Why in the f**k is Bernie Sanders delivering a competing response to SOTU?

[Recursion]

What on God's green earth does he think he will add to this conversation that Stacey Abrams is going to miss?

[msongs]

1. it is written here he will be on after abrams is finished nt

[Recursion]

2. Whatever she says isn't real until a white male repeats it? (nt)

[smirkymonkey]

26. That's exactly the impression I am getting from this.

It just pisses me right the hell off. I am so sick of Bernie and his fucking ego I could scream.

[David__77]

30. I saw no one say that.

I don’t think Sanders eligibility to speak is invalidated by whatever group identity someone might assign to him.

Lots of people might want him to sit still due to his politics.

[redgreenandblue]

59. Moving goalposts much?

You, falsely, claimed that his speech was "competing".

Since that was proven to be false, we're now down to "but muh white male", injecting race into the discussion out of nowhere.

Some people are just pissed when Bernie speaks, period....

[Recursion]

60. This would be hilarious if it weren't so sad

Three years later and still completely tone deaf about this

[Voltaire2]

62. Unintentional irony much?

[Recursion]

65. I'm seeing a lot of it today, yes

Do you really not understand he has zero chance in SC now? Really?

[Recursion]

66. This is the same thing as last time: it doesn't matter if you agree with others' reactions

If you can't even acknowledge multiple people's reactions, in this and several other threads, are actually happening... well, like I said: as absolutely tone deaf as last time around.

[TCJ70]

67. The reactions have been acknowledged...and debunked...

First it was: Oh my god he’s going to speak at the same time as her! (Which he isn’t)
Then it was: BUT UNITY!!! (Suggesting that his response, which won’t be televised, isn’t concurrent with, and you have to actively go looking for, will somehow detract from the official Democratic response.)
Now it’s: Why does he feel the need to talk after Stacy Abrams in particular? Perhaps, sexist-racist!(Well this is the third time he’s done it so it’s probably not her.)

With the goalposts always moving it gets harder and harder to take the negative reactions seriously...once you boil them down it’s really just about hating on Bernie for whatever reason du jour.

[redgreenandblue]

69. Exactly. He uploaded a video to Youtube an hour later. The horrors. nt

[TCJ70]

70. He hasn't done anything yet...

...this one is tonight. As usual, after the official response, untelevised, on his own social media channels.

[Autumn]

98. He will be reaching people on social media that a rebuttal on TV won't reach. Bad Bernie!

[George II]

160. Who has access to "social media" but no access to all the network television sites? It's called...

....live streaming media, like this:

https://www.nbc.com/live

or this:

https://www.c-span.org/networks/

If one has access to Facebook or youtube one has access to NBC or C-Span live programming, including Stacey Abrams' rebuttal.

Solves that problem, doesn't it?

[Autumn]

163. I have access to TV but won't watch it. I don't like the setting or the commentary

by the talking heads. I prefer not to watch NBC or C-Span live programming or any other network television sites. Watching it on the internet is fine by me and that takes care of that problem, doesn't it?

[George II]

166. But you were talking about people who don't have access to Abrams' speech....

...choosing NOT to watch it is another thing. So it's your choice, not that you (or anyone else) don't have access.

You're admitting that anyone with access to social media also has access to network television and C-Span, correct?

BTW, if you watch her speech on C-Span you won't have to deal with "the setting" or "talking heads".

[Autumn]

170. And many people are like me. There are groups on FB where people like to watch on line

and have an actual discussion or people who like to watch on their phones or other devices.

[George II]

171. So it's not a question of lack of access, it's a question of choice. BTW, Stacey Abrams' address....

....will be streamed live on Facebook, too.

I'm sure if he wanted to, Sanders could stream her's live on his Facebook page or youtube channel.

That solves all the problems and dismisses all the reasons why it's so important that Sanders hold his post-rebuttal address, right?

[Autumn]

172. Where did you get the idea it was a lack of access? It is a choice that I prefer to make

along with many, many others. Internet and cell phone are portable, cable, satellite and flat screen TV's aren't, unless you have a plan you can watch live TV on your cell phone and that is ridiculously high depending on who your carrier is. Many people have chosen to cut the TV cord and I prefer FB feeds and groups with like minded people .
I watch and follow Bernie on line because I love hearing what he has to say.

