Could Congress vote to override Trump's veto on the shutdown?

[Yavin4]

If yes, then the real problem is McConnell not Trump.

--Edited the title.

[madamesilverspurs]

1. It's ALL on McConnell.

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[Hugin]

2. Yes, at this point the continuation of the shutdown is all McConnell's doing. n/t

[onenote]

3. They could try. But I doubt they'd succeed.

You'd need to peel away 14 Republican Senators and 55 House Republicans. I can't envision a scenario where that happens.

[NewJeffCT]

6. It depends on the situation

the senate voted 100-0 before when they thought Trump would soon.

[onenote]

11. The voice vote by the Senate was when the Repubs thought Trump was on board

Once he changed his position, that previous vote became irrelevant. Senators who cast a voice vote for that December 19 short term funding bill did so thinking they were covered with their base because Trump was okay with it. But with Trump opposed, they aren't going to go against him.

Plus, the bill that the Senate passed on December 19 was only a short term (7 week) stopgap measure for all of the departments whose funding was running out. The bills the House has been passing would fund those departments (except for DHS) through September -- so they can say its a substantively different measure.

Finally, even if the votes could be found in the Senate to override a veto (and I can't see that happening), the House didn't vote for that clean stopgap -- they added the wall funding. So there is even less chance of picking up 55 Republicans in an override scenario.

Put another way, there is virtually no circumstance where both the Senate and House would override Trump on funding without anything for the wall.

[Wounded Bear]

7. 22 Repub senators are up for re-election in 2020...

about half of them in purple/Clinton states IIRC. The House, being closer to the electorate, will probably swing, too.

The one thing that moves those assholes is their re-election status. When polls start swinging, they'll start peeling away from McConnell and Trump.

[onenote]

12. If you don't think there are more than 55 House Republicans in totally safe gerrymandered seats

you haven't been paying attention to how elections in this country are unfair and unbalanced.

[haele]

9. When the constituants start camping out at their offices, they will start caring

There's a certain point, and I'm sure the Democrats are telling them about it, that their constituents will not accept. And that is when it hits their pocketbook.

There's a reason why there were earmarks and why there continues to be "pork", no matter what those deluded Tea Party types try to hype. So long as the Government functioned enough for people to get basic support along with jobs in economically depressed areas, it was okay to pitch a fit about "those people" taking tax dollars and talk about Starving the Beast. And most of the great "Thinkers" of the Conservative movement live in big cities or prosperous states where there's a relatively strong safety net and lots of flow of money.
But most of the rank and file Conservative Libertarians live in taker states or more rural areas. They're not going to stand for the programs that allow them to survive and remain in an angry, delusional state to just go away so they actually do have to try and make it on their own.

I suspect most of the GOP has forgotten what it's like for their base while partying it up in DC with lobbyists and media luminaries.

Haele

[nycbos]

4. If they get 290 in the house and 67 in the Senate.

[Buckeyeblue]

5. At least then you have on record the repugs responsible for the continued shutdown

[Caliman73]

8. Congress has the constitutional ability, but it is unlikely.

To override a veto you need 2/3rds of both Houses of Congress. As another poster pointed out, the is 290 House Reps and 67 Senators. Democrats have the House at 235 members to 199 for Republicans. They would need to get 55 Republicans to join them. The Senate is 53 Republicans to 47 in the Democratic Caucus (2 independents + 45 Democrats). Democrats would have to get McConnell and 19 other Republicans to go along.

The problem is Trump and the GOP, but mainly Trump.

[ScratchCat]

10. It has become very obvious at this point

that somebody is holding something over McConnell's head. The irrational position Trump has taken - which is not supported by the rank and file GOP - should be an "easy out" for the Republicans. There is no legitimate political reason for them to, at this point, continue to follow Trump down this path. That is because most have a political future. That is, unless there is something be held over them that would end that political future. It can't just be "tribal politics" at this point. Shutting down the government over this is irrational, way beyond crazy land.

[onenote]

13. Do you have support for the claim that "rank and file" repubs don't support Trump on this?

Who do you think "rank and file" repubs are?

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Anyone seeing my posts

I have been saying this. Right at this minute, the obstruction is Turtle's.

Until a bill actually gets passed by both chambers and heads to the President's desk to either be 1) signed or 2) vetoed or 3) left to sit for 10 days, after which it would automatically make it law, then its all on Turtle.

If it is vetoed and they can't override, then that is another issue.

Apparently what Democrats are doing is not allowing the chamber to get to cloture (60 votes to proceed) on any OTHER bills until they vote on the government shutdown legislation.

Duluth Trading Company had an image of Turtle's predicament -