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sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 06:45 PM Jan 2019

The quintessence of white privilege

It is the quintessence of white privilege to be walked out of your home in a crisp blue Polo shirt and later go on tv to complain about excessive force... Eric Garner sold cigarettes, Roger Stone sold out his country... Yet the latter lived to complain about ‘excessive force’...- Cyrus McQueen

http://all-hat-no-cattle.blogspot.com/2019/01/cyberwar-heats-up.html
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The quintessence of white privilege (Original Post) sheshe2 Jan 2019 OP
K&R!!! akraven Jan 2019 #1
K&R yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #18
WINNER !!! pangaia Jan 2019 #26
Asuka!! yuiyoshida Feb 2019 #38
A-MEN!!! nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #2
So very true n/t Apollyonus Jan 2019 #3
most white people don't own polo shirts Mosby Jan 2019 #4
I'm white and almost my entire wardrobe is polo shirts localroger Jan 2019 #5
the "polo" brand, you know, ralph lauren Mosby Jan 2019 #8
Ah, brand vs. description localroger Jan 2019 #25
Time for a change, Roger.... pangaia Jan 2019 #28
Pretty close localroger Jan 2019 #31
I knew it. I just KNEW you were an engineer. pangaia Jan 2019 #32
Honestly more of a wanna-be engineer localroger Jan 2019 #33
HA !!!!!!!!! pangaia Jan 2019 #34
A lot of Polo is dirt cheap. Hardly the domain of the rich. Celerity Jan 2019 #24
K & R. In your face Roger Hotler Jan 2019 #6
From what I understand... lame54 Jan 2019 #7
That should be plastered at every Cha Jan 2019 #9
Thank You Cha!!! sheshe2 Jan 2019 #10
You're Cha Feb 2019 #37
So...if it were Ben Carson, he would have been killed? Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #11
I think you're on to something. oldsoftie Jan 2019 #14
I think if Ben Carson were arrested by the FBI in a specified raid for a specified cause... Hekate Jan 2019 #20
This not about Ben Carson... sheshe2 Jan 2019 #22
The fact that some people still argue that white privilege doesn't exist lunatica Feb 2019 #58
If Ben Carson was selling single cigarettes on the street, Solomon Jan 2019 #29
If they KNEW he was THAT Ben Carson, probably not EffieBlack Jan 2019 #30
Henry Louis Gates probably has class and connections, and he was arrested entering his own house Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #52
James Blake is young, handsome and upper class spooky3 Feb 2019 #53
K&R 2naSalit Jan 2019 #12
Yup...probably been like that since Ancient Greece and Rome. The rich are treated Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2019 #13
And black are treated differently than white. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #35
Yes Sheshe! And, isn't the saddest part that if you think back, during Obama years, Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #39
I agree, it will take years to reverse the damage. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #40
Ugh and CNN just said 640 days until election. I Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #43
I just watched this. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #44
That's just brilliant! Thanks for sharing Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #49
You're welcome. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #50
I thought he was a "tough guy". Onyrleft Jan 2019 #15
KnR, Cha Hekate Jan 2019 #16
K & R BadgerMom Jan 2019 #17
More like rich privilege. docgee Jan 2019 #19
Not to trivialize the point of white privilege, which I totally agree with... debsy Jan 2019 #21
True. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #23
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2019 #27
Oh yes. ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #36
K&R ck4829 Feb 2019 #41
Just a bunch of ineffectual men trying to be Chads. MineralMan Feb 2019 #42
I don't think for one second they are incels. MicaelS Feb 2019 #45
If you can pay for sex, one way or another, you can MineralMan Feb 2019 #46
I disagree. MicaelS Feb 2019 #47
OK. We disagree, then. MineralMan Feb 2019 #48
K&R..... Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #51
What a load of crap. That's GREEN privilege. Bonx Feb 2019 #54
Can't rec this enough wryter2000 Feb 2019 #55
Very telling about media bias. gtar100 Feb 2019 #56
Always remember the "Golden Rule"... Toorich Feb 2019 #57
K&R! geardaddy Feb 2019 #59
A couple of days ago my wife and I were having breakfast with my 88 year old MiL ... marble falls Feb 2019 #60
The nerve of right wingers whining treestar Feb 2019 #61
I hope he goes down hard. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #62

localroger

(3,629 posts)
5. I'm white and almost my entire wardrobe is polo shirts
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 08:43 PM
Jan 2019

I think I own one shirt that actually buttons down the front. I might have worn it when I was on vacation a few years ago.

