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TRUMP WAS 'AIDING AND ABETTING' RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE BY ALLEGEDLY ASKING HIS INTERPRETER TO CONCEAL NOTES, NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERT SAYS
BY JASON LEMON ON 1/13/19 AT 1:34 PM
CNN national security analyst Samantha Vinograd has suggested that President Donald Trump aided and abetted Russian intelligence by allegedly taking his interpreters notes from a 2017 meeting with Vladimir Putin, and also ordering the linguist not to discuss the talks with other members of his administration.
The Washington Post reported this weekend that Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with his Russian counterpart. U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trumps face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years, the newspaper reported.
Discussing the report on CNNs New Day program on Sunday morning, Vinograd, who served as a national security expert within the administration of Trumps predecessor Barack Obama, said special counsel Robert Mueller no doubt took notice of the report and could investigate further. She also pointed out that the presidents actions fell well outside of normal protocols.
There is a standard operating procedure for these meetings, Vinograd explained. I helped with some of these meetings after the fact. By failing to allow your team in the room, by failing to establish a firm record in line with existing U.S. law of what actually happened, you are ceding the narrative to Russian intelligence and Vladimir Putin without having any bit of evidence or a foundation of establishing a narrative on your own, she said.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-aiding-abetting-russian-intelligence-national-security-expert-1289491
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Trump is an agent of influence of a foreign power, and that's nothing new in statecraft.
As Lenin is alleged to have said, "The capitalists will sell us the rope with which to hang them."
Trump is nothing if not a capitalist.
Not especially successful at it, of course, absent fraud, influence-peddling, and grifting, but that's what he is ... he's certainly never been a patriot, public servant, entrepreneur, investor, or anything else remotely positive.
orangecrush
(19,581 posts)as the greatest intelligence operation ever launched.
What I don't get is how he was allowed to get this far before being umasked.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)So from that sense, I'd give the "credit" to the those who saw his weaknesses and acted upon that insight.
Trump knows what he's done, and for whom, and why, but alone, absent the involvement of a foreign power, he'd be a failed businessman. He would have gone under in the 1990s, without the foreign investments that kept him afloat and which, I suspect, are what compromised him in the first place.
Moral Compass
(1,523 posts)He was going down for the 3rd time and the Russians threw him a line.
On some level he could be forgiven for latching on to it. But when paying the debt off required him to run for President and betray the nation he seems to have done it without qualms.
He is a traitor and probably doesnt see whats wrong with what he has done.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Yep ... my opinion (and that's all it is) is that since he has never demonstrated any loyalty to the United States, he doesn't understand that engaging in treasonous behavior is actually a crime.
However, since ignorance of the law is no defense, I am increasingly convinced he will become sadder but wiser about that reality in the near future.
erronis
(15,306 posts)And are you sure that it is solely a "foreign power"? Are US interests involved, perhaps at a very large degree?
Is Murdoch a foreign power? Are the Mercers/Kochs controlled by foreign powers? Or is this a non-national power grab around the planet.
Lenin may have said that, but Shakespeare had lots of great words for dupes and traitors.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)I don't know for certain, but my point was that the Trump Organization's "business empire" was, pretty clearly, saved in the 1990s by foreign money, which came with - I'd expect - some pretty serious strings attached...
erronis
(15,306 posts)I still think that other wealthy vultures wanted to get their claws and craws into the dump.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)I'm sure you are correct...
But absent Trump, they're the same people who ran Romney and went down in flames, and Trump absent the foreign money and ehat that bought? He's at best a footnote from the early 1990s.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Apollyonus
(812 posts)RockRaven
(14,974 posts)The media has been framing this backwards from the beginning. Will they now finally correct this error in their story-telling process?
orangecrush
(19,581 posts)erronis
(15,306 posts)Dump and family being the bovine species being steered (driven).
I'm sure that the current incarnation of the USSR and the Bedouin rulers of the SA understand how to herd cattle. Reward, prod, etc. slaughter.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)This should never happen, this is not a kingdom, the orange buffoon is a servant of the people and the people need to know. Too much of this bullshit that so much information is top security, yes some of it has but there have to be people in the room who can help make assessments on the secrecy of information but, as I said, a president is a servant of the people, when he talks to other world leaders he is talking on our behalf.
A law must be passed that prohibits a president of the USA to conduct one-on-one meetings, there should always be people from congress or senate to serve as witnesses of the discussions.
What I have learned during this chaos is that the president has more power than many people thought, and in the hands of a corrupt person, like the orange buffoon, it is dangerous. I know some people may say damn if you do and damn if you don't, but the security of the country is first, damn if you don't can be catastrophic.
orangecrush
(19,581 posts)before he got this far, by the FBI or intelligence services, begs an answer.