[George II]

174. You.....

"He will be reaching people on social media that a rebuttal on TV won't reach."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11775457

The links I gave you are free on the internet. If someone is accessing Facebook or youtube on their phones, they have access to both NBC and C-Span, too.

[Autumn]

175. If people don't watch at home on their TV her televised speech may not reach them.

Unless of course they use your links that you gave me. Bye George

[George II]

177. You said that there are people who can't see Abrams' address on television, but can...

...see Sanders' address on their phones or other devices, as a reason for him giving his ad hoc address. Anyone who has access to Facebook or youtube has access to C-Span or NBC or any other outlet who will be streaming Abrams' address live.

I indicated how they CAN see Abrams' address on their phones or other devices. Since it seemed like such a difficult thing to do, I'm just trying to help you out.

[Autumn]

180. Please George, I don't need your help, nor do I want it. I'm content with how I do things.

I said

He will be reaching people people on social media that a rebuttal on TV won't reach. Bad Bernie!

I didn't say can't.

If you want to let people know how they CAN see Abrams live address on their phones or other devices tell them not me, I'm not interested in the tiniest amount. I already know how to watch the SOTU and her rebuttal should I ever decide to do so. Without your links and badgering.

[George II]

183. Sorry, but that highlighted statement isn't correct. Anyone who is reached on social media...

....also can be reached on live television in the same manner. Now, if the choose NOT to do so, that's another whole thing. Is that what you meant?

[Gothmog]

200. I am looking forward to Rachel Maddow's coverage of the SOTU and Abram's response

I like the real world and I like MSNBC's coverage of events.

[sheshe2]

201. Yep.

[applegrove]

3. He is going to lose support by being so selfish. Either you are running

as a Democrat or not.

[sarcasmo]

46. +1

[CentralMass]

4. I welcome hearing his response.

[David__77]

31. Me too. He's made tremendous, positive contributions.

...

[at140]

76. Hear hear!

Bernie injected lot of energy into young voters who otherwise had no interest in voting.

[hlthe2b]

5. He's done it the past three years or so. It is only streamed, not covered by MSM, so not to worry

Only his most ardent supporters will see it.

[elleng]

6. He's NOT delivering a 'competing' response,

responding AFTER Stacy, and in a different forum.

[Cha]

14. Even ON hs own Tweet page BS is getting a LOT

of Negative Pushback. They Don't Care What Time he's doing it. They're NOT happy.

[elleng]

16. Tough.

[Cha]

22. Yeah, "Tough" for BS

[Hassin Bin Sober]

21. Ooooooh. Negative pushback on twitter!

[Cha]

23. Yeah, just like BS is on twitter to announce.

[Apollyonus]

81. If he considers himself a Democrat

he IS delivering a "competing" response because the "opposition" is delivering a unified response already.

He is doing a publicity stunt.

[Autumn]

7. Competing? No, after. He will add a lot to the discussion, as he has for the last 3.

Her's will be on TV, Bernie is live streamed on the Internet.

Link to tweet

[elleng]

17. Thanks, Autumn.

[Blue_playwright]

51. I don't have a problem with this ...

He is respectful of the official response then takes time to address his flock. 🤷🏻?♀️ Completely appropriate and hell, it’s be nice if all Congress critters did something similar so we could understand their positions better.

[MyOwnPeace]

132. GREAT reply.............

I agree - I'd love to hear from my own Senator and what he has to say about tonight's clown show.
(I didn't mention my other one - it's Toomey and his head is so far up his ASS that he won't even be able to hear IQ45 spew his lies!)

And by the way, WELCOME, Blue!!!!

[Blue_playwright]

167. Thanks! I've lurked since the board was founded

But the Orange Menace was the breaking point for my silent mode! 🍊🍊🍊

[PJMcK]

77. Good point!

Thanks for a clear-eyed response, Autumn.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

8. Lol. Because he's not.

Next

[elleng]

18. Thanks.

[David__77]

28. Thank you.

Some would prefer that Sanders be quiet and Ocasio-Cortez “sit still.”

[QC]

32. Especially those who have a lot to lose from their tax proposals. n/t

[David__77]

35. This could be an enjoyable primary season.

Not just a season of progress politically, preparing to defeat Trump- also enjoyable in bringing real policy discussion into focus.

[QC]

39. There might even be some worthwhile discussion of issues here,

if we can dream a truly bold dream.

