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This just hit me like a ton of bricks, and the more I think about it, the more I like it... (Original Post) SKKY Jan 2019 OP
Good, but too California? n/t DonaldsRump Jan 2019 #1
I think they are fantastic candidates, but they both represent California. fleur-de-lisa Jan 2019 #2
Yea, but I think they're both "national" enough that perhaps the California tag might... SKKY Jan 2019 #3
The President and VP can not be residents of the same state... CincyDem Jan 2019 #7
I wasn't aware of that. Never mind then. SKKY Jan 2019 #9
After I posted that and read your reply, I did a little more research... CincyDem Jan 2019 #12
K&R for a 5th rec for Harris only, according to the previous reply w/ even more research: Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2019 #16
Yes, and that was a typically slippery move that the national media ignored. LisaM Jan 2019 #11
That would be a good one. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #4
No point in a ticket from just one state. nt Codeine Jan 2019 #5
I think we'd forfeit our entire electoral college delegates from California. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 #6
It may impact the electoral votes, California has 55, I think OneBlueDotBama Jan 2019 #8
Like Swalwell. notdarkyet Jan 2019 #10
Sherrod Brown/Amy Klobuchar might be an interesting consideration with democratisphere Jan 2019 #13
Good one! Basic LA Jan 2019 #15
both good candidates, but I really think whoever wins needs to look at geography for a VP jcgoldie Jan 2019 #14
You can't have both candidates from the same state. WhiteTara Jan 2019 #17

fleur-de-lisa

(14,625 posts)
2. I think they are fantastic candidates, but they both represent California.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:26 PM
Jan 2019

Isn't that a no-no in presidential campaigns?

SKKY

(11,811 posts)
3. Yea, but I think they're both "national" enough that perhaps the California tag might...
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:27 PM
Jan 2019

...not weigh so much on them.

CincyDem

(6,363 posts)
7. The President and VP can not be residents of the same state...
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:33 PM
Jan 2019


...not sure where these folks keep their legal address. Cheney moved his from TX to WY. Not sure when but it wasn't much before Bush picked him to be VP.

CincyDem

(6,363 posts)
12. After I posted that and read your reply, I did a little more research...
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:47 PM
Jan 2019


https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/16/lawrence-odonnell/president-vice-president-same-state-allowed/


Turns out it isn't a law that they can't be from the same state. Turns out it's an Electoral College issue. President and Vice-President appear to be "elected" on different Electoral College ballots. An elector can cast ONE vote for a resident of their state, but not TWO. If Harris and Swawell are both Californians, then California electors can vote for one but not both of them.

In 2000, had Cheney been a resident to TX, the TX electors would NOT have been able to vote for both W and Cheney so Cheney would NOT have enough cast ballots to become VP. Wouldn't that have been great !!! (Although in Cheney's mind, I'm sure his view is that W would have been the one to NOT get enough votes - but that's a Dick view of the world..lol)

Anyway, just to clarify after a little homework. I always thought it was law so it was worth the research.

Thanks.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
11. Yes, and that was a typically slippery move that the national media ignored.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:45 PM
Jan 2019

IIRC, some rich Republican woman, possibly a donor, bought the Cheney house in a completely transparent ploy, before he "moved" to Wyoming.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
6. I think we'd forfeit our entire electoral college delegates from California.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jan 2019

Which means we would likely lose.

Good idea in theory, though.

OneBlueDotBama

(1,384 posts)
8. It may impact the electoral votes, California has 55, I think
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jan 2019

The framers did anticipate one potential flaw with their electoral mechanism, though: Since each state would likely consider it to be to their advantage for the nation’s chief executive to be a fellow statesman, electors would be tempted to vote only for candidates from their home states. And since every elector would vote for two candidates, and states with larger populations had more representatives in Congress and therefore got to appoint more electors, this process created the possibility that the presidency would be continually held by candidates hailing from a few of the largest states. (Many delegates believed that rarely would any presidential candidate receive a majority of electoral votes, so every four years the House of Representatives would essentially be choosing a president from among the five candidates “nominated” by the three or four states with the most electoral votes.) Therefore, Article II (as well as the Twelfth Amendment, which modified it) specified that electors must “vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves,” a requirement that guaranteed at least half of each state’s electoral votes would be cast for candidates from other states.

This requirement is still in effect today, but confusion arises when people misunderstand it to govern the actions of candidates rather than electors. Nothing in the constitution bars presidential and vice-presidential candidates from the same state from running, being elected, or holding office together; it only bars the electors from their home state from voting for both of them.

For example, suppose the Republican party nominated for their national ticket a pair of candidates who both hailed from the state of Nevada. If the Republican ticket received the most popular votes in that state in the general election, Nevada’s electors could not cast ballots for both candidates — for at least one of the two offices (presumably vice-president), each of Nevada’s electors would have to vote for someone off the ticket who was not a resident of Nevada. Republican electors in every state other than Nevada, however, would be free to vote for both candidates.

Since Nevada has a relatively small number of electoral votes (5), and none of the electors in other states would be subject to the same voting limitation as Nevada’s electors, it’s unlikely this scenario would affect the outcome of a general election. But if the election were very close, or if both candidates came from a state with a large number of electoral votes (such as California or New York), the same-state electoral voting restriction could result in the aforementioned possibility of an election’s producing a president and a vice-president from different parties, so U.S. political parties typically avoid nominating tickets featuring candidates from the same state (even though they are not constitutionally required to do so).

This restriction was an issue in the 2000 presidential election. Dick Cheney, who grew up in Wyoming and represented that state in Congress from 1979-89, had bought a home and registered to vote in Texas in 1995, and after that date he also held a Texas driver’s license, paid Texas taxes, and claimed Texas’ homestead tax deduction. When the Republican presidential nominee, Texas governor George W. Bush (obviously a Texas resident himself), selected Cheney as his vice-presidential running mate in 2000, this circumstance raised the issue of whether Texas’ electors would be allowed to cast ballots for both candidates. Cheney hastily switched his voter registration and driver’s license back to Wyoming, and when three Texas voters filed a lawsuit challenging his claim of non-Texas residency, Governor Bush’s legal team successfully argued in federal court that those factors (among others) were sufficient to establish Cheney as a Wyoming resident.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/favorite-sons/

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
14. both good candidates, but I really think whoever wins needs to look at geography for a VP
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:06 PM
Jan 2019

We need to win MI, PA, and WI... maybe no-one prominent in the field from those states, but someone like Klobuchar would help in the upper Midwest. I don't think California/California is a very good idea.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
17. You can't have both candidates from the same state.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 10:03 PM
Jan 2019

Cheney had to buy that place in Wyoming because he and * were from Texas.

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