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Quixote1818

(28,950 posts)
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:56 PM Jan 2019

Does the FBI leak things like Trump being investigated for being a Russian asset so the public can

digest it and come to terms with it over time and be ready for the news once it breaks? If they flat out broke it out of nowhere, seems like it could be a shock to the public and hard for many to believe. Not hard for me to believe but for someone not so tuned into how fucking corrupt he is.

Someone must understand why it is done this way?

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Does the FBI leak things like Trump being investigated for being a Russian asset so the public can (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jan 2019 OP
Mueller allowed leak to prepare the way benld74 Jan 2019 #1
I don't think so. klook Jan 2019 #26
Could be someone that received a $0.00 check on Friday. Renew Deal Jan 2019 #32
Yes. This seems like an FBI/DOJ leak sharedvalues Jan 2019 #33
this is so freaking scary. It just feels normalized when I hear it on the news if it's not mucifer Jan 2019 #2
If they know that. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #3
It's classified info and the subject of a sensitive investigation marylandblue Jan 2019 #7
They would have to act immediately if they had proof. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #13
It's reason not to blow a sensitive investigation and spend the rest of your life in jail marylandblue Jan 2019 #16
He would act if he had proof that Trump is a direct asset. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #20
Our system doesn't have a better way of handling this. marylandblue Jan 2019 #27
I agree. You can't sit on hard evidence like that, even if you have to leak Hoyt Jan 2019 #29
Mueller taking aim bgramer Jan 2019 #21
Sounds reasonable to me. triron Jan 2019 #23
It takes some serious guts to aim at the king. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2019 #24
The narrative here is that there is proof. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #25
Bingo! peggysue2 Jan 2019 #30
Maybe he has to make it crystal clear, and can't just yet. luvallpeeps Jan 2019 #34
... Ellipsis Jan 2019 #4
It's been a long time since I saw that movie Quixote1818 Jan 2019 #18
I think they are trying to tell House Democrats what to look for. nt marylandblue Jan 2019 #5
They want him to resign so the country can heal and not be torn apart. Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #6
Schmitt (NYT) said they'd been working on the article for a long time, elleng Jan 2019 #8
Not one simple leak, but a series of leaks and disclosures from more than just the FBI. brush Jan 2019 #12
Also, didn't he say that when they originally came across this information... blogslut Jan 2019 #40
Mebbe; I don't recall, but sounds reasonable. elleng Jan 2019 #42
This is my sense of things, as well Taraman Jan 2019 #9
I have noticed the pundits discussing those rules more of late. luvallpeeps Jan 2019 #35
The only people that might be shocked dflprincess Jan 2019 #10
if they voted for him after that campaign, then they're either luvallpeeps Jan 2019 #36
I took a US Intel course and leaks are performed as a last resort, when all normal safeguards fail. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #11
I think the question is who makes those decisions. Ellipsis Jan 2019 #15
There are multiple levels of command and checks in place, if they fail any one could leak if needed. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #17
I think we are not supposed to know that. marylandblue Jan 2019 #19
It's spooky. Ellipsis Jan 2019 #22
I think the FBI leaked this story so Trump knows that every breath he's taken, every move he's made, KCDebbie Jan 2019 #14
Heh - nobody escapes The Police! (nt) klook Jan 2019 #28
They'll catch him in a sting operation (nt) Pluvious Jan 2019 #43
. klook Jan 2019 #44
We'll probably never know luvallpeeps Jan 2019 #31
It's for the House to set up a bi-partisan committee Lock him up. Jan 2019 #37
The NY office leaked ani-Hillary stuff throughout the 2016 campaign. RandySF Jan 2019 #38
+1, This should of been investigated and people publicly fired and embarrassed uponit7771 Jan 2019 #46
Comey admitted he leaks so no doubt there are other leakers AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #39
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2019 #45
perhaps it is in reaction to the shutdown. mopinko Jan 2019 #41
Maybe something was mentioned in the grand jury investigations? Talitha Jan 2019 #47

klook

(12,159 posts)
26. I don't think so.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:47 AM
Jan 2019

Mueller is known for running the tightest ship in the business. I wouldn’t count on any leaks coming from his team.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
33. Yes. This seems like an FBI/DOJ leak
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:09 AM
Jan 2019

McCabe or Ohr or a dozen other DOJ/FBI officials could have told the NYT this.
Probably not Mueller.


Mueller will however use the drip drip strategy with indictments as he has so far.

mucifer

(23,555 posts)
2. this is so freaking scary. It just feels normalized when I hear it on the news if it's not
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:00 AM
Jan 2019

msnbc or cnn.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
3. If they know that.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:02 AM
Jan 2019

It would be unacceptable for them to not go public immediately. Complicit is another word.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
7. It's classified info and the subject of a sensitive investigation
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:12 AM
Jan 2019

So they can't just put it all out there. And it's complicated. Mueller has been carefully gathering all the evidence for the big reveal when the conclusion will be unescapable.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
13. They would have to act immediately if they had proof.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jan 2019

The classification is insignificant. To allow him to continue making decisions that impact the US and other countries, while knowing he is a foreign asset, is unacceptable. So many things we know over the last couple of decades are wrought with classified information we don’t get to see, yet we still know thae narratives. Information being classified isn’t a reason to allow the President to continue operating if he is a direct Russian asset.

