Does anyone here think Gov Northam is a racist?

[Eko]

If your answer is no then he should stay in office.

[LBM20]

1. Definitely not. It was dumb costume thing from 35 years ago.

[hlthe2b]

2. It was a racist act. Beyond that, I don't know.

[Eko]

4. That it was.

I agree with that. Should acts done early in life overwrite all the good you have done since then and will keep doing?

[qazplm135]

3. I think he did an exceedingly racist thing

and for that, he loses the privilege of being Governor.

[X_Digger]

12. How'd you feel about Robert Byrd? n/t

[Agschmid]

17. Well to start with he's dead.

[X_Digger]

21. And that has what to do with my question?

Should Byrd have resigned?

[Agschmid]

71. Well that wasn't your actual first question.

Tbh I don’t know much about him so I can’t make an informed decision on that.

I will say racism of any kind has no place my Democratic Party.

[X_Digger]

82. Byrd was a reformed member of the KKK. Now you know more about him.

And yet..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)[70] rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the NAACP's position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently." Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda"

[cilla4progress]

101. Good argument

Why does Northam feel different from Byrd?

Times they live/d in? By 1984 Northam should have known better?

[X_Digger]

103. For me, it doesn't. Why is the narrative being pushed right now?

Who's doing the pushing?

Part of it is 'presentism'- judging past actions by current moral standards. (e.g. the 'Baby it's cold outside' controversy every recent holiday season.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis)

If you go back and watch movies from 1984, you'll be surprised at the overt racism and homophobia that's accepted and even used as punchlines.

(Adventures in Babysitting - 1987 comes to mind.)

[cilla4progress]

106. Still

not cool.

There's gotta be a time cut off for this stuff.

[X_Digger]

108. I'm more interested in what he's doing now for Virginians..

.. than what he did 35 years ago.

But then, I also remember and liked Robert Byrd.

[cilla4progress]

112. Legit point

thanks for making me think twice about it.

[cilla4progress]

118. How was his apology?

I'm clicked out.

[X_Digger]

124. Seemed heartfelt and genuine to me.

For the tar and feather crowd, nothing will do, I'm sure.

[cilla4progress]

126. Good

to hear.

[qazplm135]

37. same way...next question

He got away with being around in a time when we quite frankly tolerated racism a whole lot more than we do now (and sexism, and homophobia).

Guess what, it ain't then...it's now.

[X_Digger]

50. So, you think he should have resigned, too? hrmmm. n/t

[qazplm135]

92. I think it's sad that racism

was so accepted back then that we happily let folks who were members of the klan in yes.

Thankfully, it's not now.

[X_Digger]

95. And yet the NAACP lauded him on his death..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)[70] rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the NAACP's position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently." Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda.

Something about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face comes to mind.

[qazplm135]

97. that's nice of them

so what?

[X_Digger]

100. By your logic, Byrd would have been gone, yes?

And in the long run, the NAACP would have lost a champion.

But please, keep on- babies & bath water notwithstanding.

[delisen]

23. Not so fast.He is elected by the voters.Who are you to negate their votes?

[onenote]

34. Would you apply that to an elected Republican?

[delisen]

107. Yes. The behavior today is what counts. Is he discriminating in his governorship?

Is he denying people their rights, bullying them, preventing people from voting, working against equality?

There are probably elected officials right now who are discriminating so I question why people who consider themselves to be progressive are calling for this governor to resign rather than those who are actively discriminating.

Right wingers are going to do everything they can to defeat this governor (they are making a big push against him because they are revving up their anti-female reproductive rights campaign) I don't understand why any Democrats are so eager to help them.

Putin was successful in 2016 because he's had psychological profiles done of Democratic voters.

I think people who are quick to point fingers are often projecting and not being frank about their own prejudices in real time.

How many white Americans who consider themselves liberal or progressive actually send their children to integrated public schools -integrated by class as well as race?

I think Jimmy Carter was the only president in modern times who actually did. His daughter Amy went to local public schools in Washington D.C. with poor people and it was fully integrated. Should I denounce the other presidents because they chose $40,000-%60,000 per year private schools?

