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Bye Motherfucker!
MSNBC has reportedly cut ties with political analyst Steve Schmidt because he is advising billionaire Howard Schultz on a possible independent bid for the U.S. presidency.
According to the Free Beacon, MSNBC is dropping Schmidt as a contributor after Schultz this week appeared to be moving forward with his presidential plans.
Earlier this week, journalist Eleanor Clift criticized Schmidt for supporting a possible spoiler in the presidential race.
And the danger is, youre going to elect the candidate you least want to elect, Clift warned on Sunday. Steve Schmidt has spent the last two years kind of apologizing for his role in getting Sarah Palin on the ticket with John McCain.
I think hed think long and hard about being part of another effort that could well turn out not like wants it to, she added.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/msnbc-sacks-steve-schmidt-begins-advising-spoiler-howard-schultz-presidential-run-report/
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samnsara
(17,622 posts)...I liked him! And if ALL the G-D-M-EFFING cable news channels..including MSNBC...would just STFU about Schultz he would probably fade back into the wood work. BUT every GD news show has hosts clutching pearls and wailiiiiiing. Hes making less news here in Wash State where hes from (and yes so what if hes friends with Kenny G...sigh...Im sure he and macklamore have hung out too) than what cable news shows are giving him credit for.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Why? Because tRump hurts the party he believes in. Good riddance.
I can't believe so many people think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Schmidt, Painter, Wallace, all of them will return to the GOP if it ever gains any semblance of sanity again. And if it doesn't they will still all have plenty of negative things to say about the dem candidates & will likely never advocate for voting dem.
calimary
(81,322 posts)Nicolle Wallace maybe? Hmmm... I don't know. I won't be surprised.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)A horse to race. He just happened to oppose Trump so he was (foolishly) accepted as the "enemy of my enemy". No mistake, he IS NOT a friend
erronis
(15,303 posts)I think that is true of almost all operatives and most politicians. It's the race rather than the platform. It's the buck$ to be made and the fine wining/dining.
Too bad there aren't some significant penalties for losing - just like fining atty's for filing egregious suits.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)The bucks are the big motivator.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)the naive belief that he was EVER on our side has been amusing to watch..
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Republicans always care about one thing. Money.
agingdem
(7,850 posts)MSNBC please get rid of Noah Rothman, Bill Kristol, John Podhoretz and all the other "I hate Trump more than I hate Democrats" assholes...
CharleyDog
(757 posts)against taxes (most of all), against voting rights, against school lunches, Public School, want to privatize the public domain, want more money vs the common good, faintly bigoted (they are careful to hide that). They are REPUBLIANS, used to be John Birchers, are Heritage Foundation and Citizen United boosters, not to mention war and torturemongers. Every time I see one of them on MSNBC I boo and throw the dog at the tee vee (no, I don't throw the dog. But he is used to the yelling now).
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Best to remember that their loyalty is conditional.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)This surprises me. Im glad but it still surprises me. Schmidt will be welcomed with open arms by Fux, I would think.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)come back with something like that!
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)He may have burned a bunch of GOP bridges
As well, he has a media conflict of interest helping Shultz get his campaign going - so if there is any relationship, it would be at arms length - Trump and the other GOP power brokers would object
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)He hates trump and fox is busy licking his butt clean every day.
Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)Let Sargeant Schultz take votes away from Trump, not from the Democrats.
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)He's a spinner, his message was getting droned out by those with legal and actual political savvy so he jumped to the next seat with a louder bullhorn and enough cash to keep him happy.
Guess he needs to prove his "independent" cred to himself.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)this is how everything gets shifted to the right..
IADEMO2004
(5,555 posts)Yesterday was all advocate. Fail
Paladin
(28,264 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)Watch Nicole Wallace for her reversion - and remember Big Ed Schultz.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)Rick Wilson?
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)barbtries
(28,799 posts)and quit. he bashed democrats right off the bat. said terrible and untrue things about Hillary. i'll still look at his tweets but he's a republican.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He is a reasonably decent conservative (i.e., not a strong social conservative) by personality. He didn't leave the Republican Party because he had a personality transplant. He left because it became so extreme that it literally became an enemy and has been trying to destroy traditional conservatism as a force.
Now he sees the wheel turn, so h's going to try to elect what looks like another moderate conservative.
So get ready. He's going to let the Republicans drive voters to them from the right. At the same time, he'll join Republicans, Russians, and far left groups in trying to peel voters away from Democratic candidates by all pushing overlapping campaigns of lies and villifications.
