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wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:49 PM Jan 2019

Kamala Harris Was Not a 'Progressive Prosecutor'

from the NYT opinion pages:

Time after time, when progressives urged her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney and then the state’s attorney general, Ms. Harris opposed them or stayed silent. Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.

Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights.

(snip)

Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.

(snip)

And then there’s Kevin Cooper, the death row inmate whose trial was infected by racism and corruption. He sought advanced DNA testing to prove his innocence, but Ms. Harris opposed it. (After The New York Times’s exposé of the case went viral, she reversed her position.)


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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Kamala Harris Was Not a 'Progressive Prosecutor' (Original Post) wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 OP
And she was second in line to deny Franken a fair hearing FiveGoodMen Jan 2019 #1
Agree.. ananda Jan 2019 #6
Who was third in line? Jose Garcia Jan 2019 #38
Not sure. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #60
it seems like she was more concerned with her win rate than justice questionseverything Jan 2019 #2
Wtf do you mean she protected that guy? MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #57
i am not sure common knowledge should require proof but here ya go questionseverything Jan 2019 #62
I'm not seeing the part where she protected the guy. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #66
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #67
And the skeet shoot begins. Squinch Jan 2019 #3
Why have primaries anyway? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #9
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote, so I must assume you are referring Squinch Jan 2019 #13
So you do like skeet shoots wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #27
Have a lovely evening. Squinch Jan 2019 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #52
Sure looks and sounds that way peggysue2 Jan 2019 #19
Yes, and she was also against legal marijuana Merlot Jan 2019 #4
She's now for the jane wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #8
She's progressive enough for me. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #5
Me too... yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #18
She was excellent. She's in my top 5 to support in Primary 2020 emulatorloo Jan 2019 #22
Agreed! yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #24
Are you out of the hospital now? Feeling well, I hope! nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #47
yes out of the hospital yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #48
Glad to hear it. Welcome back! nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #49
The article doesn't even mention her declining to prosecute Steve Mnuchin aidbo Jan 2019 #7
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #43
And so it becomes her turn in the barrel Hekate Jan 2019 #10
Lara Bazelon wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #11
Catholic institutions commenting on whether others are progressive enough is always interesting. Squinch Jan 2019 #14
A Catholic institution did not comment on anything. former9thward Jan 2019 #33
Them's some pretty damn solid bona-fides to be commenting on the subject, I must say ... mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #55
Would it be better if the institution wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #39
Do you believe Catholic institutions should be trusted as arbiters of progressivism? Squinch Jan 2019 #42
You have yet to discuss the contents of the OP. Will you be doing so anytime soon? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #46
Nope. Kamala is a good candidate and I see no benefit in engaging in Squinch Jan 2019 #50
She was progressive enough uponit7771 Jan 2019 #12
Despite this one sided op ed, I'll support Senator Harris in heartbeat. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jan 2019 #15
Same here. we can do it Jan 2019 #16
same obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #30
Still better than Trump Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #17
Frigging EVERYBODY is better than Trump. shanny Jan 2019 #44
A little higher? MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #59
I like her Marrah_Goodman Jan 2019 #20
An negative op-ed. I am sure we'll see a positive op-ed to balance it out emulatorloo Jan 2019 #21
She is currently at the top of my list with Gillibrand and Warren. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #23
She was one of my top two picks, the other safeinOhio Jan 2019 #25
Yes, we should really have Turbineguy Jan 2019 #26
She's in my top 3!! aeromanKC Jan 2019 #28
and yet- she is the elected senator from cali. i'll take this w a grain. mopinko Jan 2019 #29
She has learned from her past mistakes since her current big ideas involve eliminating prisons for TeamPooka Jan 2019 #31
She is my #1 obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #32
Hit piece #1 ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #36
Discussing her history and her stand on issues is tearing her down? Autumn Jan 2019 #41
If Harris Runs for President, Her Record as a Prosecutor Will Be Dissected in the Media dlk Jan 2019 #37
I knew as AG she supported asset forfeiture before being charged with a crime Autumn Jan 2019 #40
It's a big issue in the libertarian fever swamp and the purity folks BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #64
Preach that shit somewhere else. Liberal and progressive voters are capable of caring Autumn Jan 2019 #65
Does she sound shrill? What about her appearance? mcar Jan 2019 #45
I have no problem with women in power. Just this one. And that one. Squinch Jan 2019 #51
I read that in Sen. Graham's voice. Iggo Jan 2019 #58
LOL! Sarandon retweeted this garbage, of course. Maven Jan 2019 #53
Yet she ranks as the most progressive Senator, so nice fuckng try. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #54
Actually that would be Gillibrand oberliner Jan 2019 #63
Having the NYT commenting that a "Candidate from SAN FRANCISCO" is really not all THAT liberal mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #56
I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more from you about how Sen. Harris is a bad choice. DontBooVote Jan 2019 #61

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
2. it seems like she was more concerned with her win rate than justice
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:55 PM
Jan 2019

and she protected that guy that had paid 400 grand on a sexual harassment charge

we can do better

Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #66)

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
9. Why have primaries anyway?
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jan 2019

Just everyone participation trophies so that nobody's fee-fees get hurt.

Squinch

(50,956 posts)
13. Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote, so I must assume you are referring
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:27 PM
Jan 2019

to your own "fee fees."

