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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSerious question: is there a story in the bible about using the devil to achieve god's kingdom?
After SHS's statement that the almighty wanted 45 to be president, my tin hat is growing, weighing down my head. They do recognize that he's not a Christian and they don't care. Are they following script in which the ends justifies the means?
For all our Christianity knowledgeable DUers out there, please!
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Jesus made that clear.
Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Ever since GWB the power of Evangelicals has been waning. And when the T showed up, they desperately threw themselves at him and tried to co-opt him. They tried to gain some of his political power by declaring him to be one of them.
It never was about religion. It's all about power.
I think they might also see him as a vehicle to their new world order, based on a very distorted form of white Christianity. That's what I'm trying to understand.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)The "end" being them in charge - having the authority to make laws forcing everyone to bow down to their warped sense of how to live. Total authoritarianism.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Jesus cast the demons out a lot. I don't remember that he ever worked with them.
Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)and Satan tempted him with unlimited power and wealth. And he refused it all. Get thee behind me, Satan.
Then there was the time he cast out demons into pigs and ran the pigs over the cliff.
He cast demons out from sick people, too.
And the time he threw the money lenders out of the temple grounds.
Some how Christ's teachings have been completely overlooked.
Aristus
(66,387 posts)Not to Satan, interestingly.
Peter was warning Jesus not to go to Jerusalem, because the Sanhedrin was planning His death. His death is the reason Jesus was going, but Peter didn't know that.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Thanks for the information.
I am Buddhist but I like the Gospel if Thomas. I think it is probably closer to the original sayings.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Thanks! Im tucking that one away.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,734 posts)Thought it gave a pretty good explanation...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211740090
Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)It's terrifying and why Pence must also be removed. I know there are a lot of fundamentalists in Congress. Gulp...
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,734 posts)I think youre correct about pence...but I dont think pence has the same allure as Individual #1 to the group that the article is talking about. Comparing pence to trump with regard to the premise laid out in the article...pence is too moralistic.
From the article
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As the Trump presidency falls under siege on multiple fronts, it has become increasingly clear that the so-called values voters will be among the last to leave the citadel. A lot of attention has been paid to the supposed paradox of evangelicals backing such an imperfect man, but the real problem is that our idea of Christian nationalism hasnt caught up with the reality. We still buy the line that the hard core of the Christian right is just an interest group working to protect its values. But what we dont get is that Mr. Trumps supposedly anti-Christian attributes and anti-democratic attributes are a vital part of his attraction.
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Lars39
(26,109 posts)Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)Slavery, incest, pedophilia, war, massacre, rape and torture all happen for the benefit of Christian gods in the bible. And now we have a possibly brilliant strategist and negotiator being compared to Traitor Trump.
Do Trump's Nazi supporters know Cyrus helped the Jewish people? Wait til they find out.
Religion at its best, justifying the immoral.
Forgot to say thanks for posting this. I wouldn't have known otherwise.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)clothing seem to fit well here.