[David__77]

40. It's interesting how much attention Sanders get from his opponents.

He’s a popular person.

[QC]

41. Did you ever read Great Expectations?

There's a definite Miss Havisham thing going on here.

[MuseRider]

44. OMG

That is pretty damned funny.

[Devil Child]

113. Chuckled at this, thanks

[Apollyonus]

83. It is still an unnecessary publicity stunt nt

[SidDithers]

9. Must be more of that Democratic Outreach that he's responsible for...nt

Sid

[sheshe2]

206. Symone Sanders

His former press secretary was furious on CNN. Watched the segment, she didn't hold back.

[enough]

10. What's to be afraid of? Bernie talking? Should be interesting. NT

[demmiblue]

11. Oh calm down... he isn't. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

12. Because he has to make this all about him

He's actually been pretty consistent on that.

At least this will officially kill any delusion that he's running as a Dem or plans to help us one iota next year....

[Apollyonus]

86. Essentially saying

"all those Democrats are incapable of responding to Trump. Only I can properly respond."

Only I can fix it ..... where have I heard that before?

[QC]

13. BECAUSE HE"S A MEANIE!1!!11!!!!

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

15. Ego. n/t

[jalan48]

19. I identify with Bernie so I will be watching.

[Me.]

20. His Moment In The Sun

not that it would be missed

[tonedevil]

24. What is wrong...

with a siting US Senator talking about donald's speech, on Facebook, after the official Democratic rebuttal?

[Autumn]

27. Because that siting US Senator talking about Donald's speech, on Facebook,

after the official Democratic rebuttal is Bernie Sanders.

[George II]

154. Of the 234 sitting Democratic Representatives and 47 sitting Democratic Senators....

....only one has felt the need to do so.

I wonder why that is?

Stacey Abrams has been chosen by the Democratic Leader in the House and the Democratic Leader in the Senate to give the formal rebuttal. Every Democrat in the Congress agrees that she is the one to do it, except for one. Even those in the House and Senate who are announced candidates for President next year feel Abrams is the right one.

[Autumn]

158. Because he wants to? Bernie feels Abrams is the right one to give the official rebuttel on TV too.

He's looking forward to watching and listening to her response. Bernie's is not the official one, his is AFTER hers and on social media. Harris is doing a pre- buttel. If only one is allowed that's a big honking mistake. Not everyone watches TV and last year there were 5, count em 5 whole rebuttals and the world didn't end. What a shocker.

[whopis01]

179. He's not the only one. Kamala Harris is as well.

She is giving hers ahead of time - but same concept.

[Persondem]

25. Hhhmmmm ... sounds like a multiple choice question ...

A.) He's not a Democrat and so feels that independents need to have a say.
B.) He's been riding the ego train since 2015 and can't get off.
C.) He wants to communicate with his ardent followers and feed them some rah-rah red meat.
D.) All of the above.

[shanny]

29. because he isn't

[David__77]

34. Sander is very popular among Democrats in the broader society.

...

[shanny]

36. yep

I don't understand why some get all het up about an ally

[David__77]

38. It's a strong purism in some cases.

It strikes me as quite ultra-left, which is interesting to me given the way the discusssion can unfold.

[LexVegas]

33. Craves attention. Fears irrelevance. nt

[TCJ70]

37. Who says it's a competition? You? N/t

[Voltaire2]

42. Why are you attacking one the leaders

of the Senate Democratic Caucus?

[PADemD]

43. Sanders and Schumer Announce Plan to Put Workers over Corporate Shareholders

Bernie caucuses with the Senate Democrats.

https://m.

[MuseRider]

45. I did not realize we elected our officials

to keep their mouths shut?

He is doing his job, y'all just don't like him.

The Dems seem to like him just fine and he them. He has differences with them and they him but he was hired (elected) to do a job and he is doing it. I would kill for a Rep with any tiny bit of liberal in them and to have them open their mouths and do their damned jobs.

[garybeck]

47. give me a break

calm down
everyone has something to say
there are other things to get upset about my friend.

[Empowerer]

48. Charles Pierce put it nicely

Link to tweet

[Cha]

50. Thank You, Charlie Pierce!!

Thanks, Empowerer

[scheming daemons]

105. THIS!

[R B Garr]

126. Perfect!

[smirkymonkey]

209. +1000

[JCanete]

49. why the fuck are you using the word competing? According to what is it competing?

