Were DHS and ICE funding excluded from today's House spending bill?

[lapucelle]

Link to tweet

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr21/summary

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr21/text/eh

[Cha]

1. Looks like it, doesn't it?

And, why did the "one Dem" vote with the Repubs on not ending the Shutdown?

[lapucelle]

3. The C-SPAN graphic says very clearly that DHS was EXCLUDED.

[Cha]

4. Yeah.. so why wouldn't all Dems vote to re-open

the Government?

[lapucelle]

7. Evidently (as explained on Instagram), it was a "nuanced" bill. N/T

[Cha]

11. Okay

[lapucelle]

13. Maybe Cortez's constituents had been calling her office about the bill,

and she voted not to re-open the government due to their concerns.

[onenote]

43. And what would those concerns be?

[lapucelle]

46. You'll have to ask her or whoever fields the phone calls at her district office.

Here's her (now deleted) Instagram post after the vote:

“We didn’t vote with the party because one of the spending bills included ICE funding, and our community felt strongly about not funding that.”

[George II]

20. Sadly people affected by the shutdown are being "nuanced" out of their homes, out of their...

...prescription medication, nuanced into having to take on part time jobs, etc.

And the "nuanced" part of the two bills, funding for ICE, wasn't even included in either bill!

[Cha]

22. Thank You!

[pecosbob]

2. NYP article on her vote...

https://nypost.com/2019/01/23/ocasio-cortez-was-the-only-dem-to-vote-no-on-bill-to-reopen-the-government/

[lapucelle]

5. According to Roll Call

“Most of our votes are pretty straightforward, but today was a tough/nuanced call,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote on her Instagram story showing her walking to House votes with her policy team. “We didn’t vote with the party because one of the spending bills included ICE funding, and our community felt strongly about not funding that.”

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The House on Wednesday also passed, 234-180, a spending package comprised of six bills that members of both parties in the House and Senate negotiated last year. The package provides full fiscal 2019 funding for all non-funded departments other than Homeland Security. Since it includes no funding for ICE, it’s unclear why Ocasio-Cortez voted against it.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/aoc-joins-republicans-voting-house-democratic-bills-reopen-government

[EffieBlack]

8. Sounds like she should get a new policy team

You know, ones who will actually read the bills and advise their boss correctly so she know what she's voting on.

[pecosbob]

9. From the linked article

The bill passed 234-180 without Ocasio-Cortez’s support because it included $1.6 billion for border security-related measures like more immigration judges, investments in ports of entry and assistance for Central America.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/23/ocasio-cortez-was-the-only-dem-to-vote-no-on-bill-to-reopen-the-government/

[TexasTowelie]

28. Please note the use of pronouns.

“Most of our votes are pretty straightforward, but today was a tough/nuanced call,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote on her Instagram story showing her walking to House votes with her policy team. “We didn’t vote with the party because one of the spending bills included ICE funding, and our community felt strongly about not funding that.”

Why didn't AOC write the statement using the pronouns "I" and "my" instead of "We" and "our?" AOC was the lone Democrat that voted against the package so I don't understand the use of those pronouns.

[Amishman]

45. She is referring to her policy team

I wouldn't read anything into that word choice.

My disappointment is the lack of understanding of what ICE does. They are a lot more than just deportations, they need to be funded now and the broken pieces fixed later.

[sheshe2]

6. Dear Goddess.

One Democrat voted no.

[TexasBushwhacker]

12. AOC because it funded ICE

[George II]

21. No it didn't. Neither bill funded ICE.

[sheshe2]

25. Wow.

I just posted this thread.

Chemo or rent.
Chemo or rent. Someone had to make that decision today. #Shutdown

A child is having a temper tantrum. He is holding his breath until you meet his demands. He is holding America hostage and will do so until we the people either kneel to him or take our last breath. Hard to believe a President of the United States has issued the death penalty on us all without judge or jury, his royal self said we should die.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211716970


Well. Fact is I don't like who ICE has become under trump. However I care about the federal workers more. They are NOT GETTING PAID and may not GET BACK PAY.

When you have to take a stand don't do it on the backs of people that are having to make a choice between Chemo or rent...your child's asthma medication or food. O-C believes in medicare for all...just not now.

Please understand what I am saying. We end the shutdown first and then we discuss without the hostage negotiations.

I am saddened she voted to keep the partial closure. I am not sure she is fully aware that Americans are going to die. America finally has won 'choice'. The choice for medication or food and rent...hell gonna add heat in here as well, the choice who will be the first to die, mommy, daddy or boy child, perhaps the baby girl.

I weep for the America Don has given us.

[AlexSFCA]

27. apples and oranges

I care about kids locked up in cages separated from their parents in a state sanctioned child kidnapppig scheme executed by ICE much more than about fed workers missing their paychecks which will be paid back. While all of it is completey deplorable, fed workers are not being sent to concentration camps.