So many people I know are convinced that they are total egalitarians but when it comes to changing their own behaviors choose to stay separate.

[qazplm135]

39. lol so you are also against impeaching Trump then right?

after all, he was elected by the voters.

[X_Digger]

54. Here, class, we have a perfect example of a false equivalence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors.
...
False equivalence arguments are often used in journalism and in politics, where the minor flaws of one candidate may be compared to major flaws of another.

On one hand, we have someone doing something 35 years ago that was not illegal, and on the other, we have someone colluding with a foreign power to steal an election.

If you're trying to say they're equivalent, all I can do is laugh.

[qazplm135]

85. wearing blackface or a KKK hood

since he hasn't yet told us which of those is him, is not a "minor flaw."

[X_Digger]

89. 35 years ago, someone did something shameful but not illegal. Stop the presses.

Still want to compare that to Trump?

[qazplm135]

94. when the argument is

you can't do anything cuz will of the voters, then yep, same TYPE of situation even if the QUALITY of the trespass is different.

Prior disqualifying behavior that is not ignored because "he was elected."

If you or they want to argue it's not bad enough to resign, feel free and add all the teenaged smileys you want to boot.
Arguing you can't because he was voted in, is stupid.

[X_Digger]

98. Nice try, but no cigar.

An impeachable offense ignores how many people voted for a candidate. Not a matter of degree. One is an apple, the other is a saxophone.

To try to equate the two is.. laughably silly.

[delisen]

114. The difference is:Trump is engaging in discrimination in office and breaking laws.

Last edited Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:32 AM - Edit history (1)

Are you suggesting the governor of VA is discriminating in carrying out his duties or bring the law while in office?

[k8conant]

130. Northam is governor of Virginia, not North Carolina...

[delisen]

131. Thanks. I had just corrected.

[Agschmid]

73. Were the voters who voted for him informed of this prior to voting?

[delisen]

115. Did be have all copies of this particular year book burned?

with just this one surviving?

I am surprised actually that the Republican opposition research had not dug it up-maybe they did but decided they could suppress so many Democratic votes they wouldn't need it.

[roamer65]

5. All whites are racists.

It is very implanted into our culture.

I think that Governor Northam has tried to change, while the travesty squatting in the WH has not.

I do have to admit, I tired of the double standard on issues like this between Repukes and Democrats.

It’s Governor Northam’s call to make. I’m sure he will make the right decision when the time comes.

[Eko]

7. Ya, all whites are at least in part racist.

And Im white. I would never call anyone to resign for something they did a long time ago, when they were young and the world was unfortunately a different place. If they kept up with that behavior till now then absolutely. But not when they have gone the opposite direction and have done great good in the world.

[VMA131Marine]

33. All whites are not racist!

Prejudiced, yes! But it takes acting on that prejudice to cross the line into racism.

[roamer65]

53. There are two forms of racism in us white folks.

Overt and covert.

I have yet to see a fellow white person who has not engaged in either form.

I am guilty as well. Our job is to overcome it.

[ariadne0614]

57. +1 n/t

[WhiskeyGrinder]

105. This.

[hughee99]

113. Exactly! White people are always lumping minorities together

And making judgements about them as if they are one monolithic group, and it’s flat out racism. Don’t you hate it when people make blanket statements about a whole race of people?

[irresistable]

6. When the character Archie Bunker was in blackface in 1975, it was controversial...

This was in 1984 and in medical school.

He thought that this was so cool, he would put it in his medical school yearbook.

This wasn't National Lampoon magazine.

[Eko]

10. Did they make him resign from the show?

And we are talking about national television and a Virginia yearbook. Quite different.

[irresistable]

14. you are missing the point

The point is that performing in blackface was controversial in 1975 and Northam thought that it was cute and funny in 1984.

[Eko]

16. And national televison

was the same as a Virginia school. Exact same.

[delisen]

31. You do not know what he thought. He was elected by the people. They decide

We have no right to overturn the vote.

