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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat one single action could have prevented election of Trump?
Say you have to advise a time traveler, to go back and alter just one simple thing to prevent today's situation.
For example, would it be something to change Trump's mind about running? If so, would Putin then have time to elevate another of his compromised GOPers, that would then be elected by much more vote hacking?
I believe the best action, with the fewest unintended consequences, and with little time left until election day, would be the most obvious one: Comey. Just get him to change his mind and not read that letter.
Can you think of any other ones? If someone were writing a script ala "1963" (James Franco), and you were an advisor and needed to provide clever twists on what would have changed history, what would you suggest?
SWBTATTReg
(22,143 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)AndJusticeForSome
(537 posts)One time traveler gets to try to change things.
dem4decades
(11,297 posts)AndJusticeForSome
(537 posts)Ferryboat
(922 posts)It would have been more effective if Murduchs daddy did the same.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Her lead in critical swing states evaporated after that, and Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by incredibly slim margins. I have no doubt the letter likely swung those states.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)falls and breaks a knee getting the Comey letter over to the NY Times or Washington Post or wherever it was published and the letter falls out of his briefcase and down a sewer.
If you look at the daily tracking polls, Clinton had just broken past 50% for the first time and led Trump 51-38% after Lil Donny embarrassed himself in the 3rd debate. Her lead was surging. If nothing changed, it likely would have kept increasing by small amounts.
The day after the letter was released, it was 44-43% for Trump, a 14 point swing in ONE DAY! While Clinton recovered a few days later and had a small lead, it just wasn't the same.
dalton99a
(81,519 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Like a week before the election, loudly proclaiming that Trump was attempting to make him (Cohen) break Election Finance laws by secretly paying off, through phony shell corps, a Porn Star that Trump boned while Melania ... was at home with newborn Barron ...
I'm thinking that could've been big enough to swing the deal, esp. if it got enough press. Oh, and he had tapes to prove it and they got played on the news.
By the time it became truly factually known, he was already 'elected' and people had suspected/known it was true for like a year. Impact was completely dulled.
AndJusticeForSome
(537 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)evangelicals voted heavily for Trump, but I got a feeling that a good amount of them held their noses and voted for him. yes, they've been happy since the election because of RW judges and the transgender military ban, but before the election, it was a little different. Or at least I got that feelling.
if Cohen came forward with tapes the day before the Comey letter, it likely would have killed Trump's chances. (not to mention if Cohen has evidence of the up to 8 rumored abortion payouts were true...)
Even 5 or 10% of the evangelicals staying home or voting 3rd party likely swings PA, WI and MI to Clinton, and maybe Florida or NC?
Baitball Blogger
(46,737 posts)fair and told us there was an investigation on Russian interference.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)...the tip of the inflamed boil, and had he been removed at early point in his career, the disease that caused him would have spawned someone else.
In the current context, we have to ask about the disease that now infects America and who else it might spawn.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,371 posts)Ensuring we had a strong, cutting edge SECULAR public school system from the 1940's through today.
A largely ignorant, uninformed and disinterested population gets exactly the government it deserves.
AndJusticeForSome
(537 posts)It's obviously what we needed, but how can one person set that in motion?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,371 posts)So now we are into multiple items, but there you go.
JonAndKatePlusABird
(312 posts)......then preventing John Wilkes Booth would be the main priority.
Brawndo
(535 posts)Defunding public education and not teaching civics for decades created an ignorant electorate that would be susceptible to propaganda and therefore, a demagogue.
bdamomma
(63,877 posts)would have helped us but people voted in a TV scumbag who doesn't know shit about politics, or the Constitution, or how the world works.
I hate the fucking thing, there is no good reason why he is still holding us and the office hostage. Just go.
