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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:28 AM Jan 2019

28 years ago today; The beginning of the 1991 Gulf War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War



The Gulf War (2 August 1990 – 28 February 1991), codenamed Operation Desert Shield (2 August 1990 – 17 January 1991) for operations leading to the buildup of troops and defense of Saudi Arabia and Operation Desert Storm (17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991) in its combat phase, was a war waged by coalition forces from 35 nations led by the United States against Iraq in response to Iraq's invasion and annexation of Kuwait arising from oil pricing and production disputes.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Early_battles

The Gulf War began with an extensive aerial bombing campaign on 16 January 1991. For 42 consecutive days and nights, the coalition forces subjected Iraq to one of the most intensive air bombardments in military history. The coalition flew over 100,000 sorties, dropping 88,500 tons[clarification needed] of bombs, and widely destroying military and civilian infrastructure. The air campaign was commanded by USAF Lieutenant General Chuck Horner, who briefly served as US Central Command's Commander-in-Chief – Forward while General Schwarzkopf was still in the US.

A day after the deadline set in Resolution 678, the coalition launched a massive air campaign, which began the general offensive codenamed Operation Desert Storm. The first priority was the destruction of Iraq's Air Force and anti-aircraft facilities. The sorties were launched mostly from Saudi Arabia and the six carrier battle groups (CVBG) in the Persian Gulf and Red Sea.

The next targets were command and communication facilities. Saddam Hussein had closely micromanaged Iraqi forces in the Iran–Iraq War, and initiative at lower levels was discouraged. Coalition planners hoped that Iraqi resistance would quickly collapse if deprived of command and control.

The air campaign's third and largest phase targeted military targets throughout Iraq and Kuwait: Scud missile launchers, weapons research facilities, and naval forces. About a third of the coalition's air power was devoted to attacking Scuds, some of which were on trucks and therefore difficult to locate. US and British special operations forces had been covertly inserted into western Iraq to aid in the search for and destruction of Scuds.

Iraqi anti-aircraft defenses, including man-portable air-defense systems, were surprisingly ineffective against enemy aircraft and the coalition suffered only 75 aircraft losses in over 100,000 sorties, 44 due to Iraqi action. Two of these losses are the result of aircraft colliding with the ground while evading Iraqi ground-fired weapons. One of these losses is a confirmed air-air victory.

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Wasn't it April Glaspie that told Iraq that we didn't really have an opinion whether Saddam took action against the Kuwaitis' "slant drilling" into Iraq's oil fields? And come to find out, we had a very strong opinion about it?
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28 years ago today; The beginning of the 1991 Gulf War (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2019 OP
I was in the Army underpants Jan 2019 #1
The first hit of the modern war drug.... HopeAgain Jan 2019 #2
Not far from the truth zipplewrath Jan 2019 #17
My son was an infant Freddie Jan 2019 #3
I think I still have that on a VCR tape somewhere. BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #4
I was in a small, midwestern newspaper newsroom helping read copy... Dennis Donovan Jan 2019 #5
It was a long week! BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #6
One of your CNN clips featured the late John Holliman... Dennis Donovan Jan 2019 #7
Yup remember him well BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #10
That's when Geraldo distinguished himself as a republican a-hole supreme Achilleaze Jan 2019 #20
.... BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #21
I do too. It happened fast. At dinner we were shocked. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #8
They were under a table or something BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #11
stupid and useless war against a defenseless 'enemy'. KG Jan 2019 #9
As I recall, sarisataka Jan 2019 #18
I remember arguing with a conservative exboyfil Jan 2019 #12
I was in the Army atreides1 Jan 2019 #13
Fucking Desert Storm. Ilsa Jan 2019 #14
the first Bushwa Blues Heron Jan 2019 #15
I remember it quite well sarisataka Jan 2019 #16
Yikes RobinA Jan 2019 #19

underpants

(182,830 posts)
1. I was in the Army
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:32 AM
Jan 2019

The wall went down and I figured "Hell what could possibly happen now".
Never deployed. They asked for volunteers once and not a soul in my unit stepped forward - it was a really bad unit.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
2. The first hit of the modern war drug....
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:35 AM
Jan 2019

"Clean," fast, lots of technology and a high America has been chasing ever since.