Make a case. Otherwise, I'm not buying what you're selling, and those who would are also selling...so...what's the point of peddling this?

[vsrazdem]

52. He's doing the same thing this year, that He, Maxine Waters and Donna Edwards did last year.

[Maru Kitteh]

53. Because, ya know?

As you already pointed out "f**k(ing) . .Bernie Sanders."

[Scurrilous]

54. ...

[quickesst]

55. Representing...

...the Chameleon Party.

[democratisphere]

56. SELF.

What it is always about with BS!

[TrollBuster9090]

57. Perhaps Because The Networks Want To Atone For Their Sin Of Giving TWO F--king SOTU Rebuttals

...to the Republicans for all eight years of the Obama Administration?

That bullshit used to make steam come out of my ears. How Obama used to give a SOTU, and then the Republicans would get a rebuttal (Bobby Jindal, or some other useless asshat 'mainstream' Republican), and then they would get a second "TEA PARTY REPUBLICAN" rebuttal, and send out Michelle Bachmann or Rand Paul, or some other bug-eyed, hair-brained mental case. No matter which way you sliced it, for eight years, Obama's SOTU addresses were followed by TWO Republican rebuttals.

As long as the two rebuttals to Trump are not run simultaneously, I think it's a great idea.

Whenever a Republican is President, we get a Democratic Party rebuttal, and then we get a SOCIALIST-Democratic rebuttal.

[RandySF]

58. What is it about Stacey Abrams that makes her response insufficient in his eyes?

[TCJ70]

64. Probably nothing since this isn't the first time he's done it. N/t

[R B Garr]

109. She's a Democrat...? And we've seen how much he thinks

they need his Splainin. Millionaires and billionaires! But not so much millionaires anymore...

[whopis01]

181. Ask Kamala Harris.

She’ll be airing her counter to Trump tonight as well.

[RandiFan1290]

61. SANDERS!!!

[ucrdem]

63. On Facebook, where everybody knows your profile

and anti-Dem messages are custom made just for you. He shouldn't be driving traffic into that dungpile.

[Autumn]

107. There's dung piles and then there's dung piles.

Many of us prefer FB to any other place to gather and talk.

[DFW]

68. Maybe because it's not 1993, and Walter Matthau and Jack Lemon are no longer available?

No other logical reason springs to mind........

[scheming daemons]

71. He has to mansplain for Stacey after her address, dontcha know

Egotist.

[TCJ70]

74. And last year I suppose he was mansplaning to Joe Kennedy?

This is the third time Bernie's done this.

[Autumn]

79. Or was Joe Kennedy mansplaining to Maxine Waters? She gave one last year too.

[TCJ70]

80. Since Maxines was not the official one, was she womansplaining to Joe Kennedy? n/t

[Autumn]

84. OMG. They were both othersplaining to the other 3 (including Bernie) that did a response!

[TCJ70]

85. SO MUCH SPLAINING! n/t

[Autumn]

88. Damn, now I'm all splained out. nt

[Apollyonus]

89. Only Bernie can properly respond don't ya know?

Nothing but a publicity stunt .. weakening a unified opposition message.

[mountain grammy]

72. No, the question should be

Why aren't more of our elected representatives calling out his lies and slander? He will call us dangerous, he will say we're aiding and abetting murder and rape. He will say we're in favor of human trafficking, while the media grovels and his approval goes up a few notches. Time for all good Dems and Independents to speak up and speak out.

"Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'."

[ehrnst]

73. They are. Daily. They just aren't all on twitter 24/7.

They are actually working to resist him by doing their job as legislators, especially the ones you don't hear from.

If everyone is screaming, no one is heard.

Communication is coordinated, for the most part, among Dems so that the message is the most effective.

[Gothmog]

75. Why upstage Stacy Abrams?

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Autumn]

82. How does he upstage her since she is giving hers first on TV and he is giving his on

the internet after she gives hers?

[Gothmog]

91. It is really not complicated

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

92. Here's what not complicated Words have meanings. Maybe people should realize

that other people do give separate responses to the SOTU.d I can understand if this is a person or a twitter trolls first SOTU but this is not a first, it is nothing new.