[irresistable]

35. Do you think that he would have won the Democratic nomination for Governor if this had come out?

He is welcome to tell us what he was thinking, but it won't come out well for him.

There is only one reason to put a photo like that in a yearbook....because you think that it is funny.

[delisen]

109. Do you read minds for a living or just for fun?

He is not going anywhere.

[irresistable]

123. Forecast for the next few days... 451 degrees with heavy firestorms.

[delisen]

133. Golly it is getting hot! I need to dig an underground bunker.

[lilactime]

58. As one of the people who elected him I want him gone.

[delisen]

111. Possibly you will be able to convince the rest of the voters. Republicans will help

and probably thank you.

[qazplm135]

40. first of all racism was accepted in 1975

in all aspects of society.

second of all, he wasn't a politician, he was a sitcom character...as you say "quite different."

[Eko]

63. He wasnt a politican in 1975.

[qazplm135]

84. he is now

and that makes his past relevant.

[Eko]

88. Yes,

But not just 1975!!!!

[qazplm135]

96. I have no idea what your point is

1975 allowed more racist things than we do today. That doesn't make it less racist, it just means today we have different and better standards.

We have another perfectly good Dem waiting to take over, just like with Franken. So we get to hold to our values AND we keep the governorship. So either ethically or practically, it's a no-brainer.

[Eko]

121. Where did you grow up?

[people]

128. The yearbook is from 1984, not 1975!

[Doodley]

8. Based on that, I should hang my head in shame for all the stupid stuff I have done.

[Eko]

11. Me too unfortunately.

Thankfully I am a better person now.

[MineralMan]

15. Are you an elected official? A Governor?

No? Never mind, then.

[Eko]

19. Hey Mineral man,

Lots of respect to ya, but should mistakes in the past rob us of good people that have done good since then and still will?

[Doodley]

32. Yes, it seems Democrats should resign and the party of Trump, the most bigoted president

In living memory should celebrate as another Democrat bites the dust.

[MineralMan]

36. Sometimes, yes.

35 years ago, I knew better than to do that. 45, 50 years ago, too. I've never run for office. Sometimes offensive things done in ones 20s really do disqualify people. Not only did he appear in blackface, standing next to someone in a KKK robe and hood, but also had poor enough judgment to allow that photo to be published in a yearbook.

Stupid. Now, that mistake, or whatever it was at the time, has been discovered and made public. Too bad. Now, he will have to resign.

I knew better at his age then. So should bears h have. Actions have consequences. I cannot excuse him. People of color will not excuse him. He has no choice, really, but to resign. You'll see.

[Eko]

43. So,,,,,

If someone was convicted of theft at that age should it disqualify them forever of being a politician?

[MineralMan]

48. Yes, probably.

What is Virginia law regarding convicted felons running for office? I don't know.

[Eko]

49. Im not asking you what the Va law is.

Im asking your opinion.

[MineralMan]

55. The law is pertinent.

Ask yourself this: Had that photo been published while he was running for Governor, would he have won? In Virginia, I'm sure he would not have. If the law prohibited convicted felons from holding office, as it does in some states, he could not have run.I

What is the percentage of Virginia voters who are black? Should they ignore what he did? I think not.

[Eko]

59. I'm disappointed.

I almost feel as if I am in a different forum group and the person wont answer the question and instead moves off into different territory and asks a question instead of answering.

[guillaumeb]

52. And would you apply the same reasoning to the Al Franken case?

Interesting.

[MineralMan]

62. Al Franken decided to resign.

What he was accused of was far more minor an offense. I campaigned for Franken. I have met Franken. I wish he were still one of my Senators. Faced with the accusations, he chose to resign. That was his decision. So Franken is an honorable man, who resigned out of a sense of duty.

I would have done the same, with much regret.

[melman]

116. "What he was accused of was far more minor an offense"

Was it really? Is an offensive yearbook picture really worse than forcibly kissing a woman?



note: I'm not saying Franken did that but that is what he was accused of.

[MineralMan]

136. We'll never know the validity of the accusations

against Al Franken. He denies the accusations. He resigned under pressure from his peers, rather than have a full investigation. That Governor has admitted that the photo had him in it.

