In 4 days, Federal Courts will shut down

[berni_mccoy]

The last food stamp payments went out yesterday and on Jan 25, Federal Courts will run out of money and be incapable of operating.

Trump's Shutdown is intentionally designed for this. The "deal" currently on the table is rejected by both parties.

At this point, the only way out is for Congress to pass a veto-proof bill to re-open the government. Moscow Mitch is as well compensated by Putin as Trump is, so Republicans in the Senate are going to have to grow some in order to get a bill to the floor in the Senate. All signs show that they aren't going to do that.

Which means, this shutdown is indefinite.

[gratuitous]

1. The ripple effect of the partial shutdown

Government agencies interact and interface with each other across a spectrum of contacts, directly and indirectly. The longer one part of the government goes down, the more likely it will have an effect on other, fully funded areas. Also, where government and the private sector meet, it has an effect not just on those direct contacts, but secondary and tertiary contacts throughout the economy.

So, what does a way out look like? Hard to say. Like when the Bush administration sent the military into Afghanistan and Iraq, there was no exit strategy, no way to measure "victory." So we had to stay, and stay, and stay, because otherwise the sacrifice of those already killed would be dishonored or something. In the same way, almost no matter what the outcome is that get the government open and working again, the question for the administration is going to be "Why couldn't you have gotten this exact same deal two weeks ago? Or a month ago?

Republicans have painted themselves into a corner, and the American people are quite aware of whose fault all this is.

[bdamomma]

2. What is everyone's breaking point??

cause tRump and his regime are breaking this country. It will start affecting everyone.................he needs to go.

[berni_mccoy]

3. I suspect when airplanes are not allowed to fly.

[bdamomma]

5. Is the Congress even

bothered by this??? this could bring everything down for many many people. We would be all hostages including those Americans who live outside the US.

Would tRump and his regime even listen to airline corporate officials?

[progressoid]

7. I expect we will hear talk of privitizing ATC and the TSA at that point.

[Blue_true]

34. Only a very small percentage of Americans fly.

My guess is that when poor, conservative Whites can't get food assistance is when the damn breaks and Trump works up a fantasy explanation for folding.

[berni_mccoy]

35. What about shipping? Plenty of cargo goes by Air.

Look at what happened when all the airports were shutdown from a week post-9/11. This will cripple our economy.

[Blue_true]

39. Air cargo tends to be the "elite" cargo.

What I mean by that is that dollar/pound it costs a lot more to ship than by truck, or train and same coast Ship.

[berni_mccoy]

37. Also, I'm not sure of your conclusion

Millions of people fly in the U.S. every day. At any given moment there are 5-10 thousand passenger planes in the air in the U.S., each one carrying hundreds of passengers. This is continuous from 6am until midnight every day.

Update: As I suspected, nearly 800 million passengers per year in the US: https://www.transtats.bts.gov

[Blue_true]

40. Just a little more than 2 million people per day.

During each of those days, 328 million people are not flying. I stick by what I wrote. A much larger group of people must feel direct impact from Trump's idiocy.

[berni_mccoy]

41. You're crazy if you think that. Everyone will be affected

Not just people who fly.

Life saving trips, carrying special medicines and organs...

Business sales will be impacted

Peoples vacations they already paid for

2 million people per day who are not the same people every day are going to feel it when it happens.

[Blue_true]

43. I work with numbers. 150:1 say a lot more people that never fly are being hurt.

Every instance you mentioned are nitch, or smallscale situations when compared to the population not in those situations. The overwhelmingly vast majority of cargo travel by ship, then ground transport, air cargo is a high priced, minor segment of cargo.

[shanti]

58. That is my thought too

EVERYTHING goes by air.

[htuttle]

4. Missing one food stamp payment

Will lead to a large number of people being put in the situation of having no food for their children.

What do you think will happen after that?

What would you do?

[gldstwmn]

20. This will have a large effect on the bottom line of the major grocery

stores. People usually start getting their tax refunds sometime in February IIRC. That money not going back into the economy is going to have a snowball effect. It will come down to hitting folks in their wallet to end this. We actually might see an impeachment first. I honestly don't know how this is going to play out.

