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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:14 PM Jan 2019

Saw Harris on Colbert and now I am rethinking my earlier Warren support...

not that I don't think extremely highly of Warren. I think she is sterling. But I think Harris really impresses me and others. Warren, sad to say and not her fault, has the "baggage" of the past. It's not really baggage, just history. Harris is like a fresh slate.

I will do some really heavy research, tho, before I make up my mind...

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Saw Harris on Colbert and now I am rethinking my earlier Warren support... (Original Post) CTyankee Jan 2019 OP
I'm not committing to anyone or excluding anyone. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #1
Lol, think you might change your mind over the next 660 days? Hortensis Jan 2019 #18
True, I will eventually start excluding and committing. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #19
Me too. Climate issues are finally becoming empowered Hortensis Jan 2019 #21
Agree. tavernier Jan 2019 #2
Give it time BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #3
True, there's a long road to the first Primary. OnDoutside Jan 2019 #34
Harris used to be for locking up parents of truant kids wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #38
I think Kamala is the future WhiteTara Jan 2019 #4
Excellent ticket suggestion! CTyankee Jan 2019 #7
She is impressive underpants Jan 2019 #5
I'm not committing to any candidate, yet, but I definitely find Harris tremendously impressive hlthe2b Jan 2019 #6
So do I, and for the same reasons you state. smirkymonkey Jan 2019 #24
OTOH, Warren has a Golden Retriever, so there is that. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2019 #8
Does Kamala have a dog? CTyankee Jan 2019 #12
Dunno....... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2019 #29
Only fact I know is married for first time marlakay Jan 2019 #35
We've got a while before we have to make any choices. I already made my list of... TreasonousBastard Jan 2019 #9
I would think after some debates and stumping that is when I'll figure out who I will support. I UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #10
At this point, I am far from choosing a candidate to support. Big Blue Marble Jan 2019 #11
People have more preconceived prejudices against Warren which are bullshit of course... CTyankee Jan 2019 #14
We know from past experience Big Blue Marble Jan 2019 #20
He would be scared to debate Kamela marlakay Jan 2019 #36
I tend to be suspicious of those who go right to Wall Street early in campaigns. nt Snotcicles Jan 2019 #13
I'm waiting to know if she still supports asset forfeiture before being charged with a crime. Autumn Jan 2019 #15
+1 Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #16
I like her a lot. ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #17
I support them both. Iggo Jan 2019 #22
Isn't that a great problem to have? Two fab candidates? I'm keeping my powder dry, Squinch Jan 2019 #23
Me too. Warren really strikes a note with me. Her message is plain, relatable, real. allgood33 Jan 2019 #25
Not being wishy-washy here at all, and agree 100% on the research. akraven Jan 2019 #26
It's way to early for me to give it any serious thought to candidates for 2020 YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #27
I like them both a lot, too. n/t pnwmom Jan 2019 #28
We should pick all our candidates based on how they do on tv talk shows! FSogol Jan 2019 #30
Kamala is more charismatic and positive AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #31
Both would have to get VP marlakay Jan 2019 #37
Her slate has Mnuchin on it. Eom roody Jan 2019 #32
Harris comes across as more warm than Warren BluegrassDem Jan 2019 #33
Yep. Kamala has command of her audience in a way that Warren does not... CTyankee Jan 2019 #39

aikoaiko

(34,174 posts)
1. I'm not committing to anyone or excluding anyone.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jan 2019

Warren and Harris are both good Democrats who know how to speak up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Lol, think you might change your mind over the next 660 days?
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jan 2019

Personally, I'll wait to see who survives the first primary debates and then get serious. I can just see myself trying to remember just which long-gone name I "committed to" back in 2019.

Right now, it's only OMG-NO!! rule-outs. A long list. I have little tolerance for people who hope to build their brand by crowding onto a candidate stage Republican style, and of course even less for the kind of anti-Democrat Democrats the GOP and Russia pump up.

aikoaiko

(34,174 posts)
19. True, I will eventually start excluding and committing.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jan 2019


I'm looking forwarding to seeing how some present themselves.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Me too. Climate issues are finally becoming empowered
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jan 2019

as more Americans become believers, and I'm looking forward to seeing that become a big issue for 2020. Until very recently even most Democratic voters would tune out when Democratic candidates tried to talk climate problems.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
38. Harris used to be for locking up parents of truant kids
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:16 PM
Jan 2019

I wish I were kidding:

A bill moving through California’s legislature would make truancy a criminal offense — for parents. As KPCC’s Julie Small reports, the law also includes more positive incentives for counties to help parents get their kids back in school.

If the bill becomes law, parents of chronically truant elementary school children could face a year in jail or a $2,000 fine.

"These children will invariably be what will end up in our criminal justice system," San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris testified.

