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AMI: National Enquirer threats to Bezos were just "Good Faith Negotiations" (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2019 OP
Wow..., Pachamama Feb 2019 #1
Looks like oxygen levels are falling fast in the AMI bubble hatrack Feb 2019 #2
With what is known today, can they be closed by court injunction? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #3
Answer: no brooklynite Feb 2019 #8
What if the publication is the "weapon" in which they are committing crimes? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #9
Jesus Christ, no theboss Feb 2019 #14
I am asking a question because I don't know. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #15
I apologize. I'm a First Amendment absolutist so that kind of thing gets me excited theboss Feb 2019 #16
In other words... Stargazer09 Feb 2019 #4
'Blackmail is such an ugly word.' Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2019 #5
Now extortion is 'good faith negotiations'? spanone Feb 2019 #6
It's a good defense and may be successful theboss Feb 2019 #17
So THAT'S what Twitler meant by "people of good faith" Roland99 Feb 2019 #7
They better find a new attorney Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #10
Unfortunately, they aren't theboss Feb 2019 #18
So, we've now come to a point in time where . . . peggysue2 Feb 2019 #11
"Who knew extortion was illegal?" liberalmuse Feb 2019 #12
That's where this starts to get interesting theboss Feb 2019 #19
That's a scene from the Godfather right? California_Republic Feb 2019 #13

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
3. With what is known today, can they be closed by court injunction?
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:37 AM
Feb 2019

...at least temporarily? I have no idea - that's why I'm asking.

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
8. Answer: no
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:41 AM
Feb 2019

Legal culpability rests with the corporate entity and/or it's Officers, not the publication itself.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
9. What if the publication is the "weapon" in which they are committing crimes?
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:44 AM
Feb 2019

I know, maybe a dumb question, but, again, I really don't know so I'm asking.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
15. I am asking a question because I don't know.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:39 AM
Feb 2019

Despite my disclaimer, I still received a nasty reply. Thanks.

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
16. I apologize. I'm a First Amendment absolutist so that kind of thing gets me excited
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:45 AM
Feb 2019

Renato Mariotti has a predicted this defense yesterday:

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti

Scroll down a bit as I can't see to link the specific thread.

Here is the basic idea. Extortion is really hard to prove, particularly in a contractual setting.

I explained it yesterday like this. You have been running a blog for a year where you are openly criticizing my business practices to the point that it is hurting me. One day, I wake up and in my email is a copy of an HR investigation from one of your past jobs that shows you were accused of sexual harassment. I did nothing illegal in getting it, but I have it.

I email you and say, I have this document and I'm thinking about starting my own blog and publishing it. Instead of that, why don't I agree to delete the document if you agree to delete your blog after issuing a retraction.

Am I blackmailing you....or am I negotiating to a mutually beneficial conclusion? I would argue the latter, and I think the courts would tend to agree.

Where this gets interesting is two places:

1. What does Ronan Farow and others have of their own discussions with AMI? In other words, is this a tactic to kill all criticism.
2. Did anyone in Trump World ask them to do this or know they were doing this?

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
4. In other words...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:37 AM
Feb 2019

“We did not expect Bezos to publish our extortion threats. Please stand by while we figure out how to salvage this situation.”

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
17. It's a good defense and may be successful
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:46 AM
Feb 2019

Here is the basic idea. Extortion is really hard to prove, particularly in a contractual setting.

I explained it yesterday like this. You have been running a blog for a year where you are openly criticizing my business practices to the point that it is hurting me. One day, I wake up and in my email is a copy of an HR investigation from one of your past jobs that shows you were accused of sexual harassment. I did nothing illegal in getting it, but I have it.

I email you and say, I have this document and I'm thinking about starting my own blog and publishing it. Instead of that, why don't I agree to delete the document if you agree to delete your blog after issuing a retraction.

Am I blackmailing you....or am I negotiating to a mutually beneficial conclusion? I would argue the latter, and I think the courts would tend to agree.

Where this gets interesting is two places:

1. What does Ronan Farow and others have of their own discussions with AMI? In other words, is this a tactic to kill all criticism.
2. Did anyone in Trump World ask them to do this or know they were doing this?

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
18. Unfortunately, they aren't
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:47 AM
Feb 2019

I'm just cutting and pasting this example, because I think it's helpful.

Here is the basic idea. Extortion is really hard to prove, particularly in a contractual setting.

I explained it yesterday like this. You have been running a blog for a year where you are openly criticizing my business practices to the point that it is hurting me. One day, I wake up and in my email is a copy of an HR investigation from one of your past jobs that shows you were accused of sexual harassment. I did nothing illegal in getting it, but I have it.

I email you and say, I have this document and I'm thinking about starting my own blog and publishing it. Instead of that, why don't I agree to delete the document if you agree to delete your blog after issuing a retraction.

Am I blackmailing you....or am I negotiating to a mutually beneficial conclusion? I would argue the latter, and I think the courts would tend to agree.

Where this gets interesting is two places:

1. What does Ronan Farow and others have of their own discussions with AMI? In other words, is this a tactic to kill all criticism.
2. Did anyone in Trump World ask them to do this or know they were doing this?

peggysue2

(10,830 posts)
11. So, we've now come to a point in time where . . .
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:53 AM
Feb 2019

extortion = good faith negotiations.

Good to know. Isn't the Age of Trump fun????

Shut these people down, tout suite.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
12. "Who knew extortion was illegal?"
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:20 AM
Feb 2019

I would love to see a lot of the people AMI extorted in this manner start to speak out.

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
19. That's where this starts to get interesting
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:48 AM
Feb 2019

Is exactly what is the pattern here?

(I mean, this is interesting from a pure "how sleazy" idea right now. But it probably doesn't reach to criminality quite yet).

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