So, we have an elected Governor who definitely participated in a racist photograph, allowed it to be put in the medical school yearbook, but had apparently forgotten that.

Al Franken resigned, which is an appropriate thing to do when something interferes with your ability to do your job as well as you possibly could. The Governor will also resign, I'm sure, and for a similar reason. Some things cannot be overcome.

Again, do you think the voters in Virginia would have elected him had this become public before the election? I seriously doubt that.

[qazplm135]

45. no

but that's not what is happening here...he just doesn't get to be Governor. He isn't getting his money or house or kids taken away from him. He loses the privilege of being a leader. He can write a book, retire, work on a corporate board, or build houses for the poor, whatever floats his boat.

[Eko]

51. He didnt just get to be Gov.

He did great things, worked his butt of to get where he was, did lots of good thing and got elected by people.

[qazplm135]

87. and now he doesn't "get" to be governor

because of something ELSE he did that those people never knew about because he hid it.

If he'd revealed it, apologized for it and THEN got elected, ok, maybe.

But he didn't. He knew this was out there, he knew it could come out and he hid it.

There's a perfectly good democrat waiting in the wings.

[Eko]

93. Thats a pretty good argument.

Cant argue too much with that provided he knew about the photo and it would be hard to say he didn't.

[Doodley]

27. No, I"m not. Sorry to be a nobody.

[MineralMan]

38. Then you will not have to resign.

[Doodley]

132. Does that mean I can be nobody forever?

[MineralMan]

135. Sure, if that's what you choose to do.

If you have plans to be an elected somebody, though, check your past out thoroughly, because others certainly will.

[delisen]

65. Governors are elected by the people of their states. I say respect the vote and the voters

They decide.

Does this governor practice discrimination? Does he have a history of violence? Does he commit crimes? Does he put up barriers to keep people from voting. Does he promote inequality?

In Vermont an African American legislator has resigned from office due to harassment based upon her race. This is happening today in real time in a state that is overwhelmingly white,She has stated that she and her family no longer feel safe in her community and that she and they have not been adequately protected.

So many people seem eager to change the past rather than the present. But of course, we only have the power to change the present. Maybe focusing on the past is a way not taking responsibility to change our behaviors today.

[MineralMan]

76. Here's the thing: He was elected with the votes of many

black Virginians. Would they have voted for him had that photo come out before the election? Most would not have, I think. Many probably now feel betrayed. Many remember the KKK. Many have been harmed by racists, some who were just in their twenties. Think about that for a bit.

[delisen]

119. I live in southern state. We know the difference between voting for

a vote-suppressing, discriminating republican governor and a democrat who posed for photo three decades ago

[qazplm135]

91. and if he had revealed this

then you might have a point.

[LBM20]

20. I have done and said some dumb and wrong things in my life. We ALL have. And we learn and change.

[KayF]

9. he might be

I have no idea. I have a clue.

[Eko]

13. Yes, based on everything he has done since then

that contradicts that he still might be. Really?

[JI7]

18. I don't think he is a bigot now and for most of his adult life

[roamer65]

22. Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with Gov Northam supporting VA abortion law liberalization?

It doesn’t excuse his past behavior but it sure smells like a Repuke smear op.

[Goodheart]

24. I don't think he's a racist, but I think he should resign

or we forfeit any moral high ground we occupied during the Kavanaugh hearings.

It's like this, I'm afraid.... unless Northam is uniquely qualified to be Virginia's governor, unless he has talents that nobody else has, we voters should insist on candidates with clean pasts. Sorry, but I think he forfeited any claim on future leadership the moment he did that stupid thing as an adult. There are thousands of others in Virginia who could be governor as well as he can.

[JI7]

26. nope, Kavanaugh lied

[Eko]

30. One was a possible crime

One wasn't. Huggggggggeeeeee difference. Should we have asked President Obama to resign because the was against same sex marriage?