Harris, who sponsored the legislation, told legislators that elementary school truants usually become high school dropouts – and face worse problems.


https://www.scpr.org/news/2010/04/26/14493/Truancy-penalty/

Maybe her thinking has evolved on the issue, but this chapter in her political career definitely gives me pause.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
4. I think Kamala is the future
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:21 PM
Jan 2019

and she has such great personal power. I think that she and Beto as her VP would be killer ticket. I just read twitter about election fraud in Tarrant County that stole the election for Cruz.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
7. Excellent ticket suggestion!
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jan 2019

If there is one Repuke I hate more than Drump it's Cruz. He is a creep personified...

underpants

(182,843 posts)
5. She is impressive
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jan 2019

Not dismissing her chances but she would be a fantastic pick for VP slot on a ticket - but I don't think California is much in doubt.

hlthe2b

(102,304 posts)
6. I'm not committing to any candidate, yet, but I definitely find Harris tremendously impressive
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jan 2019

and, I find her far more likely to be able to effectively counter Trump's ugly nonsense than most of the other candidates. She's got that no-nonsense prosecutorial persona that I find highly effective. Trump won't know how to deal with her, and, I'd predict would be intimidated.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. So do I, and for the same reasons you state.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jan 2019

I agree with Warren't politics and admire her for what she is doing in the senate, but her voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me and I can't see her taking Trump's blows gracefully. She's my senator and I voted for her. I will stand by her 100% if she is the Democratic nominee, but Harris is so much more impressive and charismatic.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
29. Dunno.......
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jan 2019

I only know about Warren because of recent photos.

totally understand melting hearts. My next life will be full of Goldens.

marlakay

(11,479 posts)
35. Only fact I know is married for first time
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 07:54 PM
Jan 2019

At 50, she’s 54 now and has two step kids one in high school and one in college.

She married another attorney.

What I like about that is attorneys especially district attorneys are tough and for this election your going to need balls of steel.

Warren is tough too in her own way.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. We've got a while before we have to make any choices. I already made my list of...
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

losers and winners, but it's my own-- not for publication or discussion, and can easily be changed.

Truth is, we've got a lot of good choices. Primaries should be interesting.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
10. I would think after some debates and stumping that is when I'll figure out who I will support. I
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jan 2019

will also wait until more people declare their intentions.

Please just remember this person must be able to go up against rump and beat his ass off.

Big Blue Marble

(5,097 posts)
11. At this point, I am far from choosing a candidate to support.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:26 PM
Jan 2019

Tell us why you were so impressed by Harris in comparison to Warren.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
14. People have more preconceived prejudices against Warren which are bullshit of course...
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:31 PM
Jan 2019

but Trump's stupid insults (e.g. Pocahontas) linger in folks memory. I'm sure he'll come up with something for Kamala, too, but she will be formidable. She is a former prosecutor and Warren a professor. I think Kamala's persona terrifies Trump, I really do. He'll try but fall flat, IMO.

Big Blue Marble

(5,097 posts)
20. We know from past experience
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jan 2019

that the Republicans will always attempt to "swift boat" our candidate regardless
of how "fresh" she/he is. They have been extremely good at messaging and driving that
message into consciousness of the body politic.

We need to select our candidate not from a defensive position, but from
a position of strength. This is no ordinary election.

Let us find the person who is best suited to retake the leadership of our
country at such a perilous time regardless of how the Republicans attempt
to define them. With each candidate, let us ask: Is that the one who is most
capable of restoring this democracy and our place in the world.

Autumn

(45,114 posts)
15. I'm waiting to know if she still supports asset forfeiture before being charged with a crime.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:35 PM
Jan 2019

So far that's the only hesitation I have.

ismnotwasm

(41,995 posts)
17. I like her a lot.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jan 2019

Like others I haven’t made up my mind. And it’s very early.

I see a lot of bro pushback on her, misleading claims etc. that makes me think she may end up being a front runner.

Squinch

(50,957 posts)
23. Isn't that a great problem to have? Two fab candidates? I'm keeping my powder dry,
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jan 2019

but I suspect I will be very happy with whomever we choose.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
25. Me too. Warren really strikes a note with me. Her message is plain, relatable, real.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:34 PM
Jan 2019

Harris is great too. So many good possibilities.

akraven

(1,975 posts)
26. Not being wishy-washy here at all, and agree 100% on the research.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jan 2019

That's what I make up my mind about. I like them both, but don't know enough yet.

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
30. We should pick all our candidates based on how they do on tv talk shows!
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 05:21 PM
Jan 2019

Kidding aside, I like Harris too, but let's look at proposed plans, the ability to achieve proposed plans, and the ability to push the country left. Let's watch what they say, what other leaders support them, and what kind of traction their campaign gains.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
31. Kamala is more charismatic and positive
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jan 2019

and her experience as prosecutor is very handy right now. I am not sure how knowledgble she is about economy though. I’d be curious to see her platform. Warren is definately very strong on economy.

marlakay

(11,479 posts)
37. Both would have to get VP
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jan 2019

To pull up what they lack but i sure trust Kamela with no economic experience over trump. Heck i could budget better, i used to be a bookkeeper.

 

BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)
33. Harris comes across as more warm than Warren
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 06:41 PM
Jan 2019

Warren has that professor still in her blood and sometimes it feels like a college lecture when she is speaking at times. Harris comes off as more natural and warm.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
39. Yep. Kamala has command of her audience in a way that Warren does not...
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:18 PM
Jan 2019

which is not Warren's fault. It is simply a style issue. I love and treasure Sen. Warren!

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