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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 05:57 PM Jan 2019

Is There a Historical Precedent for Trump's Conspiring with the Russians?

First off, I am posting this to show that conspiring with the Russians to commit espionage is a capital offense. I believe that the Rosenberg's did not get a fair trial and that their punishment was excessive, in any case. However, it did occur. I also believe that there is a far stronger case against Trump than there was against the Rosenberg's. Even though the accusations of passing along nuclear secrets may have been more serious than those that Trump is accused of, his position as President of the United States means that he could hand over the government to an advisory, making weapons, of any kind, irrelevant.


<snip>Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, a married couple convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage in 1951, were put to death in the electric chair on June 19, 1953. Their dual execution marked the dramatic finale of the most controversial espionage case of the Cold War.

Julius was arrested in July 1950, and Ethel in August of that same year, on the charge of conspiracy to commit espionage. Specifically, they were accused of heading a spy ring that passed top-secret information concerning the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union.

The Rosenbergs vigorously protested their innocence, but after a brief trial in March 1951 they were convicted. On April 5, 1951, a judge sentenced them to death. The pair was taken to Sing Sing Prison in Ossining, New York, to await execution.
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Link:
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/julius-and-ethel-rosenberg-executed

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Is There a Historical Precedent for Trump's Conspiring with the Russians? (Original Post) louis c Jan 2019 OP
Nixon and North Vietnamese, Reagan and Iran. Both engaged w/ enemies to subvert US foreign policy RockRaven Jan 2019 #1
This. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #6
Yalta Conference? Turbineguy Jan 2019 #2
there certainly were more witnesses in the room at Yalta... louis c Jan 2019 #3
Thanks,everyone needs to refresh their memory Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #4
The Rosenbergs were not in the WH so NO, DURHAM D Jan 2019 #5
No comparison because Trump is worse? louis c Jan 2019 #7
The russians offered to help Adlai Stevenson in the 1960 presidential run. mitch96 Jan 2019 #8

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
1. Nixon and North Vietnamese, Reagan and Iran. Both engaged w/ enemies to subvert US foreign policy
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 06:02 PM
Jan 2019

like Trump did with Russia.

It's almost like Repukes can't win a fair presidential election...

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
3. there certainly were more witnesses in the room at Yalta...
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jan 2019

...than Trump has had with Putin meetings.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Thanks,everyone needs to refresh their memory
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jan 2019

as to this era. Do remember a civics class were each day we listened to radio broadcasts as well as use the Newspaper reports to discuss these topics. Sad to say,our Drunkin Senator was Tail Gunner Joe McCarty whom our teacher knew as a classmate in school.


Rosenberg's as well as other family members were tried and convicted under a recently past Law in 1948 which was specifically enacted to replace Wartime Treason Law in peace time. Do recall it to be named as Crimes against the USA law.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
7. No comparison because Trump is worse?
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 06:25 PM
Jan 2019

If you believe, as I do that Trump's transgressions are worse that the accusations against the Rosenberg's and that the evidence against Trump is stronger, than let's look at the punishment.

mitch96

(13,914 posts)
8. The russians offered to help Adlai Stevenson in the 1960 presidential run.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 07:30 PM
Jan 2019

He went RIGHT to Eisenhower and told him what they were up to.. Like tRump should have done.. .but didn't
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-adlai-stevenson-stopped-russian-interference-1960-election-180961681/

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