paid in/made the same as last year. I owe 4K more.. I voted for Trump. But will not be next election.
David Hoffman@jtDavidHoffman
Last year I got a tax refund. This year, with unchanged salary, I owe $1300.
I'm middle class
Yet the very wealthy got huge cuts
#ThanksRepublicans
Dee Nelson
@deeebeeezz
@realDonaldTrump just did my taxes and thanks for increasing mine!! No change in income and got back $400 less than last year That campaign promise was one of the only two reasons I voted for you. Retinking that decision now.
Dennis Jordan
@DennisMJordan
Replying to @GOPChairwoman and @GOP
I am a Republican voter I just did our taxes.
The @GOP tax bill cost my family THOUSANDS of dollars this year on our return due to changes, thereby hitting us with the LARGEST tax increase of our lives.
We are middle-class homeowners, and you raised our taxes.
Infuriating!
Somehow I believe there are lots more people out there who feel this way.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)They were cheerleaders.
They called it fake news.
They wouldn't hear.
Now, they get what they voted for.
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)If only the rest of us didn't also get what they voted for!
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)The analyses done by independent groups and reported on by the hated "MSM" were spot on. If you choose not to believe independent analysts and media, that's your fucking problem.
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)about the candidate who WOULD HAVE CUT THEIR TAXES ...
SunSeeker
(51,569 posts)My middle class family in California is paying a lot more in taxes this year, thanks to Trump's changes re state and local tax deductability, etc.
We didn't vote for Trump, but the dipshit racists who did really fucked us (and themselves) over.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)I'm at work.
Metro135
(359 posts)The ones that add "I voted for you" are too stupid to find their way to their own bathrooms.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Consumer spending will go down when people feel poorer
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)Dumbasses voted for an ignorant, nasty, racist sonofabitch with fewer qualifications for the presidency than the average house cat because they thought he'd lower their taxes. And now they're stuck with him. Unfortunately, so are we.
badhair77
(4,218 posts)the trumpers pain. And only the trumpers pain. I feel great sympathy for the others. I have no idea how well fare. My tax appointment is next month. Until then Im watching what I spend.
davekriss
(4,618 posts)The tax break on brackets (rates) are retired and tick back up to what they were prior to the Trump tax scam.
brush
(53,784 posts)Ryan did his dirty work and quit, now may be deplorables will vote against trump and turtleman.
rurallib
(62,420 posts)couldn't happen to a nicer group.
I vaguely remember when Reagan did something similar. I loved watching my Reagan loving managers realize they had been screwed over by their hero, Saint Ronny.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)and it's not money
magicarpet
(14,155 posts)Don't fret none,.. of us just a temperate Spring rain...
pandr32
(11,588 posts)We have yet to file our taxes, but I know it will be unpleasant as hell.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)And to think..our $1,000s and $1,500s and $4,000s are going to filth like the kook brothers or adelson or...name your unpatriotic, greedy plutocrat.
SWBTATTReg
(22,130 posts)tax cut and jobs bill that's raising taxes for millions of Americans, but not the %1ers!! This is an issue that doesn't require any paid commercials to hammer the repugs on. Peoples' pocketbooks and the empty feel of no money or less money does the trick better in any advertising for the 2020 elections.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)Need a drug that doesn't have a generic? You will pay thousands more per year (even with insurance).
Oh, and with the changes trump made, generics won't be available (just extended drug patents by 10 years and made it much easier to continue protection)
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)...prescriptions. He's still working, but his employer chose one helluva cheapo plan. The insurer wants all prescriptions to be generic, period. Several of ours aren't even in the formulary. We are old enough that we each have well-documented adverse reactions to some of the not-exactly-identical generics.
I'm very lucky my husband is patient and persistent and tries to befriend clerks at the other end of the phone line, because I would have lost my frickin mind by now.
And for now we are fortunate to be able to carry it if we have to, but it will hurt.
airplaneman
(1,239 posts)Generics have caught on and jacked up their prices massively.
Here are my personal examples time period is over five years:
My 4 cheepie generic drugs that used to be $8 for a four month supply jumped to $16 and then $32 each. Another Generic was $47 for four months jump to $188 and I simply stopped taking it.
A Brand name drug that cost $100 a month raising to $400 a month in five years goes generic and the release generic price is $380 per month - three different generics available and all the same price. (Should be $30)
-Airplane
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)I'm 60 and my wife is 59, but the only script meds either of us is on is a cholesterol drug, and our plan covers it if we get a 90 day supply of generics.