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
8. the "polo" brand, you know, ralph lauren
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:01 PM
Jan 2019

They cost almost 85 dollars each at macy's.

That's what stone was wearing.


localroger

(3,629 posts)
25. Ah, brand vs. description
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 11:11 PM
Jan 2019

Need to clarify that. "Polo shirt" is also a generic term for a T-shirt with a few buttons below the neck and a collar. I buy them from Wal-Mart but I've worn them since I was in high school, where polos with the school logo were the dress code, over 30 years ago.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
31. Pretty close
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 11:22 PM
Jan 2019

I have 3/4 of an engineering degree and 30+ years doing most of what engineers do in the field. I went back to the polos after I got a bit too technical for the service-technician Dickeys to be appropriate. Trust me, when the Singularity comes it will be wearing a generic polyester polo shirt.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
33. Honestly more of a wanna-be engineer
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 11:28 PM
Jan 2019

If you think polo shirts are bad, try wearing an actual uniform. The last straw, as I was starting to put computers in places nobody had ever seen them, was when I entered a customer's office and said I was there to update the computer system we had installed, and the receptionist said "Oh, I thought you were here to spray for bugs."

Cha

(297,304 posts)
9. That should be plastered at every
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jan 2019

white privileged asshole who whines about his/her "discrimination".

Mahalo for this, she

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. So...if it were Ben Carson, he would have been killed?
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:25 PM
Jan 2019

Or was it his class and connections, you think?

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
20. I think if Ben Carson were arrested by the FBI in a specified raid for a specified cause...
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:49 PM
Jan 2019

...he would be shown the same courtesy as Roger Stone, due to the reasons you mention.

However, public record shows that African-American men who are homeowners or renters in upper class neighborhoods are still seen as the "other" by their own neighbors and are likely to have the city cops called on them for doing normal things like exiting or entering their own homes, especially if they forgot their keys. Those are moments of maximal risk for these men, and they are as liable to be beaten or killed as any other black American man who encounters the cops n any setting for any reason.

sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
22. This not about Ben Carson...
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 10:03 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:06 AM - Edit history (1)

Strawman.

Ben, a black man that is as white as can be. Head of HUD for gosh sake goes out and spends 31K on a dining set for his office. He is supposed to have been helping to house less fortunate people. Instead he ripped them off and enriched himself and the unqualified people he hired.

This is about a obscenely rich white man, Roger Stone, that alone makes him privileged. The point of the comment shows the vast difference between color and privilege. You are trying to insert Carson as Eric Garner? Please! Eric Garner's last words were "I can't breathe" as NYC cops used excessive force and strangled him to death, a man that was selling cigarettes on the street to make a few dollars.

False equivalency.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
58. The fact that some people still argue that white privilege doesn't exist
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:30 PM
Feb 2019

is blatant evidence that posts like yours are truly necessary. I support you doing this all the way!

It’s just a gobsmacker that it’s still needed.


Solomon

(12,310 posts)
29. If Ben Carson was selling single cigarettes on the street,
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 11:17 PM
Jan 2019

then yes, he would get fucked over. Fixed that for you.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
30. If they KNEW he was THAT Ben Carson, probably not
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 11:17 PM
Jan 2019

But if Ben Carson gets stopped by the police, he stands a better chance of getting beaten up or killed before he has a chance to tell the he's the Ben Carson that shouldn't be beaten up or killed than any white person, whoever they are.

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
52. Henry Louis Gates probably has class and connections, and he was arrested entering his own house
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:58 PM
Feb 2019

So if you’re trying to frame this as race having nothing to do with the issue, I beg to differ. Statistically, a white suspect without class or connections is less likely to be killed or roughed up when he’s arrested. Race plays a significant role.

spooky3

(34,458 posts)
53. James Blake is young, handsome and upper class
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:50 PM
Feb 2019

but police still threw him to the ground while he was waiting outside a luxury hotel for a ride to a tennis center.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. Yup...probably been like that since Ancient Greece and Rome. The rich are treated
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:32 PM
Jan 2019

differently than the poor and those who can afford to be treated fairly and have good representation, get it. The poor do not. One of the grand injustices of life unfortunately.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
39. Yes Sheshe! And, isn't the saddest part that if you think back, during Obama years,
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:57 AM
Feb 2019

we might not have made much progress, but at least I felt like there was a first step - a growing recognition of the problem.

