Is this it? The big one? The fulcrum of Democrats and reason and decency vs trump/repubs?

[NRaleighLiberal]

As many have said, this really isn't about the wall. Look at the magnitude of the lies being spun (thousands of dangerous people vs the reality of essentially none).

This is about him deciding he wants something and is demanding it - because who could dare refusing him something he wants (apparently in his life no one has ever stood up to him...not really).

I keep reading in the news ways the Dems should or could throw him a small carrot - something symbolic, something he can spin to show he can win this (or at least spin another lie for his base).

My feeling is that if he wants this to be his Bunker Hill, his Gettysburg, his Alamo - let it be this issue that breaks him and repubs. Democrats should not - can not - give a centimeter, not give him one penny.

As a lifelong Democrat, I am really tired of being the party that bends, gives in, does the decent thing, apologizes for the dirty words or the dancing. This is a fight - the stakes are enormous for our future, in my view....it's time to dig in and not give an atom to this terrorist, this hostage taker, of a so-called "president".

[uppityperson]

1. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. can you sense that I've had enough?

[uppityperson]

4. Yes, my mild mannered friend. Time to say no to the wannabe dictator.

[Roy Rolling]

24. Believe Him

When he says he'd make a great general, believe him. Like Custer was a great general, maybe this is Trump's Last Stand?

[Dave in VA]

3. Thank you

for posting what I've been thinking. Hope that they have the will power to make it happen.

[Takket]

5. Well said

This is so not about the wall because he had two years with both houses. He’s engineering this entire mess for his own racist ego.

It really feels a line in the sand has been drawn and something socially huge is happening. A basic battle of right versus wrong for the soul of our country. We need to be victorious.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. Yes. Let's take his supporters and his ego out. Is there

Any other nefarious reason to be pushing so hard ?

[OregonBlue]

28. You notice he got rid of all the military people in the administration that might have opposed him.

[hatrack]

6. " . . . Bunker Hill, his Gettysburg, his Alamo . . . "

Sure, as long as he plays the parts of the British, the Confederates and the Texans, respectively.

[NRaleighLiberal]

7. indeed!

[Generic Brad]

18. It's more like his Titanic

[jberryhill]

27. Unless he's the iceberg, which "won" that contest

[dalton99a]

8. Agreed. This is about bullying and bending Democrats to his will.

[orangecrush]

9. I AM SPARTACUS!

[watoos]

10. I haven't heard any Democrats,

talking about giving 1 dollar for his fucking wall.

[littlemissmartypants]

11. I'm quoting Lenny Kravitz tonight.

"It's enough."

F the carrot.

We all know tomatoes are better anyway.


Let him plant his own garden, show him the worms. Tell him they're protein or fried chicken. Time's up.

[Hamlette]

12. I hate to tell you this but Nancy Pelosi already caved and promised to give Trump money

she promised one dollar.

I'm fine with this "centimeter".

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Amen ! Perfectly stated!

[lancelyons]

14. I would get things we want in exchange.

I don’t really care about the wall but perhaps we could get something in exchange.

Protection for dreamers
Illimenation of child snatching at border
Reaffirming asylum laws
Renter Paris climate deal.

I’m sure the dems are already aware.

[displacedtexan]

31. No. Wall. Ever.

That is all.

[Whiskeytide]

16. You don't negotiate with a terrorist. n/t

[James48]

17. I am a furloughed Federal employee.

And all I can say is- this guy is NUTS!

Hold out ONE DAY LONGER. I’m happy to eat beans and rice for as long as it takes. WE ALL have to stand up to this bully who is intentionally damaging our government.

Stand Together against fascism, against his lunacy. Stay strong.

I am Spartacus!

[herding cats]

21. I'm deeply sorry you're furloughed due to this mess.

I don't want you to be suffering, but I don't want to give into this hostage situation since I know it'll just escalate from there. This is one of those moments where my tender heart is in conflict with my my thinking brain. Still, I'm sorry for your unnecessary current hardship and I just wanted you to know.

You have a great attitude in all this. I appreciate that!

[Power 2 the People]

19. +1000

[SunSeeker]

20. We will not appease evil.

[Fuzzpope]

22. This is as good a hill to die upon as any.

[stopwastingmymoney]

32. What/where is that?

[herding cats]

23. I'm watching Trump changing his rhetoric daily, while Dems keep saying "no Wall" and feel emboldend.

Time will tell, but right now this is looking good for us and bad for Republicans. I'm not overly worried tomorrow night will change that, which is what the Republicans are hoping will be the case.

We'll know by Friday I expect when he returns from his trip to the border. If their polling shows tomorrow went well for them then I expect we'll have his emergency declaration. This is all insanity, and on a personal level, I'm completely over all of it, too!

[AlexSFCA]

25. one more day

he will declare national emergency and secure military money to start building the wall and reopen the government.

[applegrove]

26. In his mind he is planning on reviving the American steele industry by building

a steele slated wall no less. He's transactional like that.

[smb]

29. Throw Him A Small Carrot? Why? To Go With His Small Mushroom? nt

[tblue37]

30. When the hostage taker doesn't care at all about the hostage, the rescuers are put

in a truly awful position.