What's become the same old.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)are paying Schmidt to keep their greedy control of government?
lark
(23,105 posts)He's in 100% complete denial of reality. Oh, Schultz will never be the spoiler, he'd drop out first. Yeah a founding member of the Billionaire Boys club, who's already attacking many Democrats, but never drumpf or Repugs, is going to get an amazing and unprecedented dose of humility and drop out of the race because he's not winning. What an absolute self-serving lie and how could he even state it on tv proves his unfitness. He is the ass that picked Palin and now he's standing behind another destroyer, Schultz.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:12 AM - Edit history (1)
It was in a cast, but I was not paying attention. nicole waslaughing.
lark
(23,105 posts)Do know he was working hard spreading his BS that no one, other than repugs, would even start to consider as truth.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Backs Schultz, too! I find that hard to believe. She has too much at stake.
lark
(23,105 posts)She was really coming down hard on Schmidt for supporting him and totally, absolutely, did not buy the BS that he would refuse to be a spoiler. I always believe the evidence of my eyes over what "some" of the media says.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)support this, but her near glare at him while listening to his responses.
They're good friends, I get and understand that, but she's not with him on this.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)I found that report hard to believe. I wish I had listened closer.
Have yet to find reports about Schmidt being fired, too.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)RandySF
(58,911 posts)Rhett usually let people go when they join campaigns or become candidates.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)This is my shocked font.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)to advise a RW candidate whose campaign for POTUS lasted less than a week.
Schmidt isnt looking so smart today.
Fla Dem
(23,691 posts)They're only called in when the topic falls into their area of experience or expertise. Just like now we have a lot of former CIA/FBI/Intelligence/Security analysts on because of the whole Mueller investigation. I'm sure they're under contact and are paid very well, but would think many have other jobs.
But you're right, once someone is attached to a candidate/potential candidate, they no longer serve as a analyst, although may be called on to be interviewed in relation to that candidate.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)I imagine Schultz pays well.
rurallib
(62,423 posts)Polly Hennessey
(6,799 posts)Steve Schmidt (reverted back to the dark side); Nicolle Wallace; Rick Wilson; Stephanie Ruhle; Jennifer Rubin. The others will revert, eventually. I really like Jennifer- so smart and an excellent writer. I still remember her scathing columns during the Obama administration.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)dem4decades
(11,296 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)on the right
Taraman
(373 posts)He identifies himself as a political consultant. He was offered big dough for that job. He rationalized that Schultz roughly agreed with him philosophically in that weird mix of cultural liberalism but government conservatism. I see it.
But those two ideas are water and oil. It doesn't work. AOC, Warren, Harris, Sanders and others are pointing out that it doesn't work. The decline of the middle class in America points out that it doesn't work. However, many "independents" in America hold to these defunct ideas.
But I'll miss Schmidt's speechifying.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)too. (i.e. regular order, collaboration). So, makes sense that on the surface, Schultz looked good to him.
The fatal error that Schultz is making (aside from not realizing Trump re-election is too much to risk) is is his understanding of "Independents." It's a flawed idea to think they are truly independent and pick one side one time and one side the next time. There may be a handful like that but most just say "independent" just because it sounds cool and "no one owns me ! " Yet, they vote more one way than another.
Schultz acts like its 42% of the voters that are 100% open and against both parties. #flawedthinking.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Never trust a republican hack.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)a bunch of unwitting "leftists" were fed rightwing doctrine while thinking... ooooh, he really doesn't like trump - yipee!!
This guy thought Sarah Palin was qualified & capable of being this countries VP, a heartbeat away (a guy that died recently), the stress of the presidency might have sped up that demise - let that sink in....
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)the Washington Free Beacon, a right-wing POS rag.
I just looked, and though I may be wrong, at the moment I'm not seeing this reported anywhere else.
Raw Story is a rip-off and click bait "source".
Anyone seeing this anywhere else, to confirm?
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)So sad. I have real admiration for his ideals.
dchill
(38,505 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Will put him in the same category as KA Conway during the campaign.
Mr. Coffee probably gave him a nice contract w/retainer. Once that candidacy folds, he'll jump to another or go back to one of the networks.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But supporting Schultz is a bridge too far. MSNBC did the correct thing.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)his core beliefs are conservative republican beliefs no matter how much he can't stand trump. His attacks on trump are irrelevant to what he wants to accomplish and that is continued republican control of the agenda.
Not to mention conservative politics are his bread and butter. Everyone knows exactly what his core values are with his promoting Sarah Palin. He is the enemy and probably has had quite a few good laughs over progressives warming up to him.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Nicole Wallace had quite an argument with him. Good for her and MSNBC.
