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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeth Abramson - CBS interview w/Richard Burr (R) should decimate any lingering doubt about Mueller
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1/ Here's the link to the CBS interview. Skeptics reading this threadwho will be stunned by what they readshould understand that the interviewee, Republican Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina, was on TRUMP'S NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM as of October 2016. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/richard-burr-on-senate-intelligence-committees-russia-investigation-2-years-on/
2/ CBS notes that the Senate Intel Committee is entering its third year of a bipartisan Russia probe *despite* intense pressureparticularly from Burr's fellow Republicansto wrap up its work. That alone is telling: that the Senate majority on the Committee is resisting stopping.
3/ QUOTE #1: "[Burr] acknowledges now that the investigation is broader, and perhaps more consequential, than it has long been thought to be." So America doesn't realize how much troubling material the Senate has foundor how far-flung and important to our future the material is.
4/ QUOTE #2: "What [has]...extended the life of the [Senate] investigation...is a better understanding of...how coordinated and organized the effort was." So it was the "coordination" and "organization" of what Russia diduh, coordinating with *whom*?that has shocked the Senate.
5/ And "shock" isn't too strong a word, as Burr says "none of us"meaning *even the Democrats on the Senate Intel Committee who hate Trump the most*"ever anticipated that this [investigation] would be two years." Burr made this comment to CBS, CBS says, "solemnly." That's eerie.
6/ QUOTE #3 (CBS): "The [probe] isn't compiling the story of one pivotal election, but of something larger, more complicated andfrom a counterintelligence perspectivemore nefarious. The final report may be so highly classified that a meaningful portion may not be made public."
7/ As that CBS summary of what Burr said attests, most Americansbut not people who read this feed, I'm happy to saythink Mueller is only discovering info about what happened in "one election." Burr, Trump-Russia analysts, and readers of feeds like this know it's *beyond* that.
8/ According to CBS, per Burr the "story" Trump-Russia investigators are seeing is "larger, more complicated, and more nefarious" than the story of the 2016 election. On this feed, the shorthand we use to describe what the Republican Burr is telling CBS/us is "the grand bargain."
triron
(22,012 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)It is incompatible with our Representative form of government. How can we make informed decisions about our leadership?
Maybe we can get a maverick on the Intel committee at some point who feels they have nothing to lose by revealing everything.
Zorro
(15,749 posts)Those methods should not be compromised.
CabalPowered
(12,690 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)it for months.
genxlib
(5,530 posts)There is one line there that scares me.
"The final report may be so highly classified that a meaningful portion may not be made public"
That worries me because it will leave the insinuation of seriousness without the actual details. I am so hoping that we get enough details to either convince Trump supporters or shame them into silence as an insignificant minority. If we end up with a bunch of details classified, we will never hear the end of how the deep state railroaded Trump. It will be a continuation of the slow-rolling cold civil war we have brewing.
I have a personal conspiracy theory that something like this was used to Republican advantage in Benghazi. It just sounds to me like the CIA was up to something there and I think the real story was too classified to share. So the Republicans were free to spin it how they wanted it to appear while knowing that Hillary et al were unable to really respond with the facts
Roland99
(53,342 posts)D_Master81
(1,822 posts)That the ambassador that was killed in Benghazi was actually helping to get weapons to resistance groups and that they were killed when the opposition found out. Hence why we couldnt go in and save them cause we were already working against the Libyan government.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)I think it was a CIA fubar and agree with you that Obama administration officials couldn't tell the real story because it was classified. Republicans knew that and used it against them.
If Burr is now taking all this seriously, that's a critical beach head established towards prying loose other Republican congress members from the Trump machina.
I doubt any of the collaborators, tiny cogs in the agenda, even big ones, fully realized, or possibly even believed the full extent of Russian involvement as well as lateral efforts by other international bad actors.
It's really no surprise they are so silent.
Ywt this thing cannot be beaten back and broken without Republicans.
That ten year investigation period is pretty daunting, though.