The tweets from tweeters of Twitter that people who don't like Bernie follow: But we hate Bernie!!!!!

up·stageDictionary result for upstage
/ˌəpˈstāj/Submit
verb
1.
divert attention from (someone) towards oneself.
"they were totally upstaged by their co-star in the film"
2.
(of an actor) move towards the back of a stage to make (another actor) face away from the audience.
"when he tried to upstage her she sauntered down to the front of the stage"
adverb
1.
at or towards the back of a theater stage.
"Hamlet turns to face upstage"
adjective
1.
situated or occurring at the back of a theater stage.
"an upstage exit"
2.
INFORMAL•DATED
superior; aloof.
"this upstage reserve is rather ridiculous"

[Recursion]

93. The inability to see the tone-deafness is part of the tone-deafness

Even if he thinks people are wrong to feel this way it would do him a world of good to acknowledge that they do

[Autumn]

94. He supports her, he endorsed her run, he is looking forward to hearing what she says,

he likes and respects her. What the fuck is he supposed to do? Don a hair shirt for being a Democratic ally and a vocal US Senator who constantly speaks to our values?

Fuck that shit. With all due respect, No one has to shut up and sit the fuck down. We are Democrats if everyone doesn't have the right for their voice to be heard we are no better than the Pukes.

[Recursion]

95. Picking the mic up after a mic drop is a bad idea

But, hey. If he wants to further alienate southern AA women, that's his business

[Autumn]

96. If a response to a cluster fuck like Trumps SOTU will be, delivered AFTER and on another venue

than Abrams response will be "alienating southern AA women" then as a POC myself, I think the Democratic party is in trouble.

[redgreenandblue]

117. Just for fun, I took a look at his twitter page. I see a lot of angry respones from white people.

Something tells me that southern black women give way less of a fuck than a certain segment of white liberals.

[Recursion]

127. I look at my own Twitter feed and see a lot of pissed off Southern black women (nt)

[Gothmog]

192. Why Bernie Sanders isn't helping his 2020 prospects with his own SOTU response

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

130. It is true that no cable or TV station will carry sanders stunt

No one but hard core sanders supporters will take the time to go facebook or youtube for this stunt. This is from a sanders supporter

Link to tweet

I am amused that sanders thinks that he does not need African American voter support to run in 2020. There are a ton of African American voters still mad at Congressman John Lewis being booed at the national convention by sanders supporters. See https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11741478 This stunt will not help sanders and will only been seen by his hard core supporters

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

I will be watching Stacy Abrams' official Democratic response and will be ignoring sanders.

[Autumn]

135. Feel free to do so. I don't watch TV so I will be watching Bernie Sanders on line.

[Gothmog]

144. Have fun-I will be watching the official Democratic Response

I am member of the Democratic Party and will be watching the official response.

It will be interesting to see how much backlash sanders generates with this stunt. There are some really unhappy hard core democratic voters who have long memories and do not forget or forgive

[Autumn]

147. Have fun-I will be watching the on line response. I too am a member of the Democratic Party

and I don't hold grudges against people who have done nothing wrong. Hate and bitterness eat at the soul. I as a POC, appreciate my allies. Or any ally for that matter. YMOV Have an enjoyable SOTU.

[Gothmog]

150. There are a ton of voters mad about the John Lewis stunt at the National Convention

It will be interesting to see if this stunt has a similar effect.

Time will tell

[AncientGeezer]

184. "It is true that no cable or TV station will carry sanders stunt"

You have a source for that claim? Your tweets don't support it.
Do you know if he asked a network to carry it... the tweets don't address that?

Can you source your claim..."It is true that no cable or TV station will carry sanders stunt."

[Gothmog]

187. This stunt will only be on youtube, twitter and facebook

This stunt is a stunt that will not be covered by TV or cable https://politicalwire.com/2019/02/04/sanders-will-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/

“His response will follow Trump’s speech and be streamed on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter…. at the same time that former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams delivers the official Democratic Party response.”

[R B Garr]

124. Thanks, Gothmog. Most people get it and won't be browbeaten

into denying the obvious anymore. You see this reality everywhere now.

[Gothmog]

197. I like living in the real world

It is also a waste of time to try to browbeat a lawyer

[David__77]

106. Tempest in an anti-Sanders teapot.

...