[Bantamfancier]

47. To hell with the moral high ground.

We sure kept that drunk off the Supreme Court didn't we. What with our outrage and all those phone calls and petitions. Damn it people, this is a fight we’re in and we can cede no ground. Everyone has something in their past that they wouldn't want on the news. (Well, maybe not everyone, there is Jimmy Carter)

Is there another incident of this man acting like an ass? And I mean something more recent that 30 some years ago.

[torius]

64. Carter said he lusted in his heart

And it was a big deal back then! Hard to imagine now with the cat grabber in the White House.

[OBrien]

25. It was insensitive...sign of the times period

[KayF]

42. I'm skeptical this is at all typical for those times

it strikes me as very unusual both for a student for choosing a photo like that and for the school for allowing it, in the 1980's, even in the South.

[bigtree]

127. I was a young manager in '84

...I was supporting Jesse Jackson's run



Sign of those times.

[SweetieD]

28. Probably yes

[underpants]

29. Never met him but I'm shocked by this.

He strikes me as about as real as it gets especially in politics. I really shouldn't be surprised given that I know what Virginia was like back then.

[walkingman]

41. From what I have read he is not racist now but it appears that he might have been when attending VMI

VMI has sort of a history of embracing racism and I base this on their decisions around Confederate statues.

[Polybius]

44. What if he used to be a racist?

Should he resign if he changed?

[qazplm135]

46. if he changed then why didn't he bring this up

and apologize for it proactively?

It was hidden. He knew it was there, he hoped no one would find it.

[Polybius]

60. No one brings up things they want to hide, unless they think they are coming out

If I were Governor, there's no way I would voluntarily bring up some of my stupid things that I've done. No, mine aren't racist, but they could be damaging.

[qazplm135]

83. then you don't get credit

for "changing."

[mac56]

102. THIS

[Polybius]

117. He would have never won the nomination if he brought it up

I get what you're saying though, but for me there are a few things that I'm ashamed of that I would never bring up on a job interview. To be clear, I didn't do racist things, but I did do other things that I regret, like breaking a window on a bulldozer at night as a teen, skinny dipping on a public beach, drag racing, etc.

[GemDigger]

79. I also think he should have been upfront about it while running and let the people decide.

It needs to be something that all Democrats running for office has to do from now on. Otherwise, some republican, Wohl, troll or Russian type will find out and cause trouble.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

56. No

Monumentally stupid back then though. I wonder why the picture has taken so long to come out?

[MineralMan]

66. Who looks at medical school yearbooks?

[oberliner]

69. People doing oppo research on a candidate?

[MineralMan]

77. He was elected already.

No doubt someone was looking for negative things. They existed, and have now become public. That's very unfortunate for the Governor. It is irrelevant, though. The photo exists and was published.

And there it is.

[Freethinker65]

61. Idk, but he is definitely an idiot to not think this would come out.

He has only himself to blame.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

67. From the WA Po

Politicos in Richmond reacted in muted disbelief, and many declined to speak on the record as the news first circulated Friday.

When he ran for governor in 2017, Northam paid special attention to black churches, often attending two or three every Sunday. His home pastor is African American. After the racial violence in Charlottesville that summer, Northam was among the quickest Virginia political figures to react, making an emotional plea that all Confederate monuments should come down.

He later walked that back and now says it should be up to localities, but said recently that his personal belief is that such statues are harmful.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-gov-northams-medical-school-yearbook-page-shows-men-in-blackface-kkk-robe/2019/02/01/517a43ee-265f-11e9-90cd-dedb0c92dc17_story.html?utm_term=.48ba1d98aceb&wpisrc=al_news__alert-national--alert-politics--alert-local-politics&wpmk=1

[oberliner]

68. What is the non-racist explanation for the photo?

[Eko]

70. Racist now.

[Clash City Rocker]

72. He certainly was in 1984

And then he didn’t bother to disclose this in the interim, which suggests that he cares about his political life more than he cares about black people, or that he didn’t see how offensive this was. If he had been the one to disclose this and ask for forgiveness, it would be no big deal. I’m not going to say he should resign, but every Democratic politician should try to avoid being seen with him, and he shouldn’t run for reelection.

[Eko]

74. Best points I have heard so far.

Kudos Clash.