I hadn't heard formulates were gouging as well. That is criminal......
donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)Whereas in previous years people would get, say,$6k back BUT now owe $2k !! That would me cry and cry .....
There is even one tweet where the lady said she has lost lifelong friends over Spanky. Unbelievable! I'd feel sorry for her but she's just dumb.
These tweets are only gonna be increasing and they're all hilarious and kinda sad.
Traildogbob
(8,748 posts)I posted a few day's ago about myself, my daughter and 3 brothers all had to pay this year and in past years, no changes, always got refunds. I have a very small contractor doing a little deck for me now, he just finished his returns. Typically he has received $6,000 refunds with deductions for materials. This year he owes $7,000, with deductions eliminated under new tax laws. I was called a lier by a DU reader. Since being called a lier, these tax payers have been posting none stop about this scam of a tax break. I was gonna splurge and treat myself with the promised huge tax refund at the local dollar store. But, with the tariffs on China, all the dollar shit is now $4.5 dollar shit. But, I owe Dumpy Donny for golf trips, and just wait for the final bill on a wall with Russian steel beams. MAGA! Freakin Libtards.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,577 posts)who did not vote for him and my taxes went up and I didn't make all that much more than the previous year... except I knew I was gonna get fleeced.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)They worried about taxes over national security. I hope they can't afford the new toy they were planning on. Sucks to be a republican.
Brawndo
(535 posts)if this is all they suffer then they're lucky.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)The selfish are always the biggest marks. They're Suckers.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)When this particular reckoning is over...holy shit!
czarjak
(11,278 posts)The 1%ers are good! Try to look on the bright side, chumps.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)We WARNED them!
We warned and warned and warned and warned some more. Presented all kinds of proof from that bastards past record of cheating his contractors and subcontractors, already pointing to the fact that Russians were suspiciously popping out of the woodwork at the convention, and lurking behind almost every last individual around trump, up to and including his kids, his campaign, and all around his finances and business interests (just ask his son Ericabout that statement that bankloads of Russian money was flooding into their operations), and all the other stuff, too (like grab em by the pussy and the hush money paid to his backstage girls, and the anecdotes about him bathing into the dressing rooms of teenage pageant contestants WHILE they were dressing, AND MORE).
WTF??? Were they that deeply in denial that it clogged their ears, closed their eyes, and shut down their logical thinking? Did they just so desperately yearn for that wish sandwich he was serving? Thats the one from the Blues Brothers scenario - where you have two pieces of bread and you WISH you had some meat?
We warned them. We presented cogent arguments and credible convincing evidence galore. And they just werent willing to listen. They refused. They knew better. They were eager to forget about that black guy in the Oval Office who (SHOCKING!!!) wasnt the janitor and welcome a new guy who might help them forget. We warned them.
So when they dismissed our warnings and all the early truths that had already started coming out, and the nonstop lying about EVERYTHING, and are now taking it in the shorts thanks to their anointed one, should we feel sorry for them?
A better person than this reporter would probably say yes. At the moment, this reporter is having a mighty hard time finding her way there.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)and they are just waking up to how badly they've been suckered by the GOP
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)vishnura
(247 posts)They drank the KoolAid, now its time for them to die!
treestar
(82,383 posts)had Hillary been President.
gay texan
(2,453 posts)I put myself at the highest standard tax rate anyway, but once that bullshit tax bill passed, I had another 10% taken out of my check. It worked, fortunately. I got the same amount on a refund as I did last year, but it took a lot more money I could have put to better use.
So to the Trumpers that are pissed, well ain't that a bitch you poor things, LMAO!!!!!
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)I'd like to tell all of them a famous quote from Porky's Bear Facts (1941), "You buttered your bread, now sleep in it."
It's at 5:40 of the video.
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)appleannie1943
(1,303 posts)The pension my husband receives simply covers the cost of our health and drug insurance with about twenty dollars left for us. We have always counted on our refund to cover some of our property and state taxes. Hubby just tried to figure out the new tax scheme. This year instead of a refund, for the first time, as near as he can figure, we will owe about $50.
I know that does not sound like much to most people but when you live on less than $35,000 a year, one of you have just gone through 3 years of cancer treatment that you beat but have lasting permanent effects such as need oxygen to breathe, have diabetes and between the disease and chemo can barely feel your feet and require a walker, have chemo caused renal problems with weakened kidney function, you struggle just to make it through a month and sure do not have the ability to save money.