[Autumn]

108. Any day that ends in a y.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

146. Yep.

[Gothmog]

190. Why Bernie Sanders isn't helping his 2020 prospects with his own SOTU response

Ths stunt by sanders will backfire https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/politics/bernie-sanders-state-of-the-union/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-05T20%3A17%3A04

All of which brings me to this: Within a not-insignificant chunk of the Democratic Party, there is some leftover ill will toward Sanders for his role in the 2016 campaign and lingering doubts as to the firmness of his commitment to the Democratic Party.

Given that, why, why, why would you choose to deliver your OWN SOTU response? Why not just let Abrams handle it? Why put yourself out as special and different from the party you want to lead in 2020 -- especially when you know people in that party already have doubts about how firmly committed you are to it?....

What Sanders is doing by giving his very own SOTU response is sending a very clear sign that he's different than the rest of the Democrats running for office. I'm in my own party and I'll give my own State of the Union response!.....
.
Democratic voters in 2020 will have candidates who not only represent their own liberal views but also have aligned themselves with the Democratic Party their entire lives. And that may leave Sanders on the outside looking in.

sanders' stunt will end up hurting him if he runs

[Apollyonus]

78. He is taking advantage of the attention to SOTU

to have a campaign speech. Promoting his pie-in-the-sky ideas which have zero chance of becoming law. He will attack the Democrats as not doing enough socialist things and ...

while he gets his ego massaged and his "look at me" desire fulfilled ....

he will dilute the opposition message, demonize Democrats and HELP TRUMP.

As Yogi Berra once said ... "It is de ja vu all over again..."

[PubliusEnigma]

87. Because he is in opposition to the Democratic Party. He is Trump's Ally now.

[hauweg]

148. Really?

[G_j]

90. More push back on Trump's lies?

Oh nooo!!!

By the way, there is an edit function, in case you missed it.
It comes in handy when one wants to correct a misleading subject line.

[disillusioned73]

97. Calm down..

no different than any other previous year under the trumptster, I know the internet loves to propagate false outrage.. ppl love their outrage I guess..

[Trumpocalypse]

99. Remember

Sanders is not a Democrat. He is a party of one.

[honest.abe]

100. I am sick of Sanders.

He is not on our side. His main goal is to tear down the Democratic party and rebuild a new party in his image. The man is dangerous and is likely to help Trump get reelected.

[Autumn]

111. Tell that to Sen. Schumer. He and Bernie are introducing THEIR bill

that will prohibit corporations from buying back its own stock unless it invests in workers and communities first, including things like paying all workers at least $15 an hour, providing seven days of paid sick leave, and offering decent pensions and more reliable health benefits.

You really think that tearing down the Democratic party?

If working on addressing the needs of workers before the interests of wealthy stockholders is dangerous and tearing down the party I say burn the damn thing down.

[honest.abe]

112. He plays with us when its to his benefit.

I dont trust him.

[Autumn]

114. Well Sen. Schumer trusts him and Chuck is not an idiot being taken advantage of. nt

[honest.abe]

116. How do you know Schumer trusts him?

Just because they both agree on some particular piece of legislation doesn't mean he trusts him on other matters.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

118. He made Sanders part of The Senate Democratic Leadership.

[honest.abe]

120. He probably regrets that.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

121. Yeah, that's why they are sponsoring a bill together.

[Autumn]

122. How do you know Schumer regrets that?

[honest.abe]

125. Do you understand the word "probably".

[Autumn]

129. I understand the word probably. Do you understand the words "Democratic ally"?

Bernie's Independent/Socialist vision aligns with the Democratic parties vision. The acceptance of him by the Democratic leadership proves that. Do you have a problem with Democratic values?

[honest.abe]

131. He is our ally when its to his benefit.

He would drop us like a hot potato if he could get what we wanted without us.

[Autumn]

134. Tell that to the Democratic leadership.

[honest.abe]

136. I think they are aware if it.

Its painfully obvious at times.

[Autumn]

138. If they were that worried they could get rid of him any time they wanted.

But hey, keep the hope alive.

[honest.abe]

139. Well as a practical matter we need his votes.

Which usually go our way unless its about Russian sanctions or gun control.

[TCJ70]

141. So the Dems are Bernie's allys when it benefits them? Is that what you're saying? n/t

[honest.abe]

142. Ask them.

[Autumn]

143. Well that beats the shit out of others who votes with Pukes to stack the courts, vote for

unending wars and tax breaks for the wealthy at the expense of the poor. So I'll take his votes with Dems any day of the week.

