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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. Darn, I am going to have to learn how to drink vodka.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:03 PM
Jan 2019

The interesting thing here is that we have our share of deplorables, but a good percentage of those people are true patriots, DeSantis won't be allowed to betray us.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
2. trump and the republicans in Congress
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:35 AM
Jan 2019

Are in a fast moving spiral downward , and they didn't learn anything from the Mid Terms its looking like. 2020 is going to be much , much worse for them after this now. trump has zero chance of running, especially with a Senate taken back by the Democrats.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
4. Putin has been laying down snares throughout
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jan 2019

our political and financial systems from the day he took the reins in Russia. This didn’t just happen in the past few years.

We won the Cold War — or so we thought. We let our guard down. We destroyed the USSR and, with it, replaced communism with budding democracy. But there was still Russia and Putin.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
6. Trump Lawyer Kasowitz Defends Russian Gov Sberbank; Sberbank Was To Fund Trump Tower Moscow
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:51 PM
Jan 2019
Trump Lawyer Kasowitz Defends Russian Gov Sberbank; Sberbank Was To Fund Trump Tower Moscow

Trump’s longtime lawyer Marc Kasowitz is representing Russian Govt owned Sberbank against accusations of corporate raiding, even as he represents Trump in the Russiagate case. Apparently, Sberbank agreed to fund an Agalarov project which might include a Trump Tower in Moscow. Sberbank is also a major owner of KAMAZ, which is a long-time partner to Cummins where US VP Pence’s brother is also VP.

Yesterday the New York Times reported re the Agalarovs of Trump, Jr. email infamy:m ”The elder Mr. Agalarov had been talking with Mr. Trump about building a Trump Tower in Moscow as part of a $3 billion real estate project involving hotels, a shopping center and office space.

Sberbank was ready to make it happen…..”
Read “A Russian Developer Helps Out the Kremlin on Occasion. Was He a Conduit to Trump?” By NEIL MacFARQUHARJULY 16, 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/16/world/europe/aras-agalarov-trump-kremlin.html
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KAMAZ is a longtime partner of Cummins where US VP Pence’s brother is a VP. KAMAZ is part of Rostec State Corporation, one of a handful of Russian companies which are directly owned by the Russian Federation and who answer more directly to Putin than some Russian state owned entities.
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Currently the Russian government owns 73.4% of KAMAZ via Rostec at 49.9%, 51% Russian government owned Sberbank - Mining Awareness


Oh yes, Mike Pence, the former governor of Indiana, headquarters of Cummins Diesel whose VP up until 12/8/17 was Ed Pence, Vice President Mike Pence's brother.



 

Fuzzpope

(602 posts)
10. Holy shit
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jan 2019

There's the Pense linchpin I could never figure out,why Manafort chose to push Pense onto Trump.

Big puzzle piece falls into place.

This is a gigantic fucking conspiracy, good lord.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
7. Yeah... isn't it amazing how DeSantis became such a rising star so quickly?
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jan 2019

Instantly elected to US House of Representatives without any government experience and now governor of Florida? Manchurian candidate? or should I say, Moscow candidate?

debsy

(530 posts)
9. I'll be - yet again - called a conspiracy theorist
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jan 2019

Yet, Occam's Razor allows me to draw this conclusion: The Russians have been cultivating assets across the country for decades, working with the global elite (Koch bros, Adelson, Davos/Prince, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etc) to get a stranglehold on our federal, state, and - dare I say - local governments, and we are seeing their labor come to fruition. This is how Vlad and the Saudis have maintained their power and they are propping up puppet governments around the globe using cyber warfare and strategically placed assets. Brexit, Turkey, Brazil, Hungary, Israel (Netanyahu is a criminal too). I'm sure there are more that I have missed...

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