[MissB]

30. Especially the 2500 or so grocery stores that aren't able to accept

food stamps because the store’s license has lapsed.

[Blue_true]

36. Why did the licenses lapse? nt

[MissB]

42. They were either in the process or due soon.

Not unusual for license renewals.

On edit: since things are shutdown, they can’t renew.

[Blue_true]

48. That is happening with a lot of businesses that interface with the federal government.

I was talking to my next youngest brother a few days ago, he listed a couple of things that had shut down locally due to the shutdown.

[gldstwmn]

46. Definitely. n/t

[joshcryer]

50. For every $1 in SNAP expendature the economy gets $1.70.

Yes, it seems like magic, but that is employees getting paid, workers getting paid, people traveling to the store, and SNAP users buying non-food items while they are shopping for their goods (be it things like toilet paper or whatever). It moves economic activity.

[elmac]

6. and yet wall street is A ok with all of his, guess its worth it to them. nt

[gldstwmn]

21. Actually if the market is an indicator

they are just a scared as the rest of us.

[former9thward]

22. The market has been going up since the shutdown started.

They must not be too scared.

[LanternWaste]

23. Concern is reflected by relatively high market fluctuation potentially causing market instability.

Instability does not necessarily result in downward trends only... regardless of what we pretend they "must think."

[Duppers]

56. Dow dropped 400 pts today.

[AllaN01Bear]

8. the democrats did not start this . trump did . trump did . only he can stop it

whah whah whah whah i wanna wall i wanna wall i wannna wall and i am taking everyone down with it if i dont get my way. whaaaaah. plain and simple

[Duppers]

57. Hampton Roads local news...

Which I very seldom watch, reported the shutdown as "the Democrats shutdown."!!!



Bet other repub areas are doing the same.

[dlk]

9. Mr. "I Alone Can Fix It" Should Get Started

[DENVERPOPS]

10. The only management technique he knows

The only management "technique" he knows, is bankruptcy.

Trump (Putin) is going to bankrupt the U.S. and all the people except the top 1%.......

Even if the shutdown is resolved, the aftershocks are going to be felt for years and years.

WASF

[BigmanPigman]

14. And we all know he has no policies or plans for anything and if

he makes a deal and changes his mind within 24 hours so who wants to make a deal with him anymore? He is the worst politician, worst businessman and most unAmerican POTUS ever.

[dixiegrrrrl]

29. reminder to get any nessacery prescriptions filled now...

and try to get 90 day supply.

Esp. insulin and heart/blood pressure meds.

[RT Atlanta]

11. When to the marches on D.C. happen?

Poor Peoples Campaign amped up a bit....

[Ford_Prefect]

12. This is Grover Norquist's "government you can drown in a bathtub" moment.

It may have begun in error, or not. I have some doubts that conservative talking heads calling Trump a sissy were the only root cause.

My take is that those who steer Trump whether visible or behind the scenes want federal government fundamentally and completely broken. They have used this situation to promote that condition. It may also be they planned it from the beginning as part of a larger strategy to disable Federal influence over domestic and foreign law and events in favor of those who see the planet as theirs to carve up.

I don't believe that every fool decision or statement Trump makes is a product of his dementia, his con man act or his limited understanding of how government works. Nor do I believe he plays 3-dimensional chess in any form.

The MSM is far too distracted by the dancing bear act to look at the larger picture. It must be said that they not to care beyond displaying the sideshow in much that way they have covered the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Infotainment is fed by the spectacle.

If this ends it will be due to someone pulling the strings that run McConnell, or when the dirt on him becomes public.

[Hekate]

13. The plan is to break America on multiple fronts. I can't even ... nt

[MrModerate]

15. Trump wants the courts shut down before . . .

He declares a "national emergency," followed shortly by martial law.

[onlyadream]

16. Holy crap. This is getting really scary. nt

[CrispyQ]

19. He can't go back to his old life. It doesn't exist.

People think it can't happen here even as it's happening before our eyes.

[Initech]

25. Martial law ain't happening.

It requires approval of all 50 states to be able to deploy the military on US soil and given how divided we are now, there is zero chance of this happening.