We don't have two years, much less a full decade.
smb
(3,474 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)or will they just hope they will be voted out of office? This national security secrecy BS has got to stop! We know our government is crooked. Let us know how crooked so we can fix it. Quit hiding it from us.
BigmanPigman
(51,624 posts)The UAE, the Saudis, etc and basically all the richest world leaders and countries and their finances and how they are connected to one another.
ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)(who are the only ones who can stand in their way) saying come join us, you can be the oligarchs there, we'll be them here.
Unfortunately even if that happens, then they will just start going after each other till only one is left (or no one...BOOM!)
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)is no proof that Trump colluded wth Russia to win the election. So, Trumps campaign did the colluding but Trump himself is innocent
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Burr made that statement very early in the investigation. The Committee gathered a lot of facts since then.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)He said that based on the Senate committees findings, he couldnt conclude that Trump, nor that Trumps campaign colluded with Russia.
Burr obviously doesnt want to implicate Trump because he is a Repuke.
Same ol, same ol Repuke bullshit
Texin
(2,597 posts)etc. It is simply not credible that Jr. was operating rogue on this. If Jr. knew about them dangling juicy info about Clinton, you can damn well bet that Sr. knew about it too, and was probably on speaker with the meeting participants. To argue against his knowledge and approval is simply not credible.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Burr wont go there because, as a Repuke, he must protect his own
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)when he says it is broader and more consequential could it be that Russia has been involved with our elections from before 2016 but not that Trump and his gang were involved?
The reason I say that is I' still a little shocked about the June Trump tower meeting with Jr. That was quite late in the election cycle, if they'd been in this since 2015 or so, you'd think they would have had a channel to pass "dirt on Hillary" more easily.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)There is a lot to be said about how stupid the president, his family, and the people he surrounds himself with are. Russia is pretty good at infiltrating and using dirty tricks on people. They have practice from the cold war. Two things are going on. Russia is trying to get preferential policies (I.E. eliminating sanctions, backing out of Syria, etc...) and they are also just trying to disrupt democracies aaround the world to secure other advantages. They saw Trump as an easy target, probably understand how stupid he is and tried to mitigate some of it, but he is just too stupid. They probably left it at sowing chaos after awhile.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)Is forcing ratfcked Democrats to resign, right? After all, what this country really needs is a permanent pubican majority. That way, every one of the traitors if off the hook. But hey, look at the bright side, the Democratic Party will have rid ourselves of any man who ever had an allegation made against him so there's that. We'll have such high moral standing by then a permanent pubican totalitarian state will be worth it all!
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Investigate, indict, try, convict, and then LOCK THEM UP
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)he knows Trump is watching every word he speaks. My fear is we will hear very little and it will be locked up like JFK files for 50 years, and then still be suppressed. The fate of our Democracy is at stake.
emulatorloo
(44,173 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)I fear for our country.
4TheArts
(75 posts)Have found him to be rather despicable since I moved to NC some years ago. Sort of encouraging that he seems to be resisting some pressure to call things to an end. What he relates in the interview is certainly disturbing, and I want to know more, to know the whole truth. But it's Burr. I have trust/integrity issues with my Senator.
renate
(13,776 posts)Compared to Nunez, anyway, but also he must have been pressured by McConnell to ease up on the Senates investigation, and he didnt. He and Warner seem to be working well together.
Im not disagreeing, since youre more familiar with him than I am, just surprised.
4TheArts
(75 posts)I know I got off to a bad start with Burr when I first moved here and wrote a letter to him inquiring about W's likelihood of being a war criminal. Burr responded that he saw no evidence of that, and declared W was doing a great job. So, kinda soured me early on. I'll admit he is better than Meadows.
C_U_L8R
(45,018 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)"The [probe] isn't compiling the story of one pivotal election, but of something larger, more complicated andfrom a counterintelligence perspectivemore nefarious. The final report may be so highly classified that a meaningful portion may not be made public."
Maybe it would be better for some particular reasons that the public doesn't know, but if it's just not to embarrass some of the evildoers or any other lame reason, I object. Far all the good that will do.
mucifer
(23,559 posts)I'm confused. Maybe it's the useful idiot theory. I don't get it.