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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes mueller have proof Tump gave away secrets to Russia? That could be treason.
I have said from the beginning Mueller is going to shock the American people. I don't know what Mueller has on Trump, but I know it's going to be big.
No one knows what Mueller has and he has a lot.
triron
(22,007 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)He can declassify anything for any reason?
The office presupposes a rational person with American interests first...putting someone like Trump in there literally breaks the presidency.
brooklynite
(94,624 posts)shockey80
(4,379 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are anything but. You must have noticed that nothing is a fraction as simple as it first appears.
Btw, we KNOW that Trump gave classified information to Russia. Israel had a major and righteous hissy over one incident. There have to have been others.
I will also be extremely surprised, Shockey, if we or one or more of our allies did not have records of some communications between Trump and the Kremlin/Putin. including one or more of their five unrecorded (by Trump) personal meetings. The person on one side is incredibly clueless about security, and the people on the other are happy to help him eventually destroy himself as long as it hurts and supposedly humiliates us in the process.
We'll see.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)brooklynite
(94,624 posts)...you need to point to a Statute that the President isn't immune from by virtue of his position as President.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)From what you and some others are saying - sure seems as if he would be once elected.
Pretty darn near untouchable.
He can choose to divulge anything to anyone, even if he's the target of a counterintelligence investigation under suspicion of working with a foreign enemy.
TSheehan
(277 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)public...this has to be laying the groundwork for some explosive shit.
Nictuku
(3,616 posts)President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trumps disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trumps decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trumps meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.7cab36f4de98
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Afterwards, we know he did, though as President it wasn't illegal.
If before, it could maybe be treason, but an espionage charge of some sort might be more likely in that case. There's an extremely large range of charges for something like that depending on the details.
tblue37
(65,423 posts)Cicada
(4,533 posts)Mr Rosenberg gave away atomic bomb plans but he could not be tried for treason. Trump can favor Russia over US but its not treason. The only effective way to end Trumps hold on us is to vote him out of office. Trump nuts will have no reason to riot or rebel if he just loses the election. That is the best way to get rid of him. And the only practical way also.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Trion, By your theory Rosenberg was guilty of treason, right? Giving nuke bomb design secrets to the USSR? If your theory is correct why wasnt he charged?
Quixote1818
(28,949 posts)Response to Cicada (Reply #15)
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ooky
(8,924 posts)pretty sure they will be awful.
I think he would be prosecuted for espionage. He could be charged with it as part of the impeachment process, or arrested for it once he leaves office. And if there is a dem president he won't be able to hide behind a pardon. In fact, espionage is starting to look like a real possibility now. To me anyway.
triron
(22,007 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)this is espionage
treason is during a declared war
we have killed spies during the cold war
if he was giving secret classified information to Russia he is a spy and could be executed
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)That's why he has spent the past 2 years politicizing every comment, every issue, every tweet. It's his only hope of survival. "This is a Democratic witch hunt". "This is retribution for Crooked Hillary". "This is sour grapes because you lost".
On the merits, there will be no doubt. This man committed and continues to commit espionage. He has also undoubtedly laundered money, racketeered, perjured himself, filed false tax returns, obstructed and any number of other ancillary crimes. But the big one, the one Mueller has been entrusted with investigating, is this collusion matter, conspiracy to defraud the US electoral system, and much of this took place PRIOR to his swearing in. At that time, he was a private citizen and lacked all the protections afforded the President. For these crimes he should be indicted and tried.
He can shift the sands and pretend this is political, but it isn't. It's only political because Republicans in Congress refused to do their jobs and provide oversight. They made it political. I'd like to think if a Democrat was in the Oval Office and could rightly be accused of treason or espionage, we would hasten his or her departure. It's the American way. But it's not the Republican way.