[BlueStater]

75. Virginia Governors can legally only serve one term.

He wouldn't be able to run for reelection anyway.

[Polybius]

78. Off-topic but a one-term limit law is ridiculous

What were they thinking?

[Jarqui]

80. Northam's Yearbook Reportedly Listed One of His Nicknames as 'Coonman'

https://www.mediaite.com/online/ralph-northams-yearbook-reportedly-listed-one-of-his-nicknames-as-coonman/

Sorry, I cannot look the other way on that. No lipstick on this pig.

[Eko]

86. Cool.

Should felons be allowed to vote?

[Jarqui]

99. Very different issue - not part of this thread nt

[Jarqui]

104. When I was 10, 11 & 12 years old in grade school,

we were fighting antisemitism and racism in my school.
I literally was in fist fights over it.
MLK and RFK and brutality in the streets of America were inspirations for us to act.

If we could have those feelings in 1964 at age 10, I find it hard to accept that a 25 year old med student twenty years later still hadn't figured something like that out. There's something wrong with him - particularly one who wants to be a doctor. We knew at age 10 that things like this hurt other people. I'm fed up with 54 years of excuses when there are none acceptable. This is a demonstration of ignorance and hate that should have absolutely no place in our society.

[Sgent]

81. I think he was thoughtless

he had no conception nor empathy about how his actions would make other people feel. He wasn't "woke" about Virginia or his status. He very well may have been a racist -- but I tend to think he was just thoughtless. College students in the south should have known better in 1980.

His words and actions since then don't paint a picture of a racist.

He probably should stay as of now, but he needs to be talking about the journey of how he got from then.

[California_Republic]

90. Side note: That was some very late sad opposition research

[Afromania]

110. Can people change, sure they can. Is he racist now? I don't know.

but the fact he decided blackface was ever a good idea makes him suspect. The fact he did it with somebody dressed as a member of racist terrorist organization makes it doubly suspect. That he didn't feel a need to apologize for it before now makes him even more suspect.

He needs to leave office because there is nothing he can do that doesn't make him appear to not be suspect. Nothing other than straight up and down pandering to black folks, and that will probably ensure he doesn't get reelected anyway. This is all probably academic because he won't resign and it will get swept under the rug.

[Blue Owl]

120. Allow me to use myself as an example

My grandparents (grandfather particularly) were openly racist against African Americans, Hmong, Mexicans, and most other 'non-whites'.

My parents were less so, although there were some deep-rooted undercurrents that seemed to carry through from their parents.

Myself, growing up in such an environment, I remember repeating racist jokes as a child and teenager before I was capable of critical thinking. In college through my 20's, I feel like I underwent a learning process where I became aware that all people -- regardless of gender and skin color, were simply just other people who, like me, did not have a choice to be brought into this world, and a light went on that we must see all other humans as EQUALS in the same big boat.

Just because Northam had said or done things in his younger days does not mean he still carries those beliefs. If he no longer believes that those of his race are superior, I hope he states so in a way that serves as an example to others that just because you grew up in a racist environment, you have the choice to change and put these old beliefs, rooted in fear and ignorance, behind you forever.

I still feel disappointed in myself for the jokes I told as a child and teenager. But when I think of that nowadays, it makes me all the more determined today to treat all others as EQUALS and try my best to respect everyone's dignity and self-worth as a fellow human.

[Eko]

122. Bam.

Thanks.

[912gdm]

125. This has been a wonderful shiny object today.

Makes me question what is going to drop tonight or tomorrow that will get lost in the weeds.

I also wonder who has been sitting on this fluster-cuck nugget and why they decided to drop this today.

[COLGATE4]

134. Perhaps because the Virginia Rethugs are absolutely

bat-shit crazy about him because of his strong pro-choice (i.e. "anti-life&quot stance and want him gone. This is an absolute godsend to them (assuming of course that it wasn't the same Rethugs who dug this photo up). They are pissing themselves laughing about how we Dems eat our own with such little provocation.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

129. I don't know enough to have an opinion.

Which is probably true of more people here than are willing to admit.