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I know everybody has one of these in their family, but I have to rant.
So my wifes sister and her husband, my dear brother-in-law, came to visit us this week. Now theres a mixed blessing.
Rob is a one of those guys who always voted Republican, and now considers himself to be a libertarian. He's been slowly going off into the deep end of the pool over the last few years. Heres a guy who probably hasnt paid Federal income tax (he lives in a no income tax state, of course) in at least thirty years, and yet bitches incessantly about taxation. He pays property tax, and when he has to, sales tax. Period. If he could figure out how to get out of those, he would. Taxes are for suckers, according to Rob.
I generally tune him out, or try to. I dont watch MSNBC, let alone Current TV, when hes around. I basically de-news the house, so I wont have to listen to his comments/rants.
This time I actually tried to figure out what he was thinking and tried to listen to what he was trying to say. It boils down to this:
He wants no government. Not limited government, NO government. He claims we dont need it. We could police ourselves, put out our own fires, teach our own kids, and generally get by just fine, thank you, without any form of government at all. According to Rob, all governments, everywhere, throughout history were corrupt, thieving and unnecessary.
He says he just wants to be left alone. He completely and utterly rejects the Social Contract. He just simply doesn't give a crap about anyone or anything but himself. He is the epitomy of "I've got mine".
This is a guy who is so angry at everyone and everything, it comes down to that he entirely rejects society, and thinks that this idea would work out just fine.
Oh, his kids went to public school, and were eligible for two years free tuition at college. He drives on public roads. The cops and firemen protect his business and equipment and his home, but he doesnt want to pay for any of this. When wildfires threatened his house earlier this year, and the BLM and Forest Service put the fires out, he didnt pay a dime. Not one dime. His drinking water is clean, and he breaths clean air, because the guy who owns the land behind his house cannot open a smelter, because the EPA wont let him Rob didnt pay for that, either. In fact, he wants the EPA (and every other state and Federal agency) to go away.
Somehow, and he never says just how, he could take care of everything quite well on his own, if "they" would just leave him alone.
So when you get to the bottom of Rob, the real nitty-gritty core, what youve got is an angry, greedy, white guy who has ideas so cynical, irrational, impractical and juvenile as to defy imagination.
Now that I fully understand what hes getting at, I will be able to tune him out just fine.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,642 posts)Have you ever asked him why he isn't living in Somalia? No functioning government there...
CanonRay
(14,105 posts)He said his "idea" had never been tried, and I told him it's being tried right now in Somalia, and he should check it out. He had no answer. HIs philosophy isn't really a philosophy, it's anger turned outward, IMHO. I think this might cover a lot of Libertarian thinking.
JHB
(37,161 posts)"True communism has never been tried" went the refrain. And in a strictly academic sense it's probably even true. But so what? In reality the gap between theory and implementation produced several mass-murdering police states.
His "idea" produces just what is seen in Somalia: a bunch of petty tyrants and their henchmen grabbing whatever they can force from people who would be happy to just be "left alone", using what they get to try to one-up each other, and anyone caught in between pays the price.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"Too many Black people."
Because everyone knows that after centuries of pre-colonial co-existence without "governments" per se, the Black Africans, alone, spoiled the libertarian utopia.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)And you're absolutely right -- it is really easy to tune them out.
FLyellowdog
(4,276 posts)Sounds like he's still a republican.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,749 posts)How about this: tell him you've located the perfect Libertarian paradise, and that he should move there at once. This country has no functioning government, no busybody agencies like the EPA to enact annoying regulations; nobody collects taxes or enforces laws; everybody is left alone to do pretty much what they want. And everybody can have all the guns they want, too.
This would be Somalia.
You could even offer to buy him a one-way ticket to Mogadishu.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)He's not a libertarian; he's an anarchist.
Turbineguy
(37,353 posts)as well as his philosophy. It is based on the notion that you don't have to consider what motivates peoples' behavior. So in an ideal world, both systems would work. But in a real world, they don't.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)BlueNinja
(25 posts)Tikki
(14,558 posts)It's a place to live...sorta.
Tikki
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)He's not living in this world. He's just living in his mind......Sad
lob1
(3,820 posts)In fact, you can't get away from the white.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)I respect their anti-socialism.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)to manipulate, blame, and harm.
Even Ted Kaczynski had to "reach out and touch" others
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Who is going to protect his precious property without the State?
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)is his income that miniscule?
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)Everyone has to pay federal income tax. Georgia, where I live has a state income tax, which I had to pay throughout the year. But I always got a refund at the end of the year.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)CanonRay
(14,105 posts)and writes everything, and I mean everything, off. He's found less oil than leaked from my '65 Chevy.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)...and leave him in the woods. He might appreciate civilization a little more if he didn't have it for a couple of days.
Of course the pesky government search and rescue people would ruin everything. Damn government.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Might cost you some money initially, but once he goes off the grid, it will be worth it.
Autumn
(45,109 posts)tuition at college?? What the fuck is the idiot pissed about?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and a lot of RWers are Anarchists. He is not alone.
Vinca
(50,282 posts)Smilo
(1,944 posts)him - it amounts to "oh woe is me because..." they have some slight they won't get over. They blame everyone and when the perceive that someone is getting more in handouts than they are well that is just the government running amok and giving away "their" money.
These are the type of people who would find a penny on street and complain it was not a dollar.
They will never be happy.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)locks
(2,012 posts)I know someone like that. Except he is more scary because he believes he has to have guns with him at all times including in schools, hospitals, movie theaters, and friends' homes in order to protect himself from the government and his family from all the crazies who believe in the Social Contract.
patrice
(47,992 posts)likely to have never made one phone-call to an elected official about legislation, or written one letter about an issue.
Yes, I know the profound power of corporate personhood, but how did we get here?
Blanket generalizations about millions of government employees implied in "lying government", coming from people who very likely have not fulfilled their own civic responsibilities, but are quite comfortable calling people they never met and about whose government jobs they know extremely nothing really make me sad.
How are we ever going to address authentic criticism of what our government is and how it functions if too many of us continue to live in this la la land in which the expectation is that "government" should read our minds perfectly and enact perfect laws and design perfect programs, without any effort on our part other than the willingness to punish anyone and everyone else and do anything and everything to avoid the hard work of citizenship ourselves.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Like the 19th century west. But then you had to worry about protecting yourself. From everything. He's taken it all for granted to the point where he thinks nothing bad would happen. Nobody would cheat him, steal from him, kick him from his house, etc. Because it doesn't happen now.
rug
(82,333 posts)mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)After all, that is just legitimizing their power!
Seriously, though, hope he doesn't vote. Its people like him who make life harder on themselves and everyone else.
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CanonRay
(14,105 posts)I think she can't stand the SOB, but tolerates him for reasons beyond my understanding.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)count on it