Edit: An addiction that has brought disastrous results, I might add.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
17. Not far from the truth
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:03 AM
Jan 2019

There are no clear lines on these things, but the Gulf War clearly demonstrated how few entities had the training and weapons to resist us in any clear manner. We created the "asymmetry" that is often discussed. As such, any entity we engage is left with few options other than those that challenge us to allow ourselves to use our power with the subsequent consequences.

In Iraq, the second time around, it was IED's because it forced us to chose between risk, and harming civilians. With the Syrians it became a case of would we let ISIS kill the locals, or would we as "collateral damage". It's put a greater pressure on our "special forces" which can be a bit more discrete and tactically precise (i.e. when we killed Bin Laden). It has also allowed us to fight greater "secret wars" in which actions are taken which are never reported publicly. But even worse, we have increased our sensitivity to casualties on our side, and occasionally decreased our sensitivity on the opposing side.

By the by, the Taliban understand all of this and how to leverage it against us.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
3. My son was an infant
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:36 AM
Jan 2019

Would get up early to feed him and watch CNN. He’s 28 and in grad school now. Bush I was so popular I remember reading that he’s practically guaranteed re-election. That changed fast.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
5. I was in a small, midwestern newspaper newsroom helping read copy...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:59 AM
Jan 2019

My ex was a reporter there so they were busy with the breaking news and needed a fill-in copy reader. And I went out and got pizza for everyone. It was a long night.

BumRushDaShow

(129,121 posts)
10. Yup remember him well
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:41 AM
Jan 2019

along with Bernard Shaw, Peter Arnett and Christiane Amanpour.

The most hilarious to always see in vintage footage though is the Wolf Blitzer, who along with Richard Roth and Jeanne Moos (who covered the U.N. back then), are (I believe) the only ones left (on-air) from that period.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
8. I do too. It happened fast. At dinner we were shocked.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:15 AM
Jan 2019

Didn't Bernie Shaw like, climb under a desk in his hotel room and had to be coaxed out? I mean, he was terrified and he was a reporter there for that purpose specifically.

BumRushDaShow

(129,121 posts)
11. They were under a table or something
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:43 AM
Jan 2019

and reported with audio-only.... and I think they attempted to peep out the window a few times.

KG

(28,751 posts)
9. stupid and useless war against a defenseless 'enemy'.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:19 AM
Jan 2019

and the general hailed as a hero for winning against a military with ww2 era tanks and no air force.

sarisataka

(18,667 posts)
18. As I recall,
Reply to KG (Reply #9)
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:06 AM
Jan 2019

The Iraqi army was repeatedly touted as the 4th largest army in the world at that time and was "battle hardened " from their war with Iran. They were not considered "defenseless" (and it was their agression that set up the situation)
None of their equipment was ww2 era, the T72 was the best available Soviet made tank. In 1990 they had over 900 combat aircraft.

You may consider it stupid and useless, the Kuwaitis had a different opinion, but please use facts not false hyperbole.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
12. I remember arguing with a conservative
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:46 AM
Jan 2019

That the war was going to cost a trillion dollars. He said i was crazy. I was sadly off by a factor of three. We spent the Social Security Trust Fund in Iraq.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
13. I was in the Army
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:51 AM
Jan 2019

Stationed at Schofield Barracks in Hawaii...I remember I was gaming and got a phone call! Told to report to Battalion HQ...they were looking for volunteers in my MOS...for some reason I didn't hesitate to raise my hand!

Needless to say my wife wasn't happy and neither was my family(Hawaii was my home)...my aunt even said that she wanted to break my arms to keep me from doing something like that again!

My reasons for volunteering are my own, and I don't regret it, much!

To this day though...I don't volunteer for anything, and I mean anything!!!

Blues Heron

(5,938 posts)
15. the first Bushwa
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:06 AM
Jan 2019

What violence and waste that family has caused. We really went down the wrong path then and we're so far down along it now. Time to renounce violence and work together as one planet to save the ecosphere.

sarisataka

(18,667 posts)
16. I remember it quite well
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:22 AM
Jan 2019

I woke up the person to relive me on watch and he asked "What's that? A thunderstorm? " it had been a very rainy January in Saudi Arabia. I told him it wasn't a thunderstorm, just our bombs hitting Iraqi positions.

We did have a strong opinion when the 'solution ' to slant drilling was a full on invasion.

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