Traildogbob
(8,756 posts)The best thing on Steph this AM, besides Chris coming back full time, was the last caller talking about Hucklebutt saying GOD sent trump. "She" is fishing for evilgelicals to stay because they are "Dropping faster than Lindsay Graham at a truck stop". I spewed some fresh ground organic Ethiopian light roast coffee. Was worth the loss for that laugh. We all may just survive this hell because of Stephanie Mueller, uh, I mean Miller.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Some of Steph's regular callers are a hoot. My favorite is Kevin in DC.
Traildogbob
(8,756 posts)Sue in Rockville and so many very bright resisters. And best, she shuts down the Idiocracy platoon. Road Flare Mary and especially freakin Billy from Texas.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Road Flare Mary and Billy from Texas. Haven't heard from those two in a while.
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)Love Carlos on Wednesday Steph keeps me sane, or at least laughing.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Steve is her friend, too.
But then again Nicole worked for GW Bush. She iis not a Democrat .
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)Those words to live by really worry me more than ever now because Mueller is a pubican too.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)B Stieg
(2,410 posts)Another righteous Never-Trumper whose actions speak far louder than his words...
louis-t
(23,295 posts)I don't think he ever switched parties.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)now
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)kentuck
(111,103 posts)Perhaps?
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)No news organization should employ anyone who is on the payroll of a political campaign.
Third does not mean he has to be banned from appearing on the network, just identify him as a campaign consultant for Schultz.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)It's amnesia with some on here. It's like people on here completely forgot what these people did.
Maybe some on here are so desperate that they will clutch to anything. That's a major flaw in some democrats as well as others. Example any republican being elected in the last eight, ten, twenty years etc.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)#noforgiveness
lilactime
(657 posts)aren't trying to get him reelected.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)He is making ads for Democrats.
lilactime
(657 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)if you found any other (reputable) source for this story on which to base your comment that it is "good" that MSNBC fired Schmidt.
I have not been able to find a single corroboration of this story anywhere. I did, however, track it back from parasite Raw Story to Washington Free Beacon, which is not a reputable source and should not be treated as such.
I have posted a couple of times now for another source but it seems like my mic is not working...tap, tap.
lilactime
(657 posts)appreciate being singled out and scolded for replying to it. Good day.
DontBooVote
(901 posts)Good day!
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)You are targeting them and harassing them -- what is your problem?
DontBooVote
(901 posts)foolish. When people ignore the source of a story and then jump on with chart-topping recs and enthusiastic replies, it opens us up for a flood of fake stories to be posted so that any credibility this forum has in the realm of Democratic politics can be shattered as viewed by the rest of the world. It makes it look like we will believe anything. It makes us look exactly like right-wingers looked on facebook for believing all those Russian fake news stories posted to that platform during the 2016 campaign.
Targeting posters? For trying to get them to confirm a story? Targeting? Don't be hysterical. Targeting posters, like you just did to me?
What is my problem? Not confirming a story from a right-wing piece of shit "source"! That what's wrong with me!
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)I searched on the broadest terms -- Steve Schmidt MSNBC and limited the search to News to avoid old pieces and links to what he's said on MSNBC before yesterday. Nothing on his leaving other than the Free Beacon piece. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened but it doesn't mean it has either.
DontBooVote
(901 posts)with your every word, including that it doesn't mean it didn't happen. But look at the replies (and recs) to this story here at DU. I"ve been reading for awhile and one of the things DU takes pride in is not giving in to the likes of parasite Raw Story nor to cheer a piece from Washington Free Beacon, or any other POS propaganda/lie outlet.
How does that look to those looking in and seeing such fervor for an, as yet, unsubstantiated story?
If I were a betting man, I'd bet this probably isn't true because there's no corroboration, as of yet. I'd also bet that, if not true, Schmidt will, perhaps, be back on Wallace's show today to continue defending his decision to throw a wrench into the jet turbine of what is otherwise set to be a Democratic trounce the likes of which we have never seen in 2020.
It's important that we don't allow ourselves to let our guard down and think we can't be bamboozled by tRump/russian dirty tricks just as our, ahem...counterparts...were in 2016.
DontBooVote
(901 posts)isitreal
(25 posts)This man knows money and the power of it. He is forgetting that Business and politics should not mix. Now is the time to give him an education and stop spending money at Starbucks. As soon as he sees a negative to his bottom line he will be reconsidering if this is a wise move for him.
