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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:28 PM Jan 2019

Tell me again that Trump doesn't remind you of Hitler

As Donald Trump threatens to announce a state of emergency in the United States in order to construct a wall that he can't fund through normal, constitutional legislative means, let's see if anything in history resembles this action in a constitutional democracy. Wait until this pretend President* realizes that declaring a national emergency gives him far more power than just building the wall. Does anyone here think he won't use that power? Just wait. This is far worse than you think.

<snip>The Enabling Act (German: Ermächtigungsgesetz of 1933, formally titled Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich" ,[1] was an amendment to the Weimar Constitution[citation needed] that gave the German Cabinet — in effect, Chancellor Adolf Hitler — the power to enact laws without the involvement of the Reichstag. The Enabling Act gave Hitler plenary powers and followed on the heels of the Reichstag Fire Decree, which had abolished most civil liberties and transferred state powers to the Reich government. The combined effect of the two laws was to transform Hitler's government into a legal dictatorship.<snip>


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

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Tell me again that Trump doesn't remind you of Hitler (Original Post) louis c Jan 2019 OP
You know once Trump declared a National Emergency it would never be rescinded. sarcasmo Jan 2019 #1
Hitler had much better hair. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2
He doesn't need a Constitutional Amendment louis c Jan 2019 #3
I understand your premise. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #4
that's all speculation louis c Jan 2019 #5
K louis c Jan 2019 #6
Nope.... Mussolini whistler162 Jan 2019 #7
Wow, you are right. Everyone should read all of your link. Blue_true Jan 2019 #9
Hitler volunteered for the army Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #8

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Hitler had much better hair.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:33 PM
Jan 2019

Trump is a fascist, but the road to such a Constitutional Amendment here would be far harder.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
3. He doesn't need a Constitutional Amendment
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jan 2019

Laws have already been enacted to give the president that power. They were passed during WWII or after 9/11 with the assumption that no president would abuse them.

Look at the tariffs. Normally, a president can't enact tariffs unless they are also approved by Congress, unless national security is at stake. Trump declared that Canada posed a national security risk, as well as our allies in Europe who make up NATO. No one has challenged that assertion. It's absurd, on the face of it.

There are many laws in place to protect this country in case of a real emergency, like a dirty bomb goes off in a populated area in America, or that a real adversary threatens our security. But, just as we would not let a child of 8 years old drive an automobile, Trump is taking real laws that were established with the common sense that no one would abuse them. We see we were wrong. The 8 year old can not have access to the keys.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. I understand your premise.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jan 2019

And I agree that the GOP has done nothing to demonstrate that they are willing to stand up to Trump.

But if Trump's actions endanger profits, and they are beginning to do so, the GOP will feel pressure from their contributors to move.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
5. that's all speculation
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:08 PM
Jan 2019

Here's what we know. Trump didn't even know how to use the pardon power, until it was explained to him. Trump by-passed all the justice department norms to pardon arbitrarily. When he found out that he could unilaterally bar people from traveling to this country, he did it as quickly as he could. then, there are the tariffs, as I've explained. No, these emergency powers, which give him enormous authority in matters over and above the construction of a wall, are going to be far more problematic than anyone can imagine.

thank God there is at least a Democratic congress to expose Trump's excesses. This is going to an overreach by Trump, and I think it will signal the beginning of the end.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. Wow, you are right. Everyone should read all of your link.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 10:08 PM
Jan 2019

The similarities between what is going on with Trump and what happened with Mussolini are astounding, right down to political leaders that did nothing early on and a Pope that called him a literal apostle.

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