Brawndo
(535 posts)Providing a quality public education, including civics, would've prevented the strain of anti-intellectualism from growing in America. They conflate competency/qualifications with elitism. I doubt they would apply the same "logic" to picking a surgeon to operate on them.
bdamomma
(63,877 posts)DU!!! Yes, they have been "dumbing down the masses" for many years. It's their way of manipulating and controlling people, thrown in propaganda and fear, right wing radio and there you have it. Their greed is another factor, why not work together as one people?? we would be a fine tuned machine, but there is that selfishness I got mine, you get yours mentality, and they do not live by the Golden rule.
I finished my rant.
I agree. At least most of his base are of senior age, this is a problem which will fix itself. Tick tock...
Hekate
(90,714 posts)When the convention finally took place they had one last chance to put country over party by having a knock-down drag-out fight behind closed doors and then on the floor to stop Donald Trump for being anathema to traditional conservative values and for being corrupt and utterly unfit for the office.
(If they really wanted someone to manipulate, they could have chosen spineless Mitt Romney.)
You think that in itself is corrupt and against the "will of the people"? That's what "party fathers" are for: to be one last check on the will of the mob.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)I know this is complex and highly political - but there was a lot they knew, and they were too cautious with how it was handled.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)Settles down with a local girl and never comes to the Americas.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)fierywoman
(7,686 posts)obscene profits.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)They are corporations.
And a corporation's only purpose is to rake in cash from wherever and hand it over to do-nothings that have bought stock.
Fiduciary Responsibility essentially outlaws any kind of moral behavior on their part.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Nobody ever said corporations were gods blessed child. Set up a business the old way and do it the hard way. So then when youre rich, and tell everyone how hard you work, it'll be true.
Deb
(3,742 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)That would sealed the deal
Hekate
(90,714 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Break in to the office of of Christopher Steele and get a copy of the dossier and drop it off at the Washington Post.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)should have either cut Huma loose after the first signs of Weiner's egotistic perversions came to light, or insisted that Huma cut Weiner loose immediately, if she wanted to still work for her.
Then, the laptop would have never figured into this. But, I still don't think that would have made a difference in the result.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)If she had not run, and if those votes had gone to Hillary in PA, MI and WI, she would be President today.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)and everybody who voted for her knew that. Johnson would have picked up those votes, because Stein and Johnson were a way of saying "none of the above", while still being able to vote on down-ballot races.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)Probably prevents either Trump or Bernie from running, in which case Hillary would be President.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)in order to ENTHUSIASTICALLY support Hillary, so that millions of his young supporters weren't disappointed when the convention arrived and it finally became clear to them that nothing would overturn the primary results.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)but I think my runner up (by a whisker) would be Bernie behaving towards Hillary the way Hillary did towards Obama - leave the race earlier, and come out and give a fired-up speech at the convention about the candidate. Instead, he sat there glowering and refusing to do anything while his supporters harassed civil rights heroes and put tape over their mouths.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)actually it is Trump's DADDY"S fault. He created the monster who is today in the WH
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Tiffany is the lucky one because she was never a favorite of DT's.
earthside
(6,960 posts)If Hillary Clinton had done the right thing and not sought the Democratic Party nomination in 2016, Trump would not have been elected.
An open field in 2016, in my opinion, would have produced a woman nominee that would have easily won the general election.
shanny
(6,709 posts)I think even a different choice for veep could have done it.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)When complex systems fail there are almost always multiple factors. There might be a publicly disclosed single reason but any good organization goes after all the reasons.
It might be comforting to think we can just fix one thing like removing trump but well still have the systemically broken gop. Well still have a system where 90+% of wealth is taken by less than ine percent.
Dont take this as defeatist. You often cant fix hard problems in one go. Ill almost always take motion over stagnation. Once you have motion you can direct it towards progress. Bold steps are easier when you can see you are heading the right way.
Perrenial Voter
(173 posts)potentially kept this from happening. For one, if Dems had decided to either impeach or prosecute Bush and Cheney for their crimes, I doubt Trump would have ever run. If he thought high-level politicians were subject to prosecution, and understood the kind of scrutiny he would be under, he would have been crazy to run -- or else, Putin had something really, really bad he was holding over his head.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)He would order Mrs. Fred to abort immediately.