Response to Squinch (Reply #35)

peggysue2

(10,833 posts)
19. Sure looks and sounds that way
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:52 PM
Jan 2019

Harris isn't a progressive lawyer and Warren and Gillibrand are decidedly not likable. Oh, and Beto O'Rourke 'skipped' town because he's not well versed on . . . anything.

A roaring start!

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
4. Yes, and she was also against legal marijuana
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jan 2019

I'm interested to see if her positions have "evolved" especially regarding criminal justice.

She did to after the banks after the 2008 debacle, with success. There is a lot to like about her, and other things remain to be seen.

That's what primarys are for.

BannonsLiver

(16,398 posts)
5. She's progressive enough for me.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jan 2019

I would gleefully support her in a general election and will give serious consideration to voting for her in the primaries.

Response to aidbo (Reply #7)

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
11. Lara Bazelon
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:20 PM
Jan 2019
Bazelon is a law professor and the former director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent in Los Angeles.


Seems legit to me.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
33. A Catholic institution did not comment on anything.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 08:11 PM
Jan 2019

The writer of the oped piece referenced in the OP teaches at the University of San Francisco School of Law.

Lara Bazelon is an associate professor of law and the director of the Criminal Juvenile Justice and Racial Justice Clinical Programs at the University of San Francisco School of Law. From 2012-2015, she was a visiting associate clinical professor at Loyola Law School and the director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent. Professor Bazelon was a trial attorney in the Office of the Federal Public Defender in Los Angeles for seven years. Prior to that, she was a law clerk for the Honorable Harry Pregerson on the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

https://www.usfca.edu/law/faculty/lara-bazelon

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
55. Them's some pretty damn solid bona-fides to be commenting on the subject, I must say ...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:36 AM
Jan 2019

I like how you keep shit real, 9th ...

Generally, anyways

Squinch

(50,956 posts)
50. Nope. Kamala is a good candidate and I see no benefit in engaging in
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:14 AM
Jan 2019

the self-destructive habit we have of trashing all our viable candidates, especially the women. I AM in the betting pool, however, with "Kamala is Unlikable" being a headline posted here before the end if January. Fingers crossed!

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
59. A little higher?
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:12 AM
Jan 2019

Give me a fucking break.

She pole vaults over any bar set by any Republican and most Democrats.

She ranks as our most progressive Senator. That’s a pretty high bar for everyone else.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
20. I like her
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:55 PM
Jan 2019

Not sure who I will support , but I do know I won't like everything they have ever done. I will support whoever I feel has the best chance to beat Don the Con when the time comes.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
21. An negative op-ed. I am sure we'll see a positive op-ed to balance it out
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jan 2019

Opinions will be coming fast and furious.

A word to the wise, most people respect prosecutors and won’t respond well anything that appears to be one-sided cherrypicking op-Eds.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
23. She is currently at the top of my list with Gillibrand and Warren.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:08 PM
Jan 2019

Looking forward to seeing who all jumps in and how they perform. Maybe Harris needs to go spend a little time with Jim Webb. I have a feeling now she is on the outside that she will propose a pretty progressive agenda in this area.

The opposition is out for Harris and I question their motives. The “not good enough” crowd can go pound sand. Let’s get it on!

aeromanKC

(3,325 posts)
28. She's in my top 3!!
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jan 2019

#2 Actually. No candidate will be perfect or have spotless history. Where do they stand now is what counts. Harris will be a fantastic strong President!!

(She'll be on the ticket)

mopinko

(70,135 posts)
29. and yet- she is the elected senator from cali. i'll take this w a grain.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jan 2019

sounds like a typical prosecutor.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
31. She has learned from her past mistakes since her current big ideas involve eliminating prisons for
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jan 2019

profit and legalizing cannabis.
Remember Obama was against gay marriage when he was elected and then Biden opened the door for him.

Response to wellst0nev0ter (Original post)

dlk

(11,569 posts)
37. If Harris Runs for President, Her Record as a Prosecutor Will Be Dissected in the Media
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 09:20 PM
Jan 2019

Especially, since she is a woman and a woman of color. The media remains the same.

Autumn

(45,109 posts)
40. I knew as AG she supported asset forfeiture before being charged with a crime
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 10:21 PM
Jan 2019

and that was a big issue as far as I was concerned but was not aware of her stand on these other issues. Thanks for the information.

BannonsLiver

(16,398 posts)
64. It's a big issue in the libertarian fever swamp and the purity folks
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jan 2019

Meanwhile, actual voters will care more about her ideas about jobs and healthcare.

Autumn

(45,109 posts)
65. Preach that shit somewhere else. Liberal and progressive voters are capable of caring
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jan 2019

about more than 2 things at a time.

Squinch

(50,956 posts)
51. I have no problem with women in power. Just this one. And that one.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:16 AM
Jan 2019

And the one over there.

Besides she's not likeable.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
56. Having the NYT commenting that a "Candidate from SAN FRANCISCO" is really not all THAT liberal
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:43 AM
Jan 2019

Is actually not going to be detrimental to her chances in the General, should she win the primary ... and she'll have plenty of time to prove her progressive bona-fides to us primary voters in the meantime, and I'm sure has many other progressive laurels already in the bag.

Generally-speaking, when Dems win POTUS, it's because they appear moderate and have broad appeal.

'A tough-nose prosecutor' is a nice counter-balance to 'ZOMG SF LIBERAL!1!!' for the moderates/indy types that you need to win POTUS.

Just sayin'

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