Vote now stop giving starbucks your money.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Which is not to say his fortunes aren't still tied to how Starbucks does, but the guy is a legit Billionaire (unlike IQ45), not going to Starbucks isn't going to stop the guy from running if that's what he wants to do ...
shanti
(21,675 posts)I'd never heard of him before until then. I believe he said he was a former Repuke, but he hates Chump passionately, so I was warming up. I didn't know about his role with Palin. His judgment is suspect now.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)for Alito and Roberts being on that court...................and then for over two years he was being spoken as seeing the light.............................
airmid
(500 posts)he's a Repiblican through and through. I will never trust any of them that remain in the GOP.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)He was part of making MSNBC more like msRNCnbc.
DontBooVote
(901 posts)Habibi
(3,598 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)propaganda rag.
And just look at the reaction to this unsubstantiated story here in this thread! It's almost as if there is no need to vet the story because Raw Story, which steals everything they do, says it's so! Didn't we go through this game in 2016?
Habibi
(3,598 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)CCExile
(469 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)That it is just assumed it would be Democrats that would be most hurt. I understand that he may siphon off votes from some Democrat voters, especially in the south. But why is no one raising the possibility that he'd also take a lot of votes from all those Republicans that couldn't admit they voted for Trump. That might argue in public defending The Wall, or separating families, or a Muslim ban, or any of Trump's agenda....but they don't like the man himself privately. They don't see him as a good leader, as representing their 'family values' community. And are just waiting for any kind of other choice that isn't the GD Democrats.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)I am talking about if he ran as a third party, with Trump as the Republican candidate.
I've said before that Democrats could be in trouble if Trump leaves by whatever means, and a more centrist seeming Republican candidate like Mitt ran. (and maybe that would apply to Schultz) Trump has successfully pushed the limits of the radical right, embracing Nazis, total climate change denial, insulting allies and embarrassing himself internationally, and just his juvenile tweeting and school yard insults. And so ANY candidate that even seems remotely sane, will give Republican voters a new energy. Former Trumpists will still come out, and they'd have a lot of traditional Republican voters coming back, where they may not if Trump was up for a second term.
I think Democrats have focused too much on Trump, the man, rather than Republican, the party. The party he willingly ran under. He is rarely painted as a "Republican". He is still seen as some kind of independent maverick that works closely with Republicans. And Democrats are falling for that trap. It shouldn't be always "the Trump administration" but "the Republican administration". More focus and criticism of what McConnell is doing and less what Trump is doing. I know its hard to do that, especially for news networks, but yes, I fear, just as they did with Nixon, and even with W Bush, Trump will be quickly dismissed and ignored by Republicans leadership if he goes down in flames, and they will pivot and pretend that some new candidate, with the trappings of moderation, is their true face.......honest.
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)right up until the time he drank too much Centrist Flavor-Aide. It is a shame. I really enjoyed his rants. Now, he's just another clueless Conservative. Bye Felecia...I mean..bye Steve!
Democrats_win
(6,539 posts)No one attacks Trump as well as Steve Schmidt. He is so good and funny--it's even better than Trevor Noah or Samantha Bee. We really need some over-the-top commentary on the Trump nonsense.
Still, I was disappointed to see his comments supporting Starbuck's Schultz. We shouldn't be surprised because Schmidt is a conservative. I hope MSNBC can mend fences and just bring him in to talk about Trump.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)pamdb
(1,332 posts)I always kind of liked him, his epic rants about trump. Personally, I think
they should have just waited awhile, maybe not had him on very much. This whole Howard Schultz thing could end in a couple of months, we don't know. Ir just say something like, we cannot have you on while you are running his
campaign, but we'll stay in touch. Something like that.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)get on board with Schultz.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Article on Steve Schmidt firing. I googled.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)(perhaps also: Nicole Wallace, Richard Painter, Rick Wilson, etc) have only been on "loan" to the Democrats because of their hatred of Trump. It was fun while it lasted but they are Republicans - which is their right but they haven't changed their political ideology.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Was on the Bush, Jr. team.
pwb
(11,276 posts)He always talked out of both sides of his mouth.
Owl
(3,642 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)to fire Schmidt.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They probably have a rule that you can't work there at the same time you are working in politics or for a politician. Like they have that rule that you can't donate to a political party.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Fuzzpope
(602 posts)An enemy of the People.
Very disappointing, but not altogether surprising.
DFW
(54,405 posts)And she didn't get it wrong this time.
Her late husband was a good friend of my dad's, and I've known her for about 20 years. Some don't like her cautious stance on some issues, but she is dead on here.
dchill
(38,505 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)How can he not predict this outcome in a three way race.
RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)I wonder if DU would support Schultz if Bernie wins the Democratic nomination? Like they did in the Florida Senate race in 2010. Siding with the 3rd party candidate over the Democratic nominee and helping Marco Rubio win the seat.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)he was one of my favorite republican trojan horses!!