[lapucelle]

33. In this case it was possible to care about both. The bill did not include funding for ICE. N/T

[onenote]

44. On January 15 she voted FOR the exact same bills.

Care to explain?

[Hortensis]

48. Texas, she's supported PREVIOUS bills funding ICE.

Yet she voted against reopening government with the excuse that this bill funds ICE -- which it does not. (How to handle DHS is still being discussed and not in any bill presented yet.)

From Roll Call's article "Ocasio-Cortez joins most Republicans in voting against House Democratic bills to reopen government":

Ocasio-Cortez and some other progressives want to defund or eliminate Immigration and Customs Enforcement. She has supported previous Democratic spending bills that provided funding for the agency.

[brooklynite]

10. ICE was included...

That's why AOC was the one Democratic "no" vote

[lapucelle]

15. Not according to Roll Call...but maybe they didn't read the bill.

The House on Wednesday also passed, 234-180, a spending package comprised of six bills that members of both parties in the House and Senate negotiated last year. The package provides full fiscal 2019 funding for all non-funded departments other than Homeland Security. Since it includes no funding for ICE, it’s unclear why Ocasio-Cortez voted against it.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/aoc-joins-republicans-voting-house-democratic-bills-reopen-government

[George II]

18. No, ICE wasn't included in either bill.

[JI7]

14. it may have been symbolic. if it was closer she probably would have voted for it

[lapucelle]

16. What was it a symbol of? N/T

[George II]

23. She gave a specific reason for not voting for either, but the reason wasn't part of either bill.

[Cary]

26. Or maybe she just looks bad?

[NurseJackie]

39. Symbolic of what? Has anyone heard whether the "Justice Democrats" group has reacted?

it may have been symbolic.

Symbolic of what? Has anyone heard whether the "Justice Democrats" group has reacted?

[George II]

17. From Roll Call:

“Most of our votes are pretty straightforward, but today was a tough/nuanced call,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote on her Instagram story showing her walking to House votes with her policy team. “We** didn’t vote with the party because one of the spending bills included ICE funding, and our community felt strongly about not funding that.”

The first House vote Wednesday was on a stopgap spending bill to open all shuttered departments through Feb. 28. It would simply extend fiscal 2018 funding to keep those government agencies operating, not provide any new funding for ICE or any other agency.

The House on Wednesday also passed, 234-180, a spending package comprised of six bills that members of both parties in the House and Senate negotiated last year. The package provides full fiscal 2019 funding for all non-funded departments other than Homeland Security. Since it includes no funding for ICE, it’s unclear why Ocasio-Cortez voted against it.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/aoc-joins-republicans-voting-house-democratic-bills-reopen-government

**Since only one Democrat voted "No", who are "We"?

[Cha]

19. I was wondering who the "we" was,

too, when I read that.

Thanks for the article.

[OilemFirchen]

24. "...our community felt strongly about not funding that."

Gotta wonder who she believes their "community" is. If it's her 1.9 million Instagramafans, I don't doubt it. If, OTOH, it's her constituents, I'm calling her a liar.

[George II]

34. Instagram doesn't require a location when people sign up:

No city/town
No state
No country

Why would anyone run a poll on a platform like Instagram? It's likely many of those 1.9 million people don't even live in the United States!

[Skidmore]

41. So we are "progressing" from governance by

tweet to governance by Instagram?

[betsuni]

29. Now it seems she deleted the Instagram "Most of our votes are pretty straightforward, but

today was a tough/nuanced call" because of ICE comment. I guess that means she made a mistake.

[Cha]

30. Thanks for the update!

[betsuni]

31. You're welcome.

I hope this isn't what it appears to be, because: pretty embarrassing!

[revmclaren]

32. A pretty big 'OOPS' IMHO!

Not good with next year being a presidential election year. Her district will have a huge turnout compared with 2018. I'm afraid this will come back to haunt her reelection campaign.



ONLY! 2019 and beyond.

[betsuni]

37. Huge Oops!

[Cha]

47. Yeah, Opening the Gov is personal for

me and millions of others, including the Fed Workers. if people get kicked out of their homes and don't have enough to eat because there's no $$$ to help.

I want to know why a Dem wouldn't vote for opening the Gov.. I expect it from repubs.

[George II]

35. Thanks. I've signed up on Instagram but really don't know much about how they work....

....except that it's a global platform, not limited to just the United States.

[betsuni]

36. I don't know anything about Instagram either. When I Googled this story there were

four articles reporting that the Instagram post was deleted.

[Cha]

42. Wow.. that's how you found out.

[NurseJackie]

40. I've always told my boys to admit their mistakes rather than pretend something never happened...

I've always told my boys to admit their mistakes rather than pretend something never happened and hope that it goes away on its own. As children they did NOT appreciate me telling them this, but when they got older, they understood the wisdom that their old mother was sharing with them.

All I'm saying is, that when someone admits a mistake and indicates that they learned something from it... they earn more respect than just glossing over it as if it didn't matter. This is a reasonable way to look at things.

[Gothmog]

38. K&R