[G_j]

165. call it empty

speculation which supports your bias.

[Autumn]

119. Schumer is an honorable man, as is Bernie. Schumer wouldn't work WITH him on a bill

that benefits the American people. If Sanders were a Trump plant why would the Dems trust him enough to seat him on these committees?

Committee on the Budget (Ranking Member)
Committee on Environment and Public Works. Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety. ...
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. Subcommittee on Energy. ...
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. ...
Committee on Veterans' Affairs (former Chair)

Do you think the Dems are fools?

[honest.abe]

123. Good grief.. Sanders is not a Trump plant.

Sanders wants to defeat both the Republican and Democratic parties and rebuild a new party based on his Independent/Socialist vision.

That might actually sound good to some people but that is a dangerous mission and is likely to benefit the Republicans.

[Autumn]

133. You seem to think he is.

He is not on our side. His main goal is to tear down the Democratic party and rebuild a new party in his image. The man is dangerous and is likely to help Trump get reelected.

That's what Republican plants, or moles do.

[honest.abe]

137. Not at all.

You are confused. Please reread my posts.

[vlyons]

101. Because he's selfish and disrespectful

nt

[stopbush]

102. I don't get Cartoon Central anymore. And other networks carrying Sanders' speech?

[TCJ70]

104. It's not being televised...

...apparently a completely avoidable video is too much for some people.

[Paladin]

103. Disappear, Bernie. (nt)

[JonLP24]

110. Competition to Trump

It is not unusual for him to respond.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/state-of-the-union-response-2018

I get it you don't want to hear him but some of us would prefer to listen to Abrams and Sanders and won't be listening to Trump.

Link to tweet

Add a third person to the list of people I'd rather hear than Trump.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

115. Oh my gerd!

Competition!

[RobertDevereaux]

128. He ain't in competition...

"Misinformation is circulating that wrongly claims Bernie Sanders’ State of the Union rebuttal on February 5 is the same time as the Democrats’ official rebuttal from Stacey Abrams. This is not true. Bernie Sanders’ SOTU rebuttal is taking place after Stacey Abrams’ rebuttal.... In fact, even though Bernie Sanders is getting some complaints from Democrat voters about scheduling a rebuttal speech, it isn’t unusual at all. Last year, five Democrats delivered responses to the State of the Union."

[link:https://heavy.com/news/2019/02/bernie-sanders-sotu-response-stacey-abrams/?fbclid=IwAR2mQkgoVB9-_joAGG23UKi-O_prh6_ygKkHMDFdZZtmWkA15hS7NG5NF2w|

[David__77]

140. No more in competition than Abrams will be with Kamala Harris, who will be speaking before Abrams.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211775982

[Locrian]

145. waiting for the same outrage... I suspect I'll be waiting a long time ... n/t

[David__77]

149. I suspect that there won't be the same reaction.

...

[vsrazdem]

151. Of course not, her name is not Bernie.

[QC]

173. OMG WHY IS SHE TRYING TO STEAL THE SPOTLIGHT!!!!111!

[Recursion]

185. Harris hasn't burned through all my trust and goodwill, or my friends'

Huge difference

[ismnotwasm]

152. Bernie Sanders is still considering a presidential run.

My understanding is, he’s waiting to see if, in his opinion, there is a worthy candidate, if there is not one he sees as carrying the proper message, he’s in.

That said, He has faded into background noise somewhat, while at the same time still has millions of enthusiastic fans who want his opinion. If he decides to run, he needs to keep his hand in.

While I personally believe this is bad optics, and he’s making a very big mistake; especially for potential presidential aspirations, he certainly has the right to do so.

I’m not planning on paying any attention to it, bless his heart.

I will listen to Kamala Harris before and Stacy Abrams after. The thought of Trump getting flayed by two powerful black women before and after brings me great joy.

[honest.abe]

156. Isn't Tulsi carrying the "proper message" ?

[ismnotwasm]

159. Ha!

Ok I literally laughed old loud

[Arazi]

153. Why in the fuck is Kamala Harris delivering a competing response to the SOTU!!!??1?1

Right?!!!11

[honest.abe]

155. She's not. Its not a response. Its a statement prior to the SOTU.

Huge difference.