Large amounts of information connecting to 9/11 is classified, yet we get what happened.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
16. It's reason not to blow a sensitive investigation and spend the rest of your life in jail
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:31 AM
Jan 2019

They put Mueller in charge of this and he has clearly decided that nothing will be revealed until he has all his ducks in a row, then he will probably take everyone down at one time.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
20. He would act if he had proof that Trump is a direct asset.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:37 AM
Jan 2019

I see no way he couldn’t. Mueller would be every bit of the problem if he was holding proof that Trump is a direct Russian asset. You don’t wait on something like that.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
27. Our system doesn't have a better way of handling this.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:48 AM
Jan 2019

Look at what happened to McCabe and Strzok. They became subjects of investigation and targets for right wing propaganda. Mueller has been the subject of attacks himself, but he is so by the book, they have had not worked. The book says that grand jury investigations are secret, you gather all the facts before coming to a conclusion, and only when have all the facts do you indict or report. A single mistake could jeopardize the whole thing.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. I agree. You can't sit on hard evidence like that, even if you have to leak
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:50 AM
Jan 2019

it to an influential Democrat or media to get it out.

Truthfully, there’s enough evidence that a preliminary report should have been issued by before the midterms.

bgramer

(9 posts)
21. Mueller taking aim
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:37 AM
Jan 2019

Have you heard the expression “if you take aim at the king, you best not miss”...?

Mueller is making sure he doesn’t miss!

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
25. The narrative here is that there is proof.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:42 AM
Jan 2019

That is much different than connecting dots and tidying everything up.

I believe Mueller is going to uncover just about everything in all of this. I also believe he wouldn’t be sitting on proof that the President is a direct Russian asset. You don’t sit on something like that and leak stories so the public will be a bit less shocked.

peggysue2

(10,836 posts)
30. Bingo!
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:56 AM
Jan 2019

That and the network is large, complicated. Taking time to create the narrative that the public can absorb while providing evidence that is linked six ways to Sunday.

But making absolutely sure you have the kill shot is #1, critical, the 'if you take aim at the king (or kingpins), you dare not miss' rule.

Because there will be no do-overs.

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
34. Maybe he has to make it crystal clear, and can't just yet.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:16 AM
Jan 2019

Since we don't know all the facts, and probably never will, we have to assume they're doing things a certain way in order to either catch the most criminals, or prevent the most damage? What's the difference between being a direct asset as opposed to just being blackmailed? Is it the same?

Quixote1818

(28,950 posts)
18. It's been a long time since I saw that movie
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:36 AM
Jan 2019

Wasn't the entire thing a dream sequence of the blond girl wishing she could be the famous one? So the cowboy was part of her dream. One might interpret her visions as seeing Hollywood directors as having a narrow vision of who has talent and who doesn't and not seeing how talented she is. And so the cowboy was basically her made up guardian of her own reality?

Again, it has been so long I really can't remember enough about it.

Freethinker65

(10,026 posts)
6. They want him to resign so the country can heal and not be torn apart.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:11 AM
Jan 2019

Our entire system of government has already been damaged.

Thing is, Trump does not care if he destroys the country. He never cared about it or anyone but himself.

elleng

(131,006 posts)
8. Schmitt (NYT) said they'd been working on the article for a long time,
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:12 AM
Jan 2019

over a year as I recall; heard last night on MSNBC. This wasn't a simple FBI 'leak.'

blogslut

(38,004 posts)
40. Also, didn't he say that when they originally came across this information...
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 05:04 AM
Jan 2019

the FBI told them to wait before publishing it?

I believe I heard that. I could be wrong.

Taraman

(373 posts)
9. This is my sense of things, as well
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:13 AM
Jan 2019

Over the next 6-8 weeks, there will be news drops. The fact that a U.S. President has been working with a foreign adversary, one that put him in power, will be very, very shocking.

I'm shocked, and appalled.

I'm also 50/50 on whether Trump and his Family will be indicted, contrary to DOJ rules.

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
35. I have noticed the pundits discussing those rules more of late.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:18 AM
Jan 2019

The ones regarding the President being protected from being indicted. Since the Ds took the house anyway.

dflprincess

(28,080 posts)
10. The only people that might be shocked
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:13 AM
Jan 2019

Are the Trump cult. And judging from their reaction to the current revelation all they will do is put their fingers in their ears and yell "Fake news '.

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
36. if they voted for him after that campaign, then they're either
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:23 AM
Jan 2019

mean-spirited, scared fox watching bigots, or just morons. They may be unsalvageable. A wall? Seriously? I still can't get my head around this whole thing.

 

KCDebbie

(664 posts)
14. I think the FBI leaked this story so Trump knows that every breath he's taken, every move he's made,
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:29 AM
Jan 2019

every smile he's faked, the FBI has been watching his Orange ass...

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
31. We'll probably never know
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:06 AM
Jan 2019

But this is a clusterfuck of epic proportions, and we've lived through some epics. This is unprecedented, and I've really felt like we've been shanked ever since trumplethinskin invited the Turk, Russian and who knows who else into the oval office without informing our press. (we found out from RT) How many confound clues do we need fer fucks sake? The ones that haven't got it by now ain't ever gonna get it. Fuck em

Lock him up.

(6,935 posts)
37. It's for the House to set up a bi-partisan committee
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:48 AM
Jan 2019

which it has done today to inquire the whole thing.

Another brick in the wall... around the betrayer$.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
39. Comey admitted he leaks so no doubt there are other leakers
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:27 AM
Jan 2019

lile there were in watergate. The public is well prepared for this news except the base of course.

Talitha

(6,598 posts)
47. Maybe something was mentioned in the grand jury investigations?
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jan 2019

IIRC, the jurors are sworn to secrecy - but the witnesses can speak freely.
Just a thought....

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