The Pain of Trump's Shutdown!?

[busterbrown]

Would it might be wise for the Dems. to come up with a number say 3.0 billion for the asshole's Wall?
Too many Americans are being devastated by Trump's Bullshit.. He's a Lunatic...and probably will never back down..I think this play... would perhaps help the Dems.. downline... 2020 Elections?

Playing with People's Lives.... is a very tricky deal... I think the Dem's coming to the table with an offer will back the shithole (Trump) into a corner.. The danger of a catastrophic event caused by the Shutdown, will be devastating...Plus all those who rely on the govt. for. Housing, food, and other assistance programs are in real danger of ending up in the streets...

What do ya think.. ?

I'm not sure myself.. Thats why I am asking!

[Claritie Pixie]

1. No. Can't give in to extortion.

If Dems give in and give him wall money, what will he extort next?

[Blue_true]

13. Give in once, face the same tactic on every issue.

Trump is a sick individual, he does not care about ruining people's lives, he has a history of that. If democratic leaders give in some on the wall and get nothing in exchange but workers going back to work and getting paid, when Trump demands something else he will simply shutdown the government in an attempt to get his way and nothing else.

Now, if it is a deal for $5.7 billion in exchange for workers going back to work AND a permanent green card for Dreamers with a path to citizenship attached AND democrats get a demand that the sections of wall that are built have their locations chosen by a panel of recognized experts on border security, then democrats should jump at that with both feet. Such an agreement gets workers back on the job and solves the concerns of Dreamers AND actually helps border security (as opposed to Trump's slight of hand).

[rurallib]

2. My opinion: First end the shutdown and get people paid

then go into negotiations.
Be very careful giving into anything. Shutdown and lockout will become (actually has become) another tool for Trump to get his way. He will use it often if it gets him what he wants.

Since the fence is so useless they should give nothing.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

3. "Sir, I have a message from Bastogne."

[Initech]

4. No, *ZERO* money should go to the wall.

After all he's been saying that Mexico was going to be paying for it. Remember promises made, promises kept!

[Blue_true]

14. If democrats get people back to work, Greencards and a citizenship path for Dreamers

and a say in where the wall sections are built, I say jump at that, if the price is $5.7 billion, even $10 billion.

[left_of_center]

5. Gotta stop the bully now.

If democrats give in, he'll just keep doing this. He's the problem, not the democrats.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. OK, what's to stop him from trying this trick next month and the month after that, etc.?

[SWBTATTReg]

12. I agree exactly 100% w/ you! If you give in once, then rump will do the same thing again and ...

again...being that this seems to be the only way that he can govern. His own party, being in control of everything for two years couldn't get crap done except the tax cuts that they wanted to award their donors w/. Pathetic and makes it pretty clear whom the repugs support...

[TygrBright]

7. Not. One. Effing. Nickel. n/t

[wendyb]

8. pain of shutdown

NO....if we give in this time, next time it will be the Affordable Care Act or Medicare..he'll see that his fucking tantrum works...
Once the airports are no longer functioning or causing serious problems....this will end.

[at140]

9. The evil plan is to continue the shutdown until federal workers

Are forced to find other job to feed their families, and then privatize everything.
If the Wall was his main objective, he could have declared national emergency.

[Sugar Smack]

10. No.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. No negotiating with terrorists! Not one penny! Hold the line!

There's a lot of brave posting, I suspect mostly from people not immediately and directly impacted by the shutdown. I am not personally affected because Medicare and Social Security are still running. But I'd say let's give him 5b for his stupid wall, as if anything will actually get built on land seized by eminent domain after years of court fights.

Get people back to work, back to getting paid, pay the ransom no matter the hurt to our pride.

Trump and his inner circle are happy to watch the suffering of federal workers, as if they were bugs on their backs struggling to get upright.

[Progressive Law]

15. Normally, I would say it's time to negotiate. But Trump doesn't negotiate in good-faith. NT

[pansypoo53219]

16. the wall? no, bridges in need of repair? yes. give him a beautiul infrastructure bill.

[tinrobot]

17. Release the hostages, then we'll talk.

Not one dime for the wall until he reopens the government.