[Arazi]

157. Lol, yeah go with that

#NotFoolingAnyone

[honest.abe]

161. I am sure you see the difference but just dont want to admit it.

[Recursion]

168. Why shouldn't she do a video?

You seem to be acting like the messenger and their history don't matter here.

[Voltaire2]

162. I can't wait for your outraged op aimed at Harris.

[Recursion]

164. Why would she get an outraged OP from me? (nt)

[TCJ70]

176. What could she add to the conversation that Stacey Abrams will miss?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428517-kamala-harris-to-deliver-address-ahead-of-trumps-state-of-the-union

"I'm delivering remarks tonight on Facebook Live ahead of the President’s State of the Union Address," Harris said on Twitter. "It's critical we speak truth to the American people during this inflection moment in our country's history."

How dare she compete with the first African American woman to give the SOTU rebuttal!

[Recursion]

178. She'll introduce Abrams' remarks very well

Even if she did want to add to Abrams's remarks, I'd be willing to listen to her

[TCJ70]

191. But she's not introducing Abrams remarks...

...she "pre-butting" the SOTU. She's not hyping Abrams. Does she not think Abrams can do a good enough job rebutting it so she has to make sure it gets done right?

[Voltaire2]

193. So you don't see even a slight hint of

massive inconsistency between your attitude towards Sanders internet rebuttal and Harris’s prebuttal?

[Recursion]

194. I treat people differently based on their past actions

Do you not?

[Voltaire2]

195. I try to apply the same standards.

Don’t you?

But at least you appear to be admitting that your outrage at Sanders has nothing at all to do with the fact that he is one of three party leaders speaking tonight.

[Voltaire2]

189. Lulzd.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

169. It may be a while

[riverwalker]

182. He is NOT a Democrat.

If I see any more about Bernie I’m going to puke. This isn’t IndependantsUnderground.

[Voltaire2]

196. Senate Democratic Caucus Outreach Chair

Bernie Sanders.

Senator Sanders is part of the Senate Democratic Caucus leadership.

Shall I fetch the bucket?

[Scurrilous]

186. Boink.

[Scoopster]

188. Because he's an egomaniac. n/t

[Gothmog]

198. From Reverend Al

Link to tweet

[Cha]

203. Exactly, Rev Al.. It's brilliant!

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

205. I really like the Rev.

Stacy Abrams is going to be a star in this party

[Cha]

208. She is! I just saw this.. I get in to all that stuff..

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

199. Stacey Abrams will give the response to the SOTU. But Bernie Sanders wants the last word

Link to tweet

The remarks of Sanders (I-Vt.) won’t take place until after Abrams is finished. Even so, critics say his speech will undermine Abrams. It fuels frustration from Abrams and others that she is not being more seriously discussed as a 2020 presidential contender. (Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) did ask Abrams to run for senator, something she is considering.)

“The optics aren’t great,” AM2DM host Saeed Jones tweeted. “Stacey Abrams will be the first black woman to deliver the formal response to the State of the Union address in the custom’s 53-year history. And it reads as if Bernie doesn’t trust her capacity to say what needs to be said.”

It also helps underscore Sanders’s struggle to attract nonwhite voters. During the 2016 presidential primary, the lawmaker failed to attract large amounts of support from black women, whom Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez has called the backbone of the party.....

The remarks of Sanders (I-Vt.) won’t take place until after Abrams is finished. Even so, critics say his speech will undermine Abrams. It fuels frustration from Abrams and others that she is not being more seriously discussed as a 2020 presidential contender. (Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) did ask Abrams to run for senator, something she is considering.)

“The optics aren’t great,” AM2DM host Saeed Jones tweeted. “Stacey Abrams will be the first black woman to deliver the formal response to the State of the Union address in the custom’s 53-year history. And it reads as if Bernie doesn’t trust her capacity to say what needs to be said.”

It also helps underscore Sanders’s struggle to attract nonwhite voters. During the 2016 presidential primary, the lawmaker failed to attract large amounts of support from black women, whom Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez has called the backbone of the party.

[aikoaiko]

202. I don't know why people are getting bent about a SOTU response given over social media.

People freaked out in early January when Bernie gave a response after Schumer and Pelosi gave their response to Trump.

Its not a big deal. Bernie has given SOTU responses before.

[dem4decades]

204. I guess it's all about Bernie.