Hubby recently was given a prescription to keep his breathing not get better but hopefully maintain what he now has. Our cost after Medicare and drug insurance was almost $300 a month. We told the pharmacy to please put it back on the shelf because we don't have that kind of money.
enid602
(8,620 posts)An exec for H&R Block was on one of the shows. Theyve spent millions training their preparers in grief and anger management in anticipation of customers reactions to tax preparation this year.
ffr
(22,670 posts)They rammed it down our throats!
ooky
(8,924 posts)now and turn around and redirect that money to poor and middle class.
I'd like to see the House vote on that during the tax season and get it tabled. Next week would not be too soon.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)Looks like my refund will be $80 less than last year. And pay more to the state.
Thought I was suppose to get thousands more in tax cuts.
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)My accountant used the words, 'sticker shock,' and mentioned lots of curse-filled yelling.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)For those poor suckers who voted for the traitor and are now paying for it, I have only one thing to say, stupidity is its own reward.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The GOP targeted the big city areas in high tax states, which are almost all mainly Democratic. They capped property tax deductions and maybe sales tax deductions. Since those are high tax states, that hits those cities the hardest, raising their taxes.
That wouldn't affect my state, which has low property taxes (but other, higher taxes...those are spread out and not deductible, anyway).
The first guy I heard on a videotape...he's a lawyer in the NE. Republican.
Too bad it won't affect the Trumpers in my area, since they are pointing to the tax cuts for ordinary Americans as one of the proofs that Trump is killin' it as a great President. (But then if it them, it would hit me, too! So I'm glad about that.)
And SO GLAD I moved from the high-property tax area of Dallas.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)Rethinking?
You know what that means: "I'll forget about it soon, and play the fool for the GOP again."
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)I own a modest house in Massachusetts. I earn a modest middle income. I did not change my withholding, despite nonstop reminders from my employer, because I wanted to compare apples to apples. My salary went up a little but so did my mortgage as I refinanced and cashed a little out.
For at least the past 10 years I've gotten around $2700 back in federal.
This year? $443.
Fucking Republicans.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)will still vote for him in 2020.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)When more people are starting to file. I saw where one tax preparer said people are leaving his office in tears.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)to figure out that Trump was a cheat, a liar, and a degenerate man of low character. If Trumpsters were themselves truly decent people, they never would have voted for him. But they aren't decent people. If they were truly decent people, the Obama birther bullshit and racism and homophobia, and demonizing poor people would have turned them off years before 2015.
RoBear
(1,188 posts)And who warned them! WE DID!
No tears from here for the suckers...
OMGWTF
(3,957 posts)airplaneman
(1,239 posts)In 2019 more deductions go away and in 2026 the standard deduction goes back to what it was and you still continue to not have any deductions. Within weeks of reading the released details I estimate my taxes going up 10-20% this year and 50-60% in 2026. People keep saying it was a 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut. The real fact is its a 6 trillion dollar tax cut for the rich and a 4.5 trillion tax increase for the 99% - the 1.5 trillion is just the shortfall of the tax cut effect or what gets added to the deficit. (Keep in mind these are 10 year figures). This is the largest tax increase (for the 99%) in the history of the USA.
-Airplane
BigmanPigman
(51,608 posts)tax credits due to it. Last year I got $500 less back than what I had averaged for 5 straight years! I thought the first year would be better than the second year refunds. This is beyond fucked up for me.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)he said his taxes went up, but so what, trump was even better than raygun. So there's that. This is Arkansas.
peggysue2
(10,830 posts)When my husband and I were raising our kids we counted on that refund for clearing accumulated bills or replacement/repairs of whatever noncritical item had broken during the year. From what I've been reading a lot of families are shocked with little to no refund or owing taxes for the year. The Trump Administration has put out announcements with a . . .
but, but your withholding tax was lower and looking simply at the refund gives a wrong impression.
The reason for that kind of explanation?
Because just like the Federal Shutdown, these people have no idea of how the vast majority of Americans live or that a few extra bucks in your paycheck is not the same as an accumulated lump refund at the end of tax season. For many (and we were certainly like this) that refund is like a savings account, often the only thing close to a savings account you have.
So, this is learning the hard, hard way. These guys are out of touch with workers and conning even their own supporters.
shanti
(21,675 posts)I usually get a refund due to my MCC. It goes down every year, but it was roughly $1000 last year. This year, it was $377. We will all feel this pain! Maybe this will be a kick in the ass for the Trumpies, but I'm not betting the farm on it.
Blue Owl
(50,402 posts)SHOCKING!
But then, what else would you expect from a self-centered chronic liar?
RKP5637
(67,110 posts)of us to suffer!!!