Lordy, it will take us years to reverse the damage that Trump has done, and not all of it is quantifiable. It's like he's made hate acceptable. Getting my nails done yesterday, two women yelled out (when Pelosi on TV screen) "I HATE her", she reminded one of "crooked Hillary!" That's what gets me - there are absolutely zero concrete reasons for that. Neither has done anything - like start a fake war where thousands upon thousands died. Or gin up hate of Mexicans. Or blatantly neglect our planet's future. Or side with adversaries before our own public servants.

sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
40. I agree, it will take years to reverse the damage.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:37 AM
Feb 2019

Some of it may well be irreversible, the damage he and his ilk have done to this planet. I can't comprehend why anyone would want to destroy this country like he is. He is truly evil.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
43. Ugh and CNN just said 640 days until election. I
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:50 AM
Feb 2019

Hope someone on our side does deep research on the regulations trump has reversed. Bet there's a gold mine of horrors there. I looked for a list one time. And it's technical and hard to understand. But if investigated would make great debate material for any Dem. Can just picture "trump reversed the regulation that protected clean water in x river in x state where kids swim. Why?"

docgee

(870 posts)
19. More like rich privilege.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:49 PM
Jan 2019

I think if it happened to Kanye, for example, he would have been out same day also. If I was raided by the FBI, my poor ass would still be locked up.

debsy

(530 posts)
21. Not to trivialize the point of white privilege, which I totally agree with...
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jan 2019

... but he is also a white MALE, a much finer point that they are all trying to use as an excuse to start a civil war because they are - according to Ryan Moore in his letter to the editor of the Tennessean that someone posted earlier today - the "most discriminated group in the U. S. today". These whiney, MF crybabies have no idea about what life is like outside their self-congratulating, narcissistic bubbles. I think it is time for an new episode of Trading Places where they all have to spend one year living life in the most impoverished neighborhoods in this country with no access to their identities.

sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
23. True.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 10:07 PM
Jan 2019

I love this part.

I think it is time for an new episode of Trading Places where they all have to spend one year living life in the most impoverished neighborhoods in this country with no access to their identities.


They wouldn't make it a day let alone a year.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
42. Just a bunch of ineffectual men trying to be Chads.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:49 AM
Feb 2019

I apologize for the incel reference, but a lot of those people are classic incels. Some of them compensate for that with money, but they still have the mindset.

Chad wears Polo!

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
45. I don't think for one second they are incels.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:12 PM
Feb 2019

They can, and do get all the sex they want, they just pay for it.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
46. If you can pay for sex, one way or another, you can
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:14 PM
Feb 2019

tell yourself you are not an incel. That does not mean you are not one at heart, though. Neither does wearing Ralph Lauren make you a Chad.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
47. I disagree.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:22 PM
Feb 2019

Some men are loners, and mental fantasies, pornography, strip clubs and masturbation satifies their needs. Possibly with an occasional paid sexual encounter. If that is their voluntary choice it does not make them an incel, not even in their hearts.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
56. Very telling about media bias.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:14 PM
Feb 2019

There is so much empowering and interesting news out there every day but they (MSM, talk radio, newspapers and online news services) broadcast and print way too much bullshit meant to manipulate opinion and obfuscate the important stuff...or not say a word about it and effectively support public ignorance on vital topics. For example, how hard would it be for journalists or broadcasters to clarify "marginal tax rates" when it's brought up. It's not that hard of a concept to understand!

But more to the point of this op...they give face time to some of the worst elements of our culture, as if they speak for the rest of us. White privilege indeed!!! with allowing Stone to talk after his arrest. Blatant classism. Which is why I can't watch TV anymore...I get triggered and end up feeling angry and more stupid for having listened to people for whom I have absolutely no respect.

marble falls

(57,102 posts)
60. A couple of days ago my wife and I were having breakfast with my 88 year old MiL ...
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 04:43 PM
Feb 2019

she started on the needlessly rough treatment she thinks Stone got in his arrest. I let it go. The TV in the restaurant was showing a news report of a drug bust in Houston. My MiL looked up and asked what the footage was about. I asked wasn't it unfair that the police chose to arrest people "in the early morning hours, all those cars, lights, armed cops."

The conversation stayed lighter after that.

I didn't ask her if she saw the video of Stone firing off automatic weapons here in Austin with that chuckle head from the ironically named InfoWars.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
61. The nerve of right wingers whining
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:29 PM
Feb 2019

about such a thing! They really think they should get special privileges? Too much.

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