[MrModerate]

31. You're talking about the old-fashioned pre-Trump martial law. n/t

[roamer65]

47. Yes, there will be instantaneous secession movements.

[cwydro]

32. Oh stop with the martial law stuff.

As a poster pointed out...we’ve got some people prone to panic post.

Don’t be one of them.

[MrModerate]

55. I did my best to pose it as hyperbole, but maybe that wasn't clear. n/t

[Kablooie]

17. How do you win against a psychopath who doesn't care if he destroys the country?

He can hold out forever but Democrats have to stop the carnage at some point.

McConnell is the weak point. They have to somehow make the public seriously blame him.
He seems content with carnage too. That has to be changed.

[triron]

18. We are fucked because it is being ignored that Putin is directing this.

Geesh, it really is so simple, but people refuse...

[dixiegrrrrl]

28. Putin is directing this.

PUTIN IS DIRECTING THIS!!!!

yes....and not in the msm language yet.

[Cold War Spook]

24. Okay corporations like Walmart.

Time for you to step up. Let anyone with any type of food stamp card come in and get their food for free, and government workers who are furloughed or working without pay give them food also. Don't even ask for proof. It is not charity, you are showing the government that it is wrong and immoral. You make enough money off them. And people, let us give to food banks all that we can. Let us show Donald that we will take care of people even if he wont. It is time for the people to take back our country. I am 75 years old and I have never been this mad in my entire life.

[workinclasszero]

26. The GOP "law and order" party destroys the courts

Just like the GOP "moral majority" party destroyed mortality in politics and the GOP"religious" right destroyed vast parts of the Christian church in America!

Oh and the GOP "pro-life" party just had a MAGA/KKK type racial indecent at their latest "Choose Life" rally in Washington DC!

[Initech]

45. They're like locusts. They literally destroy everything they touch.

Elections, religion, the media, the government, the military, tge world... you name it.

[workinclasszero]

54. Like their fuhrer Bone Spurs

Everything he touches turns to shit.

That goes for the entire republican party!

[MFM008]

27. maggot is delighted

this is punishment for those that oppose him.
he doesn't care .

[Blue_true]

38. From what I understand, the large majority of people getting food assistance are working class

Whites. That is a major part of his base. He will actually hurt a lot more of his supporters than the opposite, just like his tariffs are busting up his base.

[Blue_true]

33. How does food stamp payments work?

When is the next payment? My guess is once the poor deplorables start running out of food, big pressure will go on Trump.

[Initech]

44. Woohoo!!!! Time for the Purge!!!!

Oh wait...

[nitpicker]

49. A lot of things go by air

Think about letters, Amazon packages, etc.

Yes, the bulk cargo generally uses ground transport, but what about people who need to mail bills in?

Not everyone has a personal tech gizmo to use for that stuff. They may have a computer at work, but can they afford to have one at home? It's like the presumption by many that "everyone has a vehicle".

[Qanisqineq]

51. As a family relying on the paycheck of a federal worker

The worst part is not knowing how long it will last. Can we ride it out and live on savings? Or will it last so long (2-3 months) we run out?

I am a stay at home mom. I cant find anything in this town with my degree (entomology) and I dont relish the idea of working fast food/walmart when I have migraines and a neck injury. I am not above those jobs, but the bright lights there set me off shaking and a migraine.

Everything my husband hears is that no one will hire federal employees because they'll leave when government reopens. So he hasn't been applying yet.

So, wait it out or what?

[still_one]

53. California is allowing unemployment benefits to be given to federal workers impacted by the shutdown

https://www.10news.com/news/national/gov-newsom-federal-workers-in-california-affected-by-shutdown-can-apply-for-unemployment


The city of San Jose is providing interest free pay to airport workers who are working without pay.

and while unemployement benefits still may not make ends meet, more states are going to have to do something to bridge the gap during the shutdown.

If the shutdown continues much longer, some are going to have to decide if they want to continue to be employed by the federal government in jobs that are affected by the shutdown, or decide if it is time to seek a job outside of the federal government.

That would be especially difficult for those who have been with the Federal Government for a long time, and have accumulated benefits that would all be lost if they should leave.

Not a good situation at all

[still_one]

52. He could do his excutive order, though that would get challenged in the courts