To be fair, he did in fact turn out to be quite defective.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)iamateacher
(1,089 posts)If Comey had stayed out of it. Also if Nunes had stayed out of it, but that was impossible.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)The rethugs should not have taken him seriously as a viable candidate for the office of President. He had no political experience and at best he was a mediocre reality TV host.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but for obvious reasons, I think it's best that I just keep my mouth shut and my keyboard fingers motionless. People who know me have a good idea of what it is I'm thinking anyway.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)Trumpy was very happy to be a "TV Star" and just threaten from afar to run for president, I wish he had just stayed on television.
lastlib
(23,250 posts)Problem solved.
woofless
(2,670 posts)decides to forgo another run.
inchhigh
(384 posts)akraven
(1,975 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)something I have not seen get much discussion was the decision not to release the Wall Street speaking transcripts. Every time donald was asked about his taxes those damn transcripts came up. She already had released her taxes and was 100% more transparent than him so it isn't fair that she should be asked for more. If she had posted the transcripts it could have made a very clear line and his push back might not have been given the legitimacy that it kept getting.
I know we are only supposed to list one, but I can think of another thing. When Secretary Clinton said that half of donald's supporters were deplorable she got a lot of guff from Democrats while donald's supporters were making it clear that the estimation of half was far too modest. It would have been nice if the Democratic party could have stood with her and said something like it seems the deplorable component of donald supporters is much higher than originally estimated.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Then the SD would have used them to answer FOIA and Congress. We might never have heard private server accusations and no question of confidential or secret emails. Remember nothing in any email, likely to meet any request, was controversial.
No email scandal means no Comey investigation and no monthly dump of new SD emails, which HRC asked happen maybe because she knew otherwise Republicans would leak only negative ones.
The story and how she handled it hurt her in spring 2015. Her favorable never recovered.
smb
(3,473 posts)Set him up with a bimbo, slip him some stomach-cramping bad oysters, whatever.
diva77
(7,643 posts)-voters were purged from the rolls
-gerrymandered districts favoring rethugs and where machines were deployed and functional
-malicious code altering votes cast and tabulated
-disinformation
-Voter ID laws
-nonverifiable DREs
-Optical Scanners
-Central Tabulators
-Condensed precincts
etc. -- am sure I left out several
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)instead of free air time every day
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)If there was no butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County, there there would be no W, Iraq War, Citizens United, gutting of the voting rights act or CJ John Roberts.
Polybius
(15,437 posts)There is no guarantee that Gore would have been re-elected. 12 year one-party rule is very uncommon. 16 year one-party rule hasn't happened since FDR. And even Gore was re-elected and got to appoint two liberal SC Justices, it would be almost certain that a Republican would have won in 2008 and appointed the other two that retired in Obama's term.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)No Benghazi, no emails, no Comey
Polybius
(15,437 posts)I loved the job she did as SoS and loved Biden as VP, but in hindsight, picking her as VP would likely have won 2016.
BluesRunTheGame
(1,616 posts)Mariana
(14,858 posts)If they want to preach politics, they should pay taxes.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)although no one every seems to enforce it.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Many, many Christian churches defied the law and told their congregations straight out to vote for Trump. Many more were careful with their language, but still made it perfectly clear which way they expected their members to vote. And it worked. The majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)And they DON'T enforce it.
During Dubya's reign, there was some church that kicked out anyone who didn't vote for Bush.
shanny
(6,709 posts)gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)and Comey coming clean on investigating trump
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)Voting rect.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)opposition because your favorite wasnt the nominee.
trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)**** like humpty dumpty****
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)but if Hillary had chosen a person of color to be her VP nominee instead of probably the most boring man in Virginia, things might well have turned out differently. We'd have picked up votes in a number of Rust Belt states that would have denied Trump his victory.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Propaganda and the loss of the Fairness Doctrine.
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)eom
Talitha
(6,593 posts)Not only for presidential candidates, but for ALL people seeking public office.
IMO, if you're not